Vesper 30,219 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jas said: Not saying Dortmund will reject our bid, if we do submit a big offer, but it is balancing act they will have to consider between staying competitive and pocketing money from transfers. Let's not forget that they also just sold Sancho and have money now. Plus they will continue to get big money in years to come by selling the likes of Bellingham, Reyna etc (aside from Haaland). I am not predicting what they will do, just giving my opinion that they are fools to shit away an extra €75-100m (depending on our offer, and an extra €85-110m IF the release clause in only €65m next year, not €75m) all for only one more year of Håland, especially given the unique low point of this market pricing matrix atm my dog the team I could build with €250-275m net zero spend in this market, especially given some of their players they already have not only CL qualifying but for sure Bundesliga title contenders (Bayern will soon not have a completely prime Lewa and many of their players are unhappy with contracts, including the linchpins Kimmich and Goretzka) play their cards right, they could be true CL threats down the nearish road, even with no Håland or Sancho these are hardly dogshit players they already have they just need to strengthen the back 4 plus a CF and some MFers and winger or two Gregor Kobel great young Swiss GKer they just signed Manuel Akanji Dan-Axel Zagadou Raphaël Guerreiro Thomas Meunier Emre Can Thomas Delaney Axel Witsel (ageing though) Jude Bellingham (granted will leave in a year or two) Mahmoud Dahoud Giovanni Reyna (same as Bellingham) Julian Brandt Reinier (on loan from RM) Marco Reus (ageing though) Thorgan Hazard Youssoufa Moukoko (potential absolute monster and is only 16yo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Vesper said: I am not predicting what they will do, just giving my opinion that they are fools to shit away an extra €75-100m (depending on our offer, and an extra €85-110m IF the release clause in only €65m next year, not €75m) all for only one more year of Håland, especially given the unique low point of this market pricing matrix atm my dog the team I could build with €250-275m net zero spend in this market, especially given some of their players they already have not only CL qualifying but for sure Bundesliga title contenders (Bayern will soon not have a completely prime Lewa and many of their players are unhappy with contracts, including the linchpins Kimmich and Goretzka) play their cards right, they could be true CL threats down the nearish road, even with no Håland or Sancho these are hardly dogshit players they already have they just need to strengthen the back 4 plus a CF and some MFers and winger or two Gregor Kobel great young Swiss GKer they just signed Manuel Akanji Dan-Axel Zagadou Raphaël Guerreiro Thomas Meunier Emre Can Thomas Delaney Axel Witsel (ageing though) Jude Bellingham (granted will leave in a year or two) Mahmoud Dahoud Giovanni Reyna (same as Bellingham) Julian Brandt Reinier (on loan from RM) Marco Reus (ageing though) Thorgan Hazard Youssoufa Moukoko (potential absolute monster and is only 16yo) Well, too lazy to argue more over this. Guess we'll see what happens if we throw in big offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, Jas said: Well, too lazy to argue more over this. Guess we'll see what happens if we throw in big offer. I am not even arguing, lol I have no clue what is going to happen same as the rest of us nothing is ever, ever easy with Chelsea we are the only club to break through into the highest realms of the old giant ones (like RM, Barca, Pool, Manure, Bayern, Juve) in decades and some of the them have long since fallen out, like AC Milan and Ajax PSG and Citeh are pretenders to the throne they can smash up the league, but fail always at the big boy level Inter has always been half in, half out, and they did break through for one fairly recent season (the treble under Mou) but now are in the process of destroying a truly great side Juve is one of the giants, but they are horrific in CL finals, they have only won two, 1985 and 1996, and lost SEVEN Atleti are 0 for 3 Benfica is long since gone as a power and had a horrid 2 and 5 record anyway Juve, Atletico, and Benfica are a combined 4 wins, FIFTEEN losses in CL/European Cup finals Forest ( 2 wins, no losses in finals) are not even in topflight footie for ages Porto have won both finals (Mou again for the last one) they were in but are hardly an elite club that is every single multiple winner accounted for (plus Atletico tossed in for showing failure) these are the only other winners not listed above look at the dates, ages ago none of them have a chance to win again, barring Dortmund (would take a tremendous amount of luck for them) PSG, Atletico (the least likely of the 3), and Citeh are the only clubs without a win that remotely have a chance as it now stands to even join the ranks as new winners I absolutely cannot see Arse or Spuds winning one anytime soon it's a pretty closed loop system, has been for ages The only teams who could have won it for the first time (ands not listed not listed above) in the past 30 season are Valencia (double losers 2000 and 2001, as is Reims, but that was in the 1950's for them), Neverkusen (2003), and Monaco (2004), and the last time any of them made the final was 18 seasons ago All 4 of those newbie title shots happened 2000-2004) In