Superblue 6,372 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Jase said: At this point, god knows which is right and which is wrong anymore. From my POV, I have said before that I think Lukaku was more of the board's signing and Tuchel just went along with it. The board have always wanted to sign him back since 2017/2018. 13 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt so let's say in this hypothetical you are right. Tuchel went along with it. But there again shows the problem. Great managers wait for the right target vs go for the wrong one. It boggles me how these same board members who experienced Conte's 2017 disaster window are following the same route for a player who is arguably the pinnacle of a wrong signing for us. Add the fact Tuchel is throwing away a successful formula to shoehorn Lukaku in a system even my dog knows he isn't suited for, begs the question as to why he is doing this. That whole issue stems from the short term mentality the club has shown over the years. If Haaland was a no-go and the board have turned around to Tuchel and said we can get Lukaku, I'd love for him to turn around and say he won't be the right long term fit for what I'm building here. But even with the Champions League in his back pocket, Tuchel knows the recent history of Chelsea and he may not get that long term to build towards. Despite the promising signs of what was being built last season our attack was still incredibly wasteful and not clinical enough. Whatever we say about Lukaku his goalscoring record across his career, and specifically in this country is very good overall and adding that goal threat probably for Tuchel, felt like it would help get us out of situations we were in last season when we couldn't put teams away. The club did seem to back Tuchel significantly over Lukaku with the interview. We'll see in time whether they back Tuchel in the summer, because I cannot see both Tuchel and Lukaku lasting beyond the summer as it seems an ill fit. I really hope it's not Lukaku here for the long term. MoroccanBlue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,815 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MoroccanBlue 5,381 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Not sure if he fits the profile of what we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Blues Forever said: Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Tomo said: Our best hope now is PSG panic and want a guaranteed stat padder to replace Mbappe. I would think this will be their master, all major (even tenuous ones) possibilities list (no order, other than Häland top) for forwards 35 players, some are extreme reaches Erling Haaland Vinicius Junior Mohamed Salah Dusan Vlahovic Romelu Lukaku Lautaro Martínez Harry Kane Jadon Sancho Marcus Rashford Raheem Sterling Sadio Mané Heung-min Son Mikel Oyarzabal Federico Chiesa Leroy Sané Serge Gnabry Ansu Fati João Félix Richarlison Kingsley Coman Jonathan David Paulo Dybala Antoine Griezmann Robert Lewandowski Amine Gouiri Memphis Depay Alexander Isak Marco Asensio André Silva Karim Adeyemi Cristiano Ronaldo Allan Saint-Maximin Anthony Martial Ousmane Dembélé Youssoufa Moukoko Tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Blues Forever said: Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records. In that video vs France he looks motivated and up to it. He did also for us in the first couple of games, he actually looked good, but then he started sulking for some reason and now he doesn't look bothered anymore. The interview said everything we need to know - he doesn't want to be here and it shows. In most of the situations you see in that video he would carelessly lose to ball or get bullied by defenders playing for us - that's not something you can blame on the manager or his teammates. He wants to be recognized as world class like Lewa or Ronaldo, but he doesn't have the attitude nor skills to back that up. A tactical setup can only help you up to a point, but if you depend solely on the system being built around catering to your strenghts but otherwise are useless, then that makes you a "system player" not a world class one. Blue Armour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Blues Forever said: Tuchel wanted a goal scoring target man, Lukaku is clearly doesn't fit the bill except his goal scoring records. He is never getting the physical disadvantage he got in Italy over here and as for that France performance he won't get that time in club football (whilst it should also be remembered that is probably his only decent performance against a decent International side for them.) People can say what they want but the fact of the matter is that the way he is looking at the moment is exactly the way he looked at Utd, try and slice it how you want but he is a donkey. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milka 3,394 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Left , Right Wing Back ? Anyone ? will we take someone before we come out of the top 4 ? Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 The mental gymnastics that some people are willing to do for Lukaku is funny. Maybe Jacob Steinberg summarized it best here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,318 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Looks like Chris chose Barca. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, milka said: Left , Right Wing Back ? Anyone ? will we take someone before we come out of the top 4 ? LB Theo Hernández Raphaël Guerreiro Abdou Diallo (can play CB as well) Ramy Bensebaini Borna Sosa Robin Gosens Angeliño Todd Cantwell Filip Kostic Romain Faivre Ryan Sessegnon Ivan Perisic Rico Henry Layvin Kurzawa Abner Leonardo Spinazzola (not for a long time, due to Achilles tear) Destiny Udogie Edited January 19, 2022 by Vesper mkh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZAPHOD2319 4,815 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Looks like Chris chose Barca. Sports Illustrated is running that story, but they always use "sources". I am reading on other sites that Barca is having problems with his wage demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,170 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 57 minutes ago, milka said: Left , Right Wing Back ? Anyone ? will we take someone before we come out of the top 4 ? RB Matty Cash Ridle Baku Silas Katompa Mvumpa Davide Calabria Sergiño Dest Lukas Klostermann Nordi Mukiele James Justin Joakim Maehle Zeki Celik Kevin Mbabu Pierre Kalulu Devyne Rensch Vanderson Valentino Lazaro Brandon Soppy Jayden Bogle Lutsharel Geertruida Ethan Laird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,051 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 6 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said: I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt so let's say in this hypothetical you are right. Tuchel went along with it. But there again shows the problem. Great managers wait for the right target vs go for the wrong one. It boggles me how these same board members who experienced Conte's 2017 disaster window are following the same route for a player who is arguably the pinnacle of a wrong signing for us. Add the fact Tuchel is throwing away a successful formula to shoehorn Lukaku in a system even my dog knows he isn't suited for, begs the question as to why he is doing this. It's been an issue for years now. Managers aren't getting targets they really want but end up paying the price for poor buys. I have this feeling that history will repeat itself & Tuchel could end up paying the price for a decision ultimately made above him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) I believe this board was more determined to sign Lukaku than it was to sign Shevchenko. I firmly believe this. Torres was maybe manager wish, but Lukaku was wish from above. I will repeat it. Board was so damn sure prolific goalscorer is all we need. Sign that and we don't have to sign anyone else and we will be able to compete in all fronts. They have seen that our team was very good bar this little detail. They went for Haland. Best option. Didn't work out. They went for, in their short sighded minds, the second best option. It worked out. They sold couple of promising youngers and sealed the deal. Sorry, Tuchel wasn't asked. Because Tuchel would have asked for wingback, cb, striker, maybe even winger. It was easier this way. Hand him common solution. No question asked,. You are paid to make the best of what you have. Lukaku is too good to fail under manager of quality. You don't get along with our solution? The doors are there. Manager doesn't want to stay without his paycheck and phones Lukaku. If Tuchel knew he wouldn't be able to sign anyone else even if he needed due to injuries, would he splash all the cash on Lukaku? Edited January 19, 2022 by laura90 Hermione and Strike 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pizy 18,903 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Ousmane Dembele is the sort of signing Arsenal would make. Someone who is extremely talented but will never reach that top level consistently. If he was cheap I’d take a punt on him in the summer, but it looks like they want him out asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Forever 1,232 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pizy said: Ousmane Dembele is the sort of signing Arsenal would make. Someone who is extremely talented but will never reach that top level consistently. If he was cheap I’d take a punt on him in the summer, but it looks like they want him out asap. Dembele will be a free agent this summer, that's why Barca want to cash him immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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