Tomo 21,751 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 A little bit of context for the "he's Brighton's 3rd choice keeper" narrative from the Brighton forum. Steele did get injured, and after two months of quiet benchwarming Sanchez was picked and played two of the biggest games in our history, our first win at Stamford Bridge followed by the Cup semi final at Wembley. He excelled in both, a chance to re-establish himself you might say, but was dropped back to the bench immediately after. Then Steeke shipped five against Everton and was. looking anything but a PL shot stopper, but RDZ told Sanchez he wasn't getting back in the team, at which point he got upset and the rest is history. https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/robert-sanchez-to-Chelsea-for-25m-plus-add-ons.400643/page-40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, LAM09 said: That is true. We aren't off to a good start, though, after yesterday. I'm hoping it's only a minor setback. They'll always be a bit of natural paranoia after the last couple of season's but instincts are telling me it was a precaution due to the pitch. Hopefully I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mário César 1,477 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 everything will depend on the luck of injuries and how our players with potential will grow throughout the season. For now, the signs are promising. you can tell this is a group that wants to be here and wants to shine. that's halfway to success. if we get caicedo, olise/kudus and vlahovic, we have an obligation to fight for the champions league places. another scenario is unthinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 2,817 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said: There's never been world class player from Ecuador. So history and math is not on Caicedo side. What are the odds he is the first one? Valencia is most famous but nothing special. For 100m we should expect prime Kante from day one. Just saying Caicedo is not sure thing like we would like to believe. And this is me, who said back in December that my dream MF is Enzo and Caicedo. I agree with this and also disagree. Haaland by that metric shouldn't have been a buy coming out of Bundesliga - but he looked like a sure thing. I don't think Caceido is worth 100 mil. He isn't Kante, nor will he be IMO. I'm a diminishing returns kind of person, so I see someone who we could get for 40 mil and perform at 80% - and think that is better than 100 mil and only getting 20% more. Because you can use that 60 mil to bolster elsewhere. That on top of him not necessarily being a sure fire thing really. The Rising Sun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 39 minutes ago, Mário César said: you can tell this is a group that wants to be here and wants to shine. that's halfway to success. Yes, they really wanted to be here as they signed their best contracts yet. For some, this will be their first and only stint at an elite club. "that's halfway to success." No, it really isn't. It's far easier to find will and determination than quality in football. The PL itself should be evidence enough. A lot of the smaller teams show the biggest heart and dedication you see in the league, and yet that does not help them into top6. What allows you to win when competing against the best there is, is to have players of comparable quality. This season, we simply don't know the level of the newly acquired players; they may not even know themselves. It will be the first big challenge in their careers. I totally understand that the unknown, having a young squad hungry players can be exciting, but I reckon the odds are that not all players will come good. Some will be found out this season, and we will have to quickly replace them. There are many possible scenarios, some pretty bad, but it seems folks are optimistic. So let's see if they can at least hold their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said: There's never been world class player from Ecuador. So history and math is not on Caicedo side. What are the odds he is the first one? Valencia is most famous but nothing special. For 100m we should expect prime Kante from day one. Just saying Caicedo is not sure thing like we would like to believe. And this is me, who said back in December that my dream MF is Enzo and Caicedo. I was pretty much obsessed with signing Enzo from the minute I saw him play a 90 minute match, here's me stating as such before he exploded in the world cup. Caicedo not so much at that point but I'm certainly not against it after doing the research. NikkiCFC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 10,208 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Tomo said: I was pretty much obsessed with signing Enzo from the minute I saw him play a 90 minute match, here's me stating as such before he exploded in the world cup. Caicedo not so much at that point but I'm certainly not against it after doing the research. I remember you posting that before he blew up so I researched him and immediately fell in love with also. Can't quite believe we have actually got him with us. I share your sentiment with Caicedo too... I'm not as desperate to sign him but he is a classy player who I would be very happy if we did manage to pull it off. Tomo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, robsblubot said: Yes, they really wanted to be here as they signed their best contracts yet. For some, this will be their first and only stint at an elite club. "that's halfway to success." No, it really isn't. It's far easier to find will and determination than quality in football. The PL itself should be evidence enough. A lot of the smaller teams show the biggest heart and dedication you see in the league, and yet that does not help them into top6. What allows you to win when competing against the best there is, is to have players of comparable quality. This season, we simply don't know the level of the newly acquired players; they may not even know themselves. It will be the first big challenge in their careers. I totally understand