fact, remove Sampdoria ('92) and Roma ('84), and you have to go back to the 1970's to find a failed new winner chance (for a club not listed above or one that finally did win it, Marseille won in '93 after failing in '91). We are the only club to break though as new winners since the early and mid 90's with Dortmund, Barca, Marseille, and Red Star Belgrade (the last two will so likely never win one again) Barca got so lucky as they did not have to face the greatest AC Milan side ever (the undefeated 1991-92 team) as Milan was banned from the CL that year, due to them walking off the pitch in the 'lights out' game versus Marseille in March, 1991. If that had not happened (and AC Milan had beaten Barca in the '92 CL), Barca would have only won their first ever CL/EC in 2006 (when Arse choked, blew a 1 nil lead in the last 14 minutes). In other words, Barca would have ZERO European Cups/CL's without Messi on their roster. They really are Messi FC when it comes to highest of levels. OhForAGreavsie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,077 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Atomiswave said: PSG is PSG mate, a piss poor league, massive wages, not much pressure compared to Chels and EPL where the expectation is high under a manager that demands you are on it at all times. Life is most def easier at PSG vs Chels. We dodged a bullet. I agree that the quality of PSG relative to their league and the quality of Chelsea relative to ours makes it easier for a player to be effective and look impressive in Paris. If Hakimi is indeed thinking strategically about plotting his way back to Madrid however, I'm not sure that setting himself up to play the flat track bully in league football is the best way to impress. Looking good for Paris in Ligue 1 won't turn many heads when everyone believes that it is easy to look good for Paris in Ligue 1. The relative domestic power of PSG and Chelsea means that while there is a restless ambition for success in the DNA of modern Chelsea, it is in Paris, not London, where ambition turns to expectation. All of us recognise that you don't spend the money PSG has inorder to win Ligue 1. The whole reason-detre of modern PSG is Champions League success but I don't see why the pressure to achieve European glory should be a hindrance to a footballer seeking to impress. How better to catch Madrid's eye than to win the trophy they covet more than any other? This is where PSG's domestic dominance does come in handy. You have to be in it to win it and PSG's annual participation in the Champions League is guaranteed where Chelsea's is not. If Hakimi's ultimate goal is to earn a transfer back to Real then his choice of Paris over London is a logical one. From Chelsea's point of view the best response is to set about changing the mind of the next young young player we might be in competition with PSG over. The best way the start doing that would be to become the first English club in more than a generation to retain Europe's top trophy. In fact I'd argue winning the Champions League this year would make us the first English club to retain Europe's top trophy. Although my opinion on this is seen as controversial by many I am absolutely irrevocably convinced that the old European Cup was a Mickey Mouse trophy compared to the Champions League. Do it Blues. Edited July 11, 2021 by OhForAGreavsie Atomiswave, Vesper and Johnnyeye 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said: Although my opinion on this is seen as controversial by many I am absolutely irrevocably convinced that the old European Cup was a Mickey Mouse trophy compared to the Champions League. completely true a profound lack of black and other non white players, plus far fewer teams to beat off to win most of the worshipped vermin scouser teams from the 1970's and early mid 80's would get the fuck pounded out of them by the CL winners of the past 20 years or so they simply did not have the athletes due to the racist redlining of black players for the most part even when they did start to integrate, again going back to that pure shithole that is Liverpool you had cunts in the late 1980's tossing babanas at black players and fuckall was done about it hell, that still goes on in Italy and elsewhere' 1988 Goodison: we (Chels) did not have a black player until Paul Canoville, who first played topflight footie with us in 1984-85 (joined in 1981 when we were in the 2nd division) he was treated like dogshit by our own fucking supporters I am honest when I say that if I was 15-20 years older or so, I likely NEVER would have supported Chelsea, due to just horrid racism of the old fan base my father struggled dearly with it for ages back in the day, having a black wife and interracial children different world back then, so fucking glad I missed the worst (certainly not all, unfortunately) of it I am sure I will ripped for this post, but I do not give a toss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 'Better than Declan Rice' - Chelsea fans eye alternative midfield option after transfer update Chelsea fans have set their sights on a cut-price alternative to Declan Rice following a transfer update from France https://www.football.london/Chelsea-fc/transfer-news/Chelsea-declan-rice-transfer-update-21022148 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Chelsea should sell Kurt Zouma https://ninetyminutesonline.com/Chelsea-should-sell-kurt-zouma/ After winning the Champions League last