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  On 02/03/2024 at 18:40, Vesper said:

I was dead wrong about Edson Álvarez

he has been great for West Ham as their main DMF, and overall probaly has been their best player, at least consistently

vastly better player at than either Enzo or Caicedo, especially Caicedo

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Too old and experienced for us 

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  On 02/03/2024 at 18:03, robsblubot said:

Hehe well, he had a few (more like several) WC players around him to help out back then.

Seriously though we complain about caicedo’s passing, but he can hit a long ball and assist rarely tho (still 20yo).
The one thing he has in common with Mikel right now is the absolute inability to shoot and score goals.

caicedo is quick and very mobile—the opposite of Mikel.

Despite the shortcoming in caicedo a game he’s still more useful than Mikel was.

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Finally we agree on something. Never thought Mikel was all that and to this day I found him to be a very average player, yet now since his podcast he’s getting Chelsea legend labels.
 

It’s as if people are pretending to forget how frustrating he was. Side to side Mikel. Wasn’t great technically, limited passing range, offered next to nothing in creating chances, but was decent defensively.  

 

 Ramires was more of a legend than Mikel. 

 

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  On 03/03/2024 at 15:01, MoroccanBlue said:

Finally we agree on something. Never thought Mikel was all that and to this day I found him to be a very average player, yet now since his podcast he’s getting Chelsea legend labels.
 

It’s as if people are pretending to forget how frustrating he was. Side to side Mikel. Wasn’t great technically, limited passing range, offered next to nothing in creating chances, but was decent defensively.  

 

 Ramires was more of a legend than Mikel. 

 

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Mikel was an underrated baller. Strong as an ox , dominant in the air. Didn’t make mistakes. Prime Mikel would be a huge asset to this team. 
watch him for Nigeria and he actually had a good range of forward long passing and could drive up the pitch but wasn’t really his job here.

 

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  On 03/03/2024 at 15:22, lucio said:

Didn’t make mistakes.

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Are you being serious here? 😄 I still remember him walking around nonchalantly, not closing players down, just being slow overall in situations. He would probably be slightly better than Caicedo though.

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  On 03/03/2024 at 15:01, MoroccanBlue said:

It’s as if people are pretending to forget how frustrating he was.

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He was frustrating to watch but at that point in time, he was what we needed in that deeper midfield role.   

  On 03/03/2024 at 15:01, MoroccanBlue said:

Ramires was more of a legend than Mikel. 

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For that goal vs Barcelona, he'll always be a LEGEND.     

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  On 03/03/2024 at 15:01, MoroccanBlue said:

Finally we agree on something. Never thought Mikel was all that and to this day I found him to be a very average player, yet now since his podcast he’s getting Chelsea legend labels.
 

It’s as if people are pretending to forget how frustrating he was. Side to side Mikel. Wasn’t great technically, limited passing range, offered next to nothing in creating chances, but was decent defensively.  

 

 Ramires was more of a legend than Mikel. 

 

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For me top3 most annoying players in the last 20 years: Mikel, Willian and Mount. 

Ofc they were not the worst, far from it but can't compare them to Drinkwater, Bakayoko and guys like that because they were not starters and didn't stay long. But those 3 for years and years played every game and it was painful every time seeing them in starting lineup. Now retrospectively I admire Willian more but remember for years I wanted upgrade there and his end product was so annoying. Pedro was better but they usually shared minutes. 

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  On 04/03/2024 at 09:39, NikkiCFC said:

Now retrospectively I admire Willian more but remember for years I wanted upgrade there and his end product was so annoying

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Agree the end product was annoying but he's still far far ahead of Madueke/Mudryk on the wings.  

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  On 04/03/2024 at 07:52, manpe said:

Are you being serious here? 😄 I still remember him walking around nonchalantly, not closing players down, just being slow overall in situations. He would probably be slightly better than Caicedo though.

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Didn’t constantly make mistakes on the ball and give it away

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