Graham Potter Thread

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[Mhsc 877]

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Edited January 9, 2023 by Mhsc
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[Fernando 6,465]

43 minutes ago, TheHulk said:

Might be the first time we back a manager. 

Just bench those that don't want to follow and go with the youth! 

[Vegetable 830]

20 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Might be the first time we back a manager. 

Just bench those that don't want to follow and go with the youth! 

We certainly do have some attitude problem in the dressing room, but on the other hand… There's a comedic imbalance there.

People can bash our players all they want, but a lot of people in this group have all the silverware in existence in their cabinets. They can be professional and civil enough not to revolt against Potter from the get go, but it's hard to convince those players to follow someone who is pretty much random Joe from their perspective. To make things worse, Potter, contrary to what he claims, doesn't really have anything to back himself with and so far isn't really looking like some tv wonderkid genius, who is defeating the system. He just seems painfully out of his place there.

This is exactly the situation why big corporations are becoming toxic workplaces and talented people are performing way below their means. It was a very faithful/naive and bold move from TB, but I don't really see a possibility that some productive fire will start here.

And I really doubt that throwing our heritage to the gutter and starting the team from scratch with youth and potential relegation battle helps. Yeah, we will spend years to become Brighton level and then what? We have to step up anyway, so it's pretty much long way to the point we are in now anyway. We, are on the level one should only move forward, not backwards.    

[Laylabelle 9,359]

20 hours ago, Magic Lamps said:

Ppl are talking about Arteta if he was the 2nd coming of Beckenbauer.

But as of yet, Arsenal have not won anything this season and still have a ton of tough features ahead with a paper thin squad. If they fk this up, ppl will be talking of how naive they were to go into such a hectic season without any depth.

 

True but even if dont win he has them playing bloody well and it's something they can build on really. It isn't sideways and hope for the best unfortunately its aim for goal and apart from the odd game score win job done..

[Bren 41]

3 hours ago, Vegetable said:

but a lot of people in this group have all the silverware in existence in their cabinets

They absolutely do. However, several of them also have the heads of a lot of managers; title winning managers. They keep doing this. The culture at the club (and new players seem immediately infected with it) is as soon as the manager does something they don't like, they just down tools and he'll be gone in weeks. It's got to stop.

[Antonio8 736]

15 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Hes not the problem but he hasn't got any sort of huge response or improvement in a high bulk of the players… and its not like we have 23-25 shite players.

He had Brighton doing better with an inferior squad (or did Brighton actually boost his reputation and profile as a manager? Lets not forget the infrastructure and how they are run - there aren’t many better run in the PL) but whys it not translating to higher calibre of players? Is he out of depth? Have managers carried this squad? Some poor players? Are rhe players not having him? A bit of everything?

Simon Jordan summed it up correctly today on TalkSport when discussing it “there is language that Potter is using, which isn’t the language of an elite manager at times that does look like he’s a little bit caught in the headlights”. He is caught in the headlights - clearly - or he wouldn’t be popping off at the media and looking extremely under pressure.

I think how he comes across in the media is likely how he is with the players. He seems naive. Only just speculating but certainly in the media he seems very naive/illequipped mentally. I reckon that rubs off on the players - genuinely.

when things go bad for the media is always on the manager. but there is a reason if tuchel was sacked (disastrous team building) and the players have their big responsability for the poor results.

I believe Potter will do a good job giving a logic to this squad if backed properly from the board and the fans

 

[Jype 6,398]

12 hours ago, Vegetable said:

People can bash our players all they want, but a lot of people in this group have all the silverware in existence in their cabinets. They can be professional and civil enough not to revolt against Potter from the get go, but it's hard to convince those players to follow someone who is pretty much random Joe from their perspective.

Oh come on. I understood that sentiment when we were talking about players such as Terry/Lampard/Drogba etc. at their peak of their careers who had won almost everything at this club in particular multiple times but I'm way less understanding when we're talking about the current bunch.

The only ones with actually successful careers in the current squad are Silva, Azpi, Kante, Kovacic and Sterling. None of the other 20 or so players have even won a major league title in their career ffs. The first three are in the twilight of their careers so I don't think their opinions should matter all that much, not that I think any of them are causing problems either because all seem to be model professionals. 