season, Chelsea boss Thomas Tuchel will be looking to build a team that is worthy of winning the Premier League. The Blues last won the English top-flight in 2017 under the guidance of Antonio Conte. Almost four years is an eternity by their standards and they will be looking to end this run soon. The West London club will be looking to offload some players this summer to free up space within the squad and free up wages. One player that they should sell is Kurt Zouma. According to Telefoot’s Julien Maynard, the Frenchman could leave the club with a number of teams believed to be interested in him including Tottenham, Everton, Wolves and Roma. Since joining Chelsea from Saint-Etienne in 2014, Zouma has found himself in and out of the first-team and has been unable to truly establish himself as a regular part of the first-team. Under Frank Lampard Zouma got his fair share of first-team action but he once again found himself on the fringes of the first-team following the employment of Tuchel and the return of Antonio Rudiger. Ideally, Chelsea should look to sell Zouma rather than loan him out. He is now 26-years-old and is unlikely to get significantly better as a player than he currently is. Considering he has failed to fully settle into the club so far, it is unlikely that he could fully do so. Letting him move on may also present him with an opportunity to move to an environment where he will fully settle into while also thrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Manchester United 'very close’ to Raphael Varane transfer breakthrough as saga nears end Manchester United are looking increasingly likely to win the race for Real Madrid star Raphael Varane. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1461115/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Raphael-Varane-Real-Madrid-breakthrough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,219 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Tottenham transfer shortlist: Three players Nuno may sign to keep Harry Kane Nuno could bring a few players to the club to tempt Kane to stick around. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1461076/Tottenham-transfers-Nuno-Espirito-Santo-Harry-Kane roflmaooo the first one just agreed to go to Lyon Andre Onana that leaves Jules Kounde Ousmane Dembele a dwarf CB and a £130m flop soooooooooo spursy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Vesper said: Tottenham transfer shortlist: Three players Nuno may sign to keep Harry Kane Nuno could bring a few players to the club to tempt Kane to stick around. https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1461076/Tottenham-transfers-Nuno-Espirito-Santo-Harry-Kane roflmaooo the first one just agreed to go to Lyon Andre Onana that leaves Jules Kounde Ousmane Dembele a dwarf CB and a £130m flop soooooooooo spursy I see spurs having a terrible window. Regardless of whether Kane is sold or kept. That 150m would just go to waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NikkiCFC 8,334 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Happy with Mendy but I always wanted Donnarumma before anyone else. Such a shame. Vybz Kartel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl1994 188 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 31 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said: Happy with Mendy but I always wanted Donnarumma before anyone else. Such a shame. If we didn’t have Mendy we should have gone all out for him but you can’t keep two goalkeepers like that happy imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashishi 148 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Styl1994 said: If we didn’t have Mendy we should have gone all out for him but you can’t keep two goalkeepers like that happy imo. We have big problems when AFCON comes around. Can't have Kepa in goal for a month.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hashishi said: We have big problems when AFCON comes around. Can't have Kepa in goal for a month.... Whilst it's hardly ideal, I think even if Mendy was away for the duration, it may only be something like 2 league games and a round or two of the FA Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avrobsws 29 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said: Happy with Mendy but I always wanted Donnarumma before anyone else. Such a shame. Exactly, Donnarumma is the future and we should have snapped him. Mendy is close to 30's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,383 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, avrobsws said: Exactly, Donnarumma is the future and we should have snapped him. Mendy is close to 30's. As if GK’s career die at 30s Strike and killer1257 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styl1994 188 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 32 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said: Whilst it's hardly ideal, I think even if Mendy was away for the duration, it may only be something like 2 league games and a round or two of the FA Cup. You still can’t have two elite keepers because of 2 weeks till a month lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Styl1994 said: You still can’t have two elite keepers because of 2 weeks till a month lol I completely agree, it's not ideal but you don't have much choice but to trust the backup in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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