that the unknown, having a young squad hungry players can be exciting, but I reckon the odds are that not all players will come good. Some will be found out this season, and we will have to quickly replace them. There are many possible scenarios, some pretty bad, but it seems folks are optimistic. So let's see if they can at least hold their own. True,their quality is not a given. But in the past we had neither will&determination nor absolute top quality. I d rather have a group of young players with ambition potential and hunger who give it all for the shirt than watching some average has beens who fk off for a few extra quid after producing next to nothing for years. Edited August 4, 2023 by Magic Lamps lucio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Magic Lamps said: True,their quality is not a given. But in the past we had neither will&determination nor absolute top quality. I d rather have a group of young players with ambition potential and hunger who give it all for the shirt than watching some average has beens who fk off for a few extra quid after producing next to nothing for years. I'd say that the CL team was loaded with will and determination. Timo "ran like a dog" and Mount was relentless applying pressure. It was nice to see. Kai was the one a bit more on a free role, but still wasn't the lazy player he's been in the last couple of seasons. We had Kante too! Rudiger had tons of energy esp making runs. Tactical knowledge is quality too... do these player have it already? Honestly, I even expect some of these players to drop form at some point during the season... it's normal. We will see very soon, but I sincerely do not see enough quality in the squad to warrant such optimism. Won't be complaining one bit for being wrong here, but that's what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireBlue 3,341 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 9 hours ago, DDA said: Some financial experts in here.. i could imagine you lot are pretty wealthy by the way some of you go on! Well I got some seaside property in Birmingham you might interested in, just give me a shout! Very interested, as long as it's situated near the angel of the north...... DDA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 7 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: There's never been world class player from Ecuador. So history and math is not on Caicedo side. What are the odds he is the first one? Valencia is most famous but nothing special. For 100m we should expect prime Kante from day one. Just saying Caicedo is not sure thing like we would like to believe. And this is me, who said back in December that my dream MF is Enzo and Caicedo. Isn't Paez already WC? 😄 😄 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,763 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 DH1988 and Fernando 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, Strike said: Joke, we wanted him for Jorginho backup in Sarri season. What is he supposed to give us now? Even if it's about Enzo, most of the time Argentinian MF 3 was: Enzo, AMA and De Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,666 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 hour ago, robsblubot said: I'd say that the CL team was loaded with will and determination. Timo "ran like a dog" and Mount was relentless applying pressure. It was nice to see. Kai was the one a bit more on a free role, but still wasn't the lazy player he's been in the last couple of seasons. We had Kante too! Rudiger had tons of energy esp making runs. Tactical knowledge is quality too... do these player have it already? Honestly, I even expect some of these players to drop form at some point during the season... it's normal. We will see very soon, but I sincerely do not see enough quality in the squad to warrant such optimism. Won't be complaining one bit for being wrong here, but that's what I see. You can't be loaded with will and determination then put up pathetic performances the seasons after winning a UCL title. That would mean the players rose to the occasion but they weren't actually that good (or they just don't care and were just here to pick up their nice wage packets) and that was proven by the disaster we've been through with Potter/Lampard in charge. I don't mind seeing some of these younger players keen to take on the challenge, feels like it's been a while since we've seen that sort of energy and positive play on the pitch. Most of the deadwood is gone, so its like a fresh start for Poch, he just needs to find a partner for Enzo ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Paredes would only make sense as a backup option to Enzo, not as an alternative to Caicedo. They're literally nothing alike as player types. robsblubot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,730 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 These names banded about are the same as what Brighton are doing with supposed unnamed bidder- It's all part of the wrangling in deals Strike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,516 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 7 hours ago, Mário César said: if we get caicedo, olise/kudus and vlahovic, we have an obligation to fight for the champions league places. If we get no one we have that obligation. Not to fight but to be there. I see everywhere, opposite fans, media, bookmakers everyone is predicting us 4th or 5th place. This is bare minimum in any scenario. I'm not going to praise Poch for finishing 5th and getting CL place. For that he needs to do much more. Cup win and top3 with great football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,730 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Disasi confirmed and announced bluesman2610 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ulvhedin 526 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Disasi confirmed and announced Wonder what will happen with Chalobah, no room for him anymore, but no rumors of him leaving recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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