Everyone else has had marginal success at best. The CL win was the pinnacle of their careers for many but that didn't stop some of them from quite clearly turning on Tuchel as well. You know, the man most responsible for said CL win.

Whether Potter is staying long term or not the bad apples still need to be binned ASAP no matter who they are. 

[Vegetable 830]

1 hour ago, Jype said:

Whether Potter is staying long term or not the bad apples still need to be binned ASAP no matter who they are. 

Of course, but that is not where my point was; I would name CL triumph "marginal", but anyway - Potter wouldn't have it easy in most of top-half of PL teams, especially with our players, who have history of not quite respecting even elite managers. This is relation of simple hierarchy, so what was expected with throwing Potter there? Especially that he isn't gifted with much of charisma. This could be seen from far away and we aren't really binning our key players anytime soon.  

 

I also wonder how this turning against TT is actually overblown - our typical level of apathy is not quite what revolting against Conte and FL was; Was there really that much drama, except for Pulisic's father moaning around?

[Jype 6,398]

9 minutes ago, Vegetable said:

Of course, but that is not where my point was; I would name CL triumph "marginal"

But a lone CL win is still just marginal success, isn't it? Sure it's one of the most important trophies in football but aside from that many players in the 2021 CL winning team have fuck all else to show for their careers and haven't proven themselves to be consistent winners so they can't exactly afford to act like they're all of a sudden hot shit and too good for the likes of Potter.

Tier 1, the serial winners: Kante, Silva, Sterling, Azpi, Kovacic

Tier 2, mediocre levels of success: Aubameyang, Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic, Mount, Jorginho, Koulibaly, James, Chilwell

Tier 3, the nobodies who haven't won anything: Broja, Gallagher, Zakaria, Loftus-Cheek, Cucurella, Fofana, Chalobah, Badiashile and the academy lads

 

If anyone's causing problems in the squad for Potter I would imagine it's from the second group of players, and more specifically the attacking players in that group. They're the ones who were digging the ground up from under Tuchel as well and who know their place in the squad is under threat the most. Anyone in the last group should just be happy to even be at a club of Chelsea's stature in the first place.

[Reddish-Blue 2,347]

16 minutes ago, Jype said:

But a lone CL win is still just marginal success, isn't it? Sure it's one of the most important trophies in football but aside from that many players in the 2021 CL winning team have fuck all else to show for their careers and haven't proven themselves to be consistent winners so they can't exactly afford to act like they're all of a sudden hot shit and too good for the likes of Potter.

Tier 1, the serial winners: Kante, Silva, Sterling, Azpi, Kovacic

Tier 2, mediocre levels of success: Aubameyang, Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic, Mount, Jorginho, Koulibaly, James, Chilwell

Tier 3, the nobodies who haven't won anything: Broja, Gallagher, Zakaria, Loftus-Cheek, Cucurella, Fofana, Chalobah, Badiashile and the academy lads

 

If anyone's causing problems in the squad for Potter I would imagine it's from the second group of players, and more specifically the attacking players in that group. They're the ones who were digging the ground up from under Tuchel as well and who know their place in the squad is under threat the most. Anyone in the last group should just be happy to even be at a club of Chelsea's stature in the first place.

I would tend to agree, the funny thing is, you could sell off everyone from the Tier 2 list (with the exception of James) and we would be better off as a football club. 

Hate seeing players like Pulisic, Ziyech,  Auba steal a living at Chelsea.  Feel like we should cut our losses and let them go, just to clear out the dressing room. 

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[OneMoSalah 8,778]

1 hour ago, whats happening said:

 

Yet the manager needs time. It is concerning to look at statistically. 

[Vesper 28,853]

Mauricio Pochettino 'would be willing to take the Chelsea job' should under-fire Graham Potter be axed by the Blues, despite the Argentine's links to rivals Tottenham

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11621331/Mauricio-Pochettino-willing-Chelsea-job-fire-Graham-Potter-axed.html

[Vegetable 830]

Escort him out now please, don't wait until full time.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

I like Potter but hes clearly not the man for this job if we want to compete for top 4, much less if we are competing for the league.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Has to go. Or we end up in between 10th-15th end of the season.

Simple as that.

How the fuck can he have this squad playing so shite? Its not necessarily as if its a bad squad. 

Edited January 12, 2023 by OneMoSalah