Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

6 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I think what is more alarming is the lack of selling dead wood. Training starts today and we really have not moved any players that probably will never play a minute this year. 
 

it has been a snooze transfer window. Tuchel comes in, wins the CL, and no marque signings.

To be fair from what it sounds Tuchel wanted the opportunity to assess these players before deciding if they should be moved on or not. Given the amount of players who have been at the Euro's and will be back late for pre season, these players will have a couple of weeks where they won't be lost in the shuffle and get some proper time to work and speak with Tuchel and vice versa. Otherwise he'd be starting up today with about 8 - 10 players from the first team squad and the rest filled up from the academy.

There were some players before Tuchel came in who looked to be on the outer and are now important players within the squad so it's not a foregone conclusion that all of these players are just automatically binned off. If Tuchel finds one player to be "salvaged from the scrapheap" that he thinks can do a job within the squad this coming season then that process has been well worth it in my opinion.

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4 hours ago, avrobsws said:

Similar to 2017 you mean likes of Waterboy ? Zap ? all useless dolts.

17/18 transfer summer window mate.....oh what a horrible transfer window it was

4 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

People do realise we blew everyone out of the water last summer with our spending and it has to be deemed a success because of what we ended up winning.

United could have had Sancho last summer but chose to bide their time. It's been a deal that has likely been in the works for over a year so it's hardly like this would have dragged on for another summer. Also they are in talks to sign Camavinga but it's no foregone conclusion. If he is as good as some people on here think and given the price I would expect PSG at the least will be looking at him.

People need to give everything time. We've always been extremely quiet with our transfer dealings to the point where even the top tier journalists I don't think know as much as they make out (not at least until much later in negotiations). The Pulisic deal which was a massive transfer considering the price and his standing in the US was completely under wraps until it was being announced and seemed to come completely out of the blue with no real rumours beforehand.

I'm sure the club are looking to strengthen but there's a big difference between strengthening and adding. If we're trying to shop as close to the top table as possible, those deals are much harder to get done, even more so with the Euros currently on. Let's assess things at the end of this window.

We need to add quality to get closer to the finished puzzle, we must add quality now or we will suffer along the way I guarantee. Last summer was last summer and we did very well indeed but now is the time to aspire to get better. Sit on the chair and play with your balls and we will come to regret it......especially when others around us are going for it.

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9 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Going to be interesting what CM we will land. 

IF we do buy a CMF, I SO hope he comes from this list of 10 (plus two youth who I would let them develop more where they are)
 
Sergej Milinković-Savić   
Nicolò Barella (can play in a double pivot DMF role as well, as close as your see out there to Kante atm, but with more technical skils, a pitbull)
Eduardo Camavinga   (DMF as well) 
Youri Tielemans   
Franck Kessié (had a monster year, 20 total goals produced, 14 goals + 6 assists)
Houssem Aouar   
Carlos Soler   
Saúl Ñíguez   
Ryan Gravenberch   
Bruno Guimarães 
 

the 2 youth

Jude Bellingham (I would wait a year or two and let him further develop)
Ilaix Moriba (I would wait a year or two and let him further develop)

[Tomo 21,733]

If Barcelona are as fucked as @King Kanteis suggesting I wouldnt be against testing the waters for De Jong.

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37 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

17/18 transfer summer window mate.....oh what a horrible transfer window it was

We need to add quality to get closer to the finished puzzle, we must add quality now or we will suffer along the way I guarantee. Last summer was last summer and we did very well indeed but now is the time to aspire to get better. Sit on the chair and play with your balls and we will come to regret it......especially when others around us are going for it.

Who exactly is 'going for it'?

United so far have brought in a player they were trying desperately to buy last summer. That's it. There's lots of rumours but ultimately very little movement in the window currently.

I highly doubt the club is just sitting on it's hands reluctant to do business but you had the right word in your statement. It's about 'quality'. Until we've exhausted all possibility of getting first choice targets, I'd rather we didn't just easily settle for moving on to alternative's because they may be easier to complete. 

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7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Who exactly is 'going for it'?

United so far have brought in a player they were trying desperately to buy last summer. That's it. There's lots of rumours but ultimately very little movement in the window currently.

I highly doubt the club is just sitting on it's hands reluctant to do business but you had the right word in your statement. It's about 'quality'. Until we've exhausted all possibility of getting first choice targets, I'd rather we didn't just easily settle for moving on to alternative's because they may be easier to complete. 

Imagine if we "went for it" in January 2020 and loaded our squad with Gedson, Bergwijn, Ighalo, Pablo Mari and Cedric.

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

If Barcelona are as fucked as @King Kanteis suggesting I wouldnt be against testing the waters for De Jong.

because he is under contract for until summer 2026 and they would demand Coutinho level money

why would we help bail them out when there are similar level (at least in the ball park) MFers at a fraction of the cost?

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Who exactly is 'going for it'?

United so far have brought in a player they were trying desperately to buy last summer. That's it. There's lots of rumours but ultimately very little movement in the window currently.

I highly doubt the club is just sitting on it's hands reluctant to do business but you had the right word in your statement. It's about 'quality'. Until we've exhausted all possibility of getting first choice targets, I'd rather we didn't just easily settle for moving on to alternative's because they may be easier to complete. 

Im not suggesting we are just sitting doing nothing though, just lack of any activity or so it seems. Yes utd got Sancho, most likely will get Camavinga, Pool got Konate was it? More will come for sure. And we all know City will go amok thats a given. Yup for sure mate we need quality, I rather we dont settle for second tier again.....much rather we go with what we have than repeating what we did in 17-18 cuz that was some proper bullshit.

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4 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Im not suggesting we are just sitting doing nothing though, just lack of any activity or so it seems. Yes utd got Sancho, most likely will get Camavinga, Pool got Konate was it? More will come for sure. And we all know City will go amok thats a given. Yup for sure mate we need quality, I rather we dont settle for second tier again.....much rather we go with what we have than repeating what we did in 17-18 cuz that was some proper bullshit.

The problem is too many people are moaning that we haven't signed anyone yet but there just has not been much done. Still a lot of if's, but's and maybe's.

I'm sure if the opportunity arises the likes of United, City and Liverpool will all attempt to strengthen, but I am also confident that we will too.  

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13 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The problem is too many people are moaning that we haven't signed anyone yet but there just has not been much done. Still a lot of if's, but's and maybe's.

I'm sure if the opportunity arises the likes of United, City and Liverpool will all attempt to strengthen, but I am also confident that we will too.  

Heres for the best

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12 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Well talking about opportunities to strengthen Camavinga is there for 30-40 millions while we're insistently trying to sign a worse and more expensive player in Rice, it doesn't