Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Reddish-Blue said:

What does Havertz actually provide?    After 60-ish appearances in the PL, does anyone know his best position or whether he's had 10 really good games in PL? 

I know people love to hate on Pulisic but he's got enough 'variety' in his play to be a solid option for Potter.   I can see why Newcastle wanted him, him in Eddie Howe's system would have been nice to watch.   If Potter can get some consistency out of Pulisic, that would save us a nice transfer fee and having to hit the market again for another attacker. 

I think the biggest problem for Havertz is that no one seems to know his best position. He's heading the same way Ruben did where different managers have different ideas and concepts of his strengths and where to utilise them. He might well simply be one of these players that thrives under being the big fish in the small pond, like he was at Leverkusen.

I felt last season that false 9 position was going to actually be the most suitable place for him and he had a bit of a run early on in the sanctions period where he looked really good and it just tailed off again. We don't have big goal scorers around him to put up numbers like say Liverpool have had in the past around Firmino and that poses a problem then when he's not a consistent scorer. 

It's extremely frustrating. Whatever people say about Mount, he's at the very least shown a consistent increase in his goals and assists numbers each season. 3 - 4 seasons on, we should be seeing Havertz and Pulisic really kicking on now and being big game changing players here and, as of now, they're not. 

[Reddish-Blue 2,517]

10 minutes ago, Superblue said:

I think the biggest problem for Havertz is that no one seems to know his best position. He's heading the same way Ruben did where different managers have different ideas and concepts of his strengths and where to utilise them. He might well simply be one of these players that thrives under being the big fish in the small pond, like he was at Leverkusen.

I felt last season that false 9 position was going to actually be the most suitable place for him and he had a bit of a run early on in the sanctions period where he looked really good and it just tailed off again. We don't have big goal scorers around him to put up numbers like say Liverpool have had in the past around Firmino and that poses a problem then when he's not a consistent scorer. 

It's extremely frustrating. Whatever people say about Mount, he's at the very least shown a consistent increase in his goals and assists numbers each season. 3 - 4 seasons on, we should be seeing Havertz and Pulisic really kicking on now and being big game changing players here and, as of now, they're not. 

At least with Ruben, he has adapted to the situation.  Whether it's playing in midfield, playing further back than his preferred role or even playing as the RWB. 

The comment about big fish in a small pond, that's not true at all, if that was the case, he'd be struggling for Germany as well.   Put Havertz in a team with attackers like Bayern Munich and he'll flourish as he'll have the time & space to impact the game around the likes of Sane, Musiala, Muller, Davies and co.

I don't think we will ever see the very best of Havertz at Chelsea because the system doesn't suit him.

[laura90 556]

2017 transformed us from title contenders to top four contenders.

2021 will transform us from top four contenders to to top 5-8 team. 

Neglecting need to overhaul our midfield with at least two quality midfielders and getting Lukaku instead will haunt us every game onwards. That summer was even more damaging than summer of 2017.  

We are behind many clubs in pecking order and our only hope of getting big club status again is extremely good talent hunter.

[Mário César 1,342]

4 minutes ago, laura90 said:

2017 transformed us from title contenders to top four contenders.

2021 will transform us from top four contenders to to top 5-8 team. 

Neglecting need to overhaul our midfield with at least two quality midfielders and getting Lukaku instead will haunt us every game onwards. That summer was even more damaging than summer of 2017.  

We are behind many clubs in pecking order and our only hope of getting big club status again is extremely good talent hunter.

sadly is true

[DDA 9,985]

It's time to seriously think about buying Ivan Toney.

He is built to play here. We have to accept that certain strikers just thrive in blue... Big powerful mother fuckers who know where the net is. 

Edited October 23, 2022 by DDA

[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

50 minutes ago, DDA said:

It's time to seriously think about buying Ivan Toney.

He is built to play here. We have to accept that certain strikers just thrive in blue... Big powerful mother fuckers who know where the net is. 

I'd like to worry about rejuvenating the midfield first. Otherwise, what's the point? 

[MoroccanBlue 5,384]

19 hours ago, laura90 said:

Neglecting need to overhaul our midfield with at least two quality midfielders and getting Lukaku instead will haunt us every game onwards. 

