Chelsea Transfers

[R2D2 368]

  On 02/06/2021 at 14:37, Mário César said:

100M€

Imagine if you fail top4 with Silva and won a league title with Lukaku... The difference is paid with results 

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Lukaku isn't any better than Silva.

[Mário César 1,071]

for example

if Liverpool thinked in that way, they didn't want buy Van Dijk because of the price and look what happened when they signed. Actually nobody think about how much Van Dijk cost because they won good trophies with him

[Mário César 1,071]

  On 02/06/2021 at 14:48, R2D2 said:

Lukaku isn't any better than Silva.

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I see silva since he played with Porto B!! No way he is ready to play in a team that challenge for epl title. no way 

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  On 02/06/2021 at 14:44, Alabama said:

Just get Lautauro Martinez....that guy would become a world class deadly finisher....

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Great player but not what we need. Skillful, quick attackers we have many, but big, strong, good header option not. Thus Haaland or Big Rom would be a better fit.

[Jase 43,479]

  On 02/06/2021 at 14:36, Magic Lamps said:

Sounds reasonable. Silva scored 28 league goals in Bundesliga just like Werner the season before... but Silva needed fewer chances.

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Statistically, their numbers are kinda similar. Silva produced 107 shots in the Bundesliga and scored 28 league goals while he also missed 18 big chances. In Werner's final season at Leipzig, he had 117 shots and scored 28 goals but also missed 21 big chances. Although, I don't think Silva takes penalties for Eintracht Frankfurt?

[Magic Lamps 11,677]

  On 02/06/2021 at 15:02, Jas said:

Statistically, their numbers are kinda similar. Silva produced 107 shots in the Bundesliga and scored 28 league goals while he also missed 18 big chances. In Werner's final season at Leipzig, he had 117 shots and scored 28 goals but also missed 21 big chances. Although, I don't think Silva takes penalties for Eintracht Frankfurt?

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I would say this small but not miniscule difference still substantiates my point. Hf you watched both player in action for their respective season and judge the quality of chances with your own eyes you would see Silva is more clinical than Werner. He a. lso does not get into good positions as much and as Werner tho and does not cover the ground as rapidly and industriously in my eyes. Anyway, Silva is surely not the all-action striker we need but he could still be useful. My choicee would be to keep either Tammy or Giroud and sign Vlahovic or Daka. Even more of a gamble but more upside as well. I reckon we will continue to use Havertz as false 9 anyway so maybe striker is not as high on the priority list for the club as we think

[King Kante 1,563]

  On 02/06/2021 at 14:37, Mário César said:

100M€

Imagine if you fail top4 with Silva and won a league title with Lukaku... The difference is paid with results 

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But Lukaku wouldn't win us the league. People keep saying his first touch has got better but it hasn't the reason it looks better is because of the standard of Serie A and the pace of the league. Feck me, but even Zlatan with one knee is still cracking in 17 goals a season and looking like one of the best players in the league. 

I get why you don't want Silva, I am not sold on him either however Lukaku is not the answer. If I had to choose between them I got Silva unless you can get Lukaku for £40-£50m (which you cannot.)

[R2D2 368]

  On 02/06/2021 at 15:27, Magic Lamps said:

I would say this small but not miniscule difference still substantiates my point. Hf you watched both player in action for their respective season and judge the quality of chances with your own eyes you would see Silva is more clinical than Werner. He a. lso does not get into good positions as much and as Werner tho and does not cover the ground as rapidly and industriously in my eyes. Anyway, Silva is surely not the all-action striker we need but he could still be useful. My choicee would be to keep either Tammy or Giroud and sign Vlahovic or Daka. Even more of a gamble but more upside as well. I reckon we will continue to use Havertz as false 9 anyway so maybe striker is not as high on the priority list for the club as we think

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Hope you right man, I want to see Havertz and Werner step it up and reinforce in other positions.

[R2D2 368]

  On 02/06/2021 at 15:30, King Kante said:

But Lukaku wouldn't win us the league. People keep saying his first touch has got better but it hasn't the reason it looks better is because of the standard of Serie A and the pace of the league. Feck me, but even Zlatan with one knee is still cracking in 17 goals a season and looking like one of the best players in the league. 

I get why you don't want Silva, I am not sold on him either however Lukaku is not the answer. If I had to choose between them I got Silva unless you can get Lukaku for £40-£50m (which you cannot.)

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Absolutely this, the fucking Top scorers are composed of washed up Ronaldo, Immobile, Ibrahimovic and Lukaku enough said, that league is a disgrace.

[King Kante 1,563]

  On 02/06/2021 at 15:27, Magic Lamps said:

I would say this small but not miniscule difference still substantiates my point. Hf you watched both player in action for their respective season and judge the quality of chances with your own eyes you would see Silva is more clinical than Werner. He a. lso does not get into good positions as much and as Werner tho and does not cover the ground as rapidly and industriously in my eyes. Anyway, Silva is surely not the all-action striker we need but he could still be useful. My choicee would be to keep either Tammy or Giroud and sign Vlahovic or Daka. Even more of a gamble but more upside as well. I reckon we will continue to use Havertz as false 9 anyway so maybe striker is not as high on the priority list for the club as we think

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I haven't seen Vlahovic other than a YouTube video. Is he actually a prospect or is he just benefitting from a purple patch/the standard of Serie A like Piatek did? 

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Although we didn't need their help in the end, we owe Spurs one for beating Leicester. So I plead with Chelsea fans around the world to club together and help Spurs buy Lukaku.

