Chelsea Transfers

[King Kante 1,524]

1 hour ago, Pizy said:

Either our club have become masterful at keeping things secret from even the most reliable journalists since all of them are silent regarding us or we really aren’t doing anything yet.

If Haaland is our main target and if we actually planned on trying to get him surely we would’ve started the process by now? He’s not at the Euro’s, the window has been open for a while, and preseason training is starting for clubs across Europe soon. It’s not like we’ve had to wait for some sort of deadline before we could make our move.

The fact that we’ve known for months that a striker is needed and didn’t immediately spring on one once the window started probably means that Haaland is impossible this summer. 

I think there are a few issues at play here. 

1) Last Summer we had a mega blow out. Now the squad is ridiculously bloated and we need to sell/loan before we buy. This is starting to happen: Tomori (£25m), Moses (£4m), Van Ginkle (free), Izzy Brown (free), Pantic (Free), Gilmour (loan.) However, we're probably going to need to do quite a bit more before we buy. 

2) Chelsea are a very, very active club on social media. Apparently, we have the most interactions of any club in world football by a good distance. Chelsea is something like 210m, whereas Barca, who are second, have 180m. 

In my opinion, there is absolutely zero chance Chelsea announce a signing like Håland during the middle of International football competitions (Euros/Copa + doubly so with England in the Semi's) and other big Summer tournaments (Wimbledon / Olympics; although not sure much can be done to avoid the Olympics.)

3) A deal like Håland is going to take all Summer. Dortmund are going to need to look like they've done everything to keep him and squeezed maximum value from any club that buys him. So, again it isn't getting done early. People will point to Sancho and Hakimi but they're slightly different situations. First is that Sancho's deal actually took a year to complete and Inter had to sell Hakimi early to cover costs. 

4) We have a few renewals we need to do fairly quickly. Rudi and AC. I can see the club wanting to get those done first as to not increase their demands when any new players start walking through the doors with bumper contracts. 

That said, why we haven't got a GK2/GK3 is a mystery. That position is one where a player is 100% needed and it isn't a type of signing that is affecting by the above. Only way this may make sense is if the club are targeting a player under contract and/or are seriously trying to shift Kepa and don't want to weaken their hand. 

Lastly, Håland has always seemed like a very unlikely deal. I have always maintained that he is something like a, at best, 20% shot. 

My only hope however is that we don't panic. If we cannot get him, then I would rather roll with Tammy and Giroud than start buying players like Ings and Belotti who all have potential future dreg written all over them.

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Given Barca's position, if the top striking targets are unobtainable this summer I wouldn't be against taking Griezmann off them for a season loan. 

I think he would mesh well in our current setup, and he's always had a good work ethic and eye for goal.

Griezmann is on €800k a week and has tailed off in the last 12 months. Even on a wage only deal he is €41.6m a year or €20.8m on half wages. I personally would go nowhere near that deal when negotiating contracts with a couple of important players; Rudi and AC. 

Edited July 6, 2021 by King Kante
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[Syltherin 25]

which one is worth?

2017 : Neymar (25 y.o) to PSG for transfer fee €222m with wages around €500k/week (including add-ons)

or

2021 : Haaland (21 y.o) to Chelsea for transfer fee €150m with wages around €400k/week (including add-ons)

[Jase 43,479]

5 minutes ago, King Kante said:

I think there are a few issues at play here. 

1) Last Summer we had a mega blow out. Now the squad is ridiculously bloated and we need to sell/loan before we buy. This is starting to happen: Tomori (£25m), Moses (£4m), Van Ginkle (free), Izzy Brown (free), Pantic (Free), Gilmour (loan.) However, we're probably going to need to do quite a bit more before we buy. 

2) Chelsea are a very, very active club on social media. Apparently, we have the most interactions of any club in world football by a good distance. Chelsea is something like 210m, whereas Barca, who are second, have 180m. 

In my opinion, there is absolutely zero chance Chelsea announce a signing like Håland during the middle of a International football competitions (especially with England in the Semi's) and other Summer tournaments.

3) A deal like Håland is going to take all Summer. Dortmund are going to need to look like they've done everything to keep him and squeezed maximum value from any club that buys him. So, again it isn't getting done early. People will point to Sancho and Hakimi but they're slightly different situations. First is that Sancho's deal actually took a year to complete and Inter had to sell Hakimi early to cover costs. 

4) We have a few renewals we need to do fairly quickly. Rudi and AC. I can see the club wanting to get those done first as to not increase their demands when any new players start walking through the doors with bumper contracts. 

That said, why we haven't got a GK2/GK3 is a mystery. That is actually needed and isn't a type of signing that is affecting by the above. Only way this may make sense is if the club are targeting a player under contract and/or are seriously trying to shift Kepa and don't want to weaken their hand. 

Starting negotiations and announcing a deal during a summer international tournament are two different things though. 

Another thing to consider is that whether the club want to blow our entire transfer budget on one player (especially when you count the agent fees, wages on top of the transfer fee) OR use the money to improve other areas in the squad this summer. We still keep seeing stories about us being linked with other players and I can't see us buying those players if we get Haaland or can't see us buying Haaland if we get those players.