I did make a post a week or so before we signed Lukaku stating this signing would ultimately get Tuchel sacked. 

Looking how things unfolded, prioritizing Lukaku over Tchouameni and settling for Saul on loan, I was kind of right. Tuchel's bizarre thought process into thinking Jorginho, Kovacic, and Kante didn't needed to be improved on, will forever mystify me. 

[laura90 556]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

I did make a post a week or so before we signed Lukaku stating this signing would ultimately get Tuchel sacked. 

 

I said that as soon as Lukaku signing was inevitable.😒 

[LAM09 7,069]

1 hour ago, DDA said:

It's time to seriously think about buying Ivan Toney.

He is built to play here. We have to accept that certain strikers just thrive in blue... Big powerful mother fuckers who know where the net is. 

If we must lower the standard of targets, I'd prefer us to go after Mitrović.

[laura90 556]

I don't get who was responsible for our transfers. Were second and third choices we were getting manager choices? What use of 250 mill spent if you are weakening your team? Are managers really that stupid? Did Tuchel really want 30+ players and the one that suffered major injury prior after going trough hell with Reece's and Chilwell's injuries. 

I read somewhere that Fofana was signed on basis of some data and analyses. In the last two years we signed Lukaku and Sterling- two 28 yers old who played football since they were sixteen. They had all career behind them. They were not at their peak, they were past their peak.

We also signed KK, Auba, Azpi. Add Silva, Jorginho, Kante to the mix, that is more than half team in thirties and close to past it status.  Even Silva is not what he used to be.

Who imagined this team to  improve when half of the team is declining  individually? I really don't get it. 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by laura90

[Vesper 30,301]

2 hours ago, laura90 said:

I don't get who was responsible for our transfers.

sure as hell wasn't me or Tchou would be our DMF and Jesus our CF (I can list 15+ other things too, but you get the point)

[ulvhedin 526]

So it seems that us signing Endrick was a pure dream

[LAM09 7,069]

4 hours ago, ulvhedin said:

So it seems that us signing Endrick was a pure dream

I believe him moving to Spain was always a cert, with RM being the ideal choice considering the rise of Vini & Rodrygo. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

It's hard to know Endrik's ceiling atm. He's just too young at 16.

Could be anywhere between Ronaldo 9, Ronaldinho, Neymar, or a Robinho (talking about the footballer not the person 🤮). It does not look like he's going to turn into Robinho at this point tho.

Abel Ferreira, Palmeiras Portuguese manager/coach is also someone to keep an eye on. He's doing something incredible and without the riches of Flamengo. Word is that he's disciplined, tactically savvy (as we saw when we played them in the WCC), and also a great motivator--his players eat dirt for him.

Edited October 27, 2022 by robsblubot

[Strike 7,533]

On 23/10/2022 at 20:56, MoroccanBlue said:

I'd like to worry about rejuvenating the midfield first. Otherwise, what's the point? 

Yes, and not Alvarez from Ajax

[Reddish-Blue 2,517]

8 hours ago, robsblubot said:

It's hard to know Endrik's ceiling atm. He's just too young at 16.

Could be anywhere between Ronaldo 9, Ronaldinho, Neymar, or a Robinho (talking about the footballer not the person 🤮). It does not look like he's going to turn into Robinho at this point tho.

Abel Ferreira, Palmeiras Portuguese manager/coach is also someone to keep an eye on. He's doing something incredible and without the riches of Flamengo. Word is that he's disciplined, tactically savvy (as we saw when we played them in the WCC), and also a great motivator--his players eat dirt for him.

Sounds like young Mourinho coaching in the Portuguese leagues....

[milka 3,398]

 

[Fernando 6,602]

Newcastle selling Bruno? I doubt it. And it will cost us a fortune. 

[OhForAGreavsie 6,092]

Just now, Fernando said:

Newcastle selling Bruno? I doubt it. And it will cost us a fortune. 

I'm not too interested in Bruno. If we're chasing tough to get midfielders, I'd rather we try again for Lavia & De Jong.

[chelsea_4_eva 1,182]

We have put off revitalizing the midfield for too long. Also getting the right midfielder is key for us.