[Henrique 9,133]

Some people never learn the lesson. Lukaku is a proven player, prolific goal scorer and a leader. In past years we already tried those player who were supposed to be the next big thing and were massive flops: Morata and Werner. Paying any money for a player like Silva from Bundesliga is a big mistake, since he will be just another Werner...but thats no surprise, months ago folks on this sub were saying they didn't want Messi because he would destroy "Lampard's project". LMAO

[King Kante 1,563]

  On 02/06/2021 at 18:57, Henrique said:

Some people never learn the lesson. Lukaku is a proven player, prolific goal scorer and a leader. In past years we already tried those player who were supposed to be the next big thing and were massive flops: Morata and Werner. Paying any money for a player like Silva from Bundesliga is a big mistake, since he will be just another Werner...but thats no surprise, months ago folks on this sub were saying they didn't want Messi because he would destroy "Lampard's project". LMAO

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Mate, Lukaku failed at Utd because his first touch was awful so teams that low blocked Utd would dispossess him easily. 

His touch is still the same, so the problems he had at Utd will be the same here. Just because he he has been banging them in, in Serie A doesn't change this fact as Serie A is a poor league these days.

As for Silva, I don't think anyone is saying we must go out and buy Silva or even that he is a great player. What they are saying is that Lukaku isn't a good player and vastly overpriced at €100m and if the option is buy Lukaku at €100m or buy Silva at €35m then they would rather take the Silva deal as they do not think Lukaku is worth it.

[Mário César 1,071]

The first touch of Diego Costa was also horrible and he still was very important to won 2 epl's

and romelu had a first decent season with united

[Mário César 1,071]

  On 02/06/2021 at 18:57, Henrique said:

Some people never learn the lesson. Lukaku is a proven player, prolific goal scorer and a leader. In past years we already tried those player who were supposed to be the next big thing and were massive flops: Morata and Werner. Paying any money for a player like Silva from Bundesliga is a big mistake, since he will be just another Werner...but thats no surprise, months ago folks on this sub were saying they didn't want Messi because he would destroy "Lampard's project". LMAO

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exactly my point

[Jase 43,479]

Sounds like Lukaku wants to stay at Inter..?

 

[BlueGuy 10]

  On 02/06/2021 at 18:57, Henrique said:

Some people never learn the lesson. Lukaku is a proven player, prolific goal scorer and a leader. In past years we already tried those player who were supposed to be the next big thing and were massive flops: Morata and Werner. Paying any money for a player like Silva from Bundesliga is a big mistake, since he will be just another Werner...but thats no surprise, months ago folks on this sub were saying they didn't want Messi because he would destroy "Lampard's project". LMAO

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Unfortunately too many looks only stats: scores and assists and so was for Morata and Werner, IMO you should look before at skills and technique of a player and than at stats, the numbers can be vary for many reasons!

[OneMoSalah 8,834]

 

  On 02/06/2021 at 19:24, King Kante said:

Mate, Lukaku failed at Utd because his first touch was awful so teams that low blocked Utd would dispossess him easily. 

His touch is still the same, so the problems he had at Utd will be the same here. Just because he he has been banging them in, in Serie A doesn't change this fact as Serie A is a poor league these days.

As for Silva, I don't think anyone is saying we must go out and buy Silva or even that he is a great player. What they are saying is that Lukaku isn't a good player and vastly overpriced at €100m and if the option is buy Lukaku at €100m or buy Silva at €35m then they would rather take the Silva deal as they do not think Lukaku is worth it.

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I am sorry but what? I mean is this based on  3 seasons ago still re his first touch? And even then, did he really fail at United?

I mean his first season he scored 27 goals and then his second season 15. If he failed scoring 42 goals in 2 seasons god help us. And even then you would think United were an amazing team when he was there also... Ah wait they weren’t, they were a team devoid of any real creativity for the whole time he was there under Mourinho. 

Aye he had a bad spell for a bit with United, was overweight for a period but Inter also diagnosed him with a serious bowel problem which they put him on a diet for to rectify and thats definitely controversially led to him being a lot sharper with Conte. Who knows how long he had that for because at United he looked slower, less dynamic, a lot more stockier for a period of time yet still got 15 goals that season despite going on a poor goal scoring run. 

Go and watch him for Inter, he has clearly improved his first touch, his back to goal play etc. He’s never going to be Lewandowski maybe or prime Suarez but to say he hasn’t improved that aspect is just painfully ignorant from someone who I am guessing probably hasn’t even watched any Serie A games he’s been played in.

I still don’t think he will want to leave Italy though. Why would he? Hes proven himself in the PL, yes he hasnt won a PL title but from a personal point of view he scored 113 goals and made 35 assists in 251 games. Ironically more goals than his hero Drogba.

Plus people complaining about the quality of Serie A, aye its not what it was but its not as bad as you would seriously think. I like the PL but lets no be as oblivious and make out it is the hardest league in the world when in fact it has as many shit teams as every other league and the only thing that makes the PL different from these teams is probably the finances available. It is as hard as many other teams in other top leagues because there is still clearly a gap between top and bottom tier teams.

For instance mentioning Ibrahimovich being up near the top of goals despite the fact he joined Man United aged what 35/36 4 years ago and scored 17 PL goals in 28 games....

Then what about Mo Salah signed from Roma and scored 44 goals in his first season for Liverpool no? PL top scorer that season also? No?

If Ronaldo were to rejoin United he would also piss the PL for goals.

Is it the same for Ligue 1? Wait Cavani got 10 goals this season also in extremely limited minutes when he was apparently finished.

Even Bale scored 11 PL goals this season.

There is a theme here, if you score goals regularly in one country you can certainly do it in another..... Lukaku would do it again 100%. 

Edited June 2, 2021 by OneMoSalah