12 minutes ago, King Kante said:

1) Last Summer we had a mega blow out. Now the squad is ridiculously bloated and we need to sell/loan before we buy. This is starting to happen: Tomori (£25m), Moses (£4m), Van Ginkle (free), Izzy Brown (free), Pantic (Free), Gilmour (loan.) However, we're probably going to need to do quite a bit more before we buy. 

No offence to those players but all but two of them were irrelevant to the first team squad. So, I highly doubt their exits make any difference at all. And loaning Gilmour out might mean we'll buy a midfielder this summer.

[jandomi10 82]

Chelsea have already made an offer to Romelu Lukaku in terms of personal terms. [@DeanJonesSoccer via@terryflewers]

[Fulham Broadway 16,966]

100m -150m - Might be more economical to teach Timo the offside rule

[whats happening 1,542]

there is 0 excuse for this board that they cant do the haaland deal if the personal terms are agreed. 0.

[Tomo 21,733]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

I think there are a few issues at play here. 

1) Last Summer we had a mega blow out. Now the squad is ridiculously bloated and we need to sell/loan before we buy. This is starting to happen: Tomori (£25m), Moses (£4m), Van Ginkle (free), Izzy Brown (free), Pantic (Free), Gilmour (loan.) However, we're probably going to need to do quite a bit more before we buy. 

2) Chelsea are a very, very active club on social media. Apparently, we have the most interactions of any club in world football by a good distance. Chelsea is something like 210m, whereas Barca, who are second, have 180m. 

In my opinion, there is absolutely zero chance Chelsea announce a signing like Håland during the middle of International football competitions (Euros/Copa + doubly so with England in the Semi's) and other big Summer tournaments (Wimbledon / Olympics; although not sure much can be done to avoid the Olympics.)

3) A deal like Håland is going to take all Summer. Dortmund are going to need to look like they've done everything to keep him and squeezed maximum value from any club that buys him. So, again it isn't getting done early. People will point to Sancho and Hakimi but they're slightly different situations. First is that Sancho's deal actually took a year to complete and Inter had to sell Hakimi early to cover costs. 

4) We have a few renewals we need to do fairly quickly. Rudi and AC. I can see the club wanting to get those done first as to not increase their demands when any new players start walking through the doors with bumper contracts. 

That said, why we haven't got a GK2/GK3 is a mystery. That position is one where a player is 100% needed and it isn't a type of signing that is affecting by the above. Only way this may make sense is if the club are targeting a player under contract and/or are seriously trying to shift Kepa and don't want to weaken their hand. 

Lastly, Håland has always seemed like a very unlikely deal. I have always maintained that he is something like a, at best, 20% shot. 

My only hope however is that we don't panic. If we cannot get him, then I would rather roll with Tammy and Giroud than start buying players like Ings and Belotti who all have potential future dreg written all over them.

Griezmann is on €800k a week and has tailed off in the last 12 months. Even on a wage only deal he is €41.6m a year or €20.8m on half wages. I personally would go nowhere near that deal when negotiating contracts with a couple of important players; Rudi and AC. 

Apparently GK3 is going to be Wayne Hennesy, GK2 obviously depends on Kepa finishing a new home.

[Pizy 18,513]

I know people like to comfort themselves by saying “these huge transfer deals take a long time,” but surely in the case of someone like Haaland it actually makes it more unlikely we could do a deal the later in the window it gets? It would be difficult enough for Dortmund to find an adequate replacement right now when there’s still months left to go. It will be impossible if they were to sell him near the deadline.

It seems increasingly likely that Dortmund will do what we did with Eden. Squeeze one more super productive season out of him, secure CL qualification, then let him leave next summer. 

[Tomo 21,733]

If (as it looking likely) we will have to think outside the box a bit for striker options, would Weghorst be a good option?

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

If (as it looking likely) we will have to think outside the box a bit for striker options, would Weghorst be a good option?

29 in August. Not sure how many years we’d get out of him and at what quality. 

[Alabama 1,992]

Lukaku it is...

[Tomo 21,733]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

29 in August. Not sure how many years we’d get out of him and at what quality. 

Possibly but if we can't get Haaland there's every chance TT will go for Kai at false 9 with a striker as another option/safety net.

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 minute ago, Alabama said:

Lukaku it is...

I honestly can't stand Lukaku. He is pretty average IMHO. First touch of Andy Cole and relies on pace, which is the first thing to go...

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 minute ago, Tomo said:

Possibly but if we can't get Haaland there's every chance TT will go for Kai at false 9 with a striker as another option/safety net.

Would prefer this to Lukaku 👍

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

3 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Possibly but if we can't get Haaland there's every chance TT will go for Kai at false 9 with a striker as another option/safety net.

Should just keep Tammy then. Seems like a waste of resources. 

[Vesper 29,169]

7 hours ago, Styl1994 said:

Tchouameni would be the guy imo

this!!!!

[Vesper 29,169]

lol

[avrobsws 29]

1 hour ago, jandomi10 said:

Chelsea have already made an offer to Romelu Lukaku in terms of personal terms. [@DeanJonesSoccer via@terryflewers]

No need to offer Lukaku, offer Haaland instead and get it done asap else we will regret for ages.