Hashishi 148 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Vesper said: Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come? There is no pressure on him to win CL at PSG. He can have his payday with no expectations and look good for RM to come for him in a few years. Atomiswave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Vesper said: Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come? His agent quotes: https://www.marca.com/en/football/ligue-1/2021/07/10/60e96a4be2704eb09e8b463b.html "Real Madrid had the right of first refusal until PSG and Inter said that the deal was going to happen," explained Camano. "We maintain the illusion and the dream that Achraf will return to Real Madrid because he was born in Madrid, he grew up in Madrid and, as a final goal, one day, he would like to play for Real Madrid" Camano admitted that there was also interest from the reigning European champions. "Chelsea also bid for Achraf. The fact that they are champions of Europe perhaps threw him back." Atomiswave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,120 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Vesper said: Explain this please. You are saying the fact we have won a HUGE trophy (biggest club trophy on the planet) without him makes him not want to come? Yes, the pressure is too much for him, no one gets a free pass at Chel or EPL for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Atomiswave said: Yes, the pressure is too much for him, no one gets a free pass at Chel or EPL for that matter. does he not think the pressure on him will be insane at PSG???? he is a fool if he thinks it will not be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Jas said: His agent quotes: https://www.marca.com/en/football/ligue-1/2021/07/10/60e96a4be2704eb09e8b463b.html "Real Madrid had the right of first refusal until PSG and Inter said that the deal was going to happen," explained Camano. "We maintain the illusion and the dream that Achraf will return to Real Madrid because he was born in Madrid, he grew up in Madrid and, as a final goal, one day, he would like to play for Real Madrid" Camano admitted that there was also interest from the reigning European champions. "Chelsea also bid for Achraf. The fact that they are champions of Europe perhaps threw him back." he is an idiot then (not for wanting to go play at RM) EOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,120 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Vesper said: does he not think the pressure on him will be insane at PSG???? he is a fool if he thinks it will not be PSG is PSG mate, a piss poor league, massive wages, not much pressure compared to Chels and EPL where the expectation is high under a manager that demands you are on it at all times. Life is most def easier at PSG vs Chels. We dodged a bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 30 minutes ago, Hashishi said: There is no pressure on him to win CL at PSG. tell that to the trillion quid sheiks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomiswave 6,120 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Vesper said: tell that to the trillion quid sheiks Lol you are right but overall its way easier in France. So many good teams in EPL, highest tempo etc........he pussied out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 Just now, Vesper said: tell that to the trillion quid sheiks Think of how many managers Abramovich has sold before you judge who is more ruthless. Also think of how Hakim has adapted to prem, I think Hakimi would take a while to settle, if he ever did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Pizy said: He does, but if we can’t get a top of the line, marquee striker than I’d rather us get a cheap stopgap than spending 50m or something on a mid level guy who might be a bust and we’re stuck with them when Haaland is available next summer. If we can get someone in the £25-30m range this summer who may not be spectacular but is effective and can score the easy chances we create that’ll have to do. Then that striker can become our backup striker next season. Or perhaps the plan is to just stick with Tammy and Kai. Which…..wouldn’t be good. I really wish it was as simple as that but part of the reason we create so many chances is because everyone is involved in not only the build up but the pressing to force opposition errors in dangerous areas. A fox in the box striker to "finish what we create" sounds good in theory but it could quite easily go the other way where our chance creation goes through the floor and we're relying on said player to finish almost every chance he gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hashishi said: Think of how many managers Abramovich has sold before you judge who is more ruthless. Also think of how Hakim has adapted to prem, I think Hakimi would take a while to settle, if he ever did. not saying the pressure here would not have been worse, but it hardly will be non-existent in Paris the French press is HORRID too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,399 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Tomo said: I really wish it was as simple as that but part of the reason we create so many chances is because everyone is involved in not only the build up but the pressing to force opposition errors in dangerous areas. A fox in the box striker to "finish what we create" sounds good in theory but it could quite easily go the other way where our chance creation goes through the floor and we're relying on said player to finish almost every chance he gets. What’s the solution then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Jas said: Zorc just came out and said it today. I did not keep track of their previous comments and am sure they have also said it some time this year. And the media, including the German, have also been reporting Dortmund have no intention to sell this summer. So am mostly just going by that. Under pressure to sell as in? If we actually put in the 175 million euros bid? Or just in general? That is exactly what he didn't do. He just said "we are still planning with him", which is the weakest possible statement you can make, and decidedly different from what he said about the other players. And yes, under pressure to sell, IF a huge bid comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said: What’s the solution then? There's no easy solution, Tuchel is paid the big bucks to hopefully find a way. However, we of all supporters should know signing strikers because they "guarantee goals" is a dangerous game, even more so if we're overhauling a promising system to accommodate them. The biggest case in point, Haaland aside, does any of our realistic targets actually have more goals last season than Kai and Werner did in 19/20? Edited July 10, 2021 by Tomo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Artandur said: That is exactly what he didn't do. He just said "we are still planning with him", which is the weakest possible statement you can make, and decidedly different from what he said about the other players. Well for that quote, give and take with the general consensus. They have probably said something more specific in the past. We know they're not gonna sell unless someone puts in a crazy offer that will make them think. 7 minutes ago, Artandur said: And yes, under pressure to sell, IF a huge bid comes in. Yeah, I suppose it will make them think. But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,475 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 what? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artandur 939 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, Jas said: But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? Yeah it would definitely be a huge risk for them. Speaking strictly financially losing out on cl would still be less of a loss than 100m though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Jas said: But on the flip side, if they sell two of their biggest stars in the same window and they suddenly become uncompetitive and say, don't qualify for the Champions League (something that was a near possibility even with two of their biggest stars last season), then how will they explain that? they will have over a quarter of a BILLION euros to spend in the biggest buyer's market of the century surely they can shore up the team ina MASSIVE way, and future-proof it as well by buying young and/or in early prime players with players like Boubacar Kamara PLUS Aouar going for a combined £30m quid or so! they can just rape and pillage Ligue 1, plus so many other players out there at bargain basement prices they could, for instance, buy Lautaro (who does slot in perfectly for their style) for €80-90m and still have €170m or so left to spend for a NET ZERO outlay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: they will have over a quarter of a BILLION euros to spend in the biggest buyer's market of the century surely they can shore up the team ina MASSIVE way, and future-proof it as well by buying young and/or in early prime players with players like Boubacar Kamara PLUS Aouar going for a combined £30m quid or so! they can just rape and pillage Ligue 1, plus so many other players out there at bargain basement prices they could, for instance, buy Lautaro (who does slot in perfectly for their style) for €80-90m and still have €170m or so left to spend for a NET ZERO outlay Not saying Dortmund will reject our bid, if we do submit a big offer, but it is balancing act they will have to consider between staying competitive and pocketing money from transfers. Let's not forget that they also just sold Sancho and have money now. Plus they will continue to get big money in years to come by selling the likes of Bellingham, Reyna etc (aside from Haaland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 31,045 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jas said: Not saying Dortmund will reject our bid, if we do submit a big offer, but it is balancing act they will have to consider between staying competitive and pocketing money from transfers. Let's not forget that they also just sold Sancho and have money now. Plus they will continue to get big money in years to come by selling the likes of Bellingham, Reyna etc (aside from Haaland). I am not predicting what they will do, just giving my opinion that they are fools to shit away an extra €75-100m (depending on our offer, and an extra €85-110m IF the release clause in only €65m next year, not €75m) all for only one more year of Håland, especially given the unique low point of this market pricing matrix atm my dog the team I could build with €250-275m net zero spend in this market, especially given some of their players they already have not only CL qualifying but for sure Bundesliga title contenders (Bayern will soon not have a completely prime Lewa and many of their players are unhappy with contracts, including the linchpins Kimmich and Goretzka) play their cards right, they could be true CL threats down the nearish road, even with no Håland or Sancho these are hardly dogshit players they already have they just need to strengthen the back 4 plus a CF and some MFers and winger or two Gregor Kobel great young Swiss GKer they just signed Manuel Akanji Dan-Axel Zagadou Raphaël Guerreiro Thomas Meunier Emre Can Thomas Delaney Axel Witsel (ageing though) Jude Bellingham (granted will leave in a year or two) Mahmoud Dahoud Giovanni Reyna (same as Bellingham) Julian Brandt Reinier (on loan from RM) Marco Reus (ageing though) Thorgan Hazard Youssoufa Moukoko (potential absolute monster and is only 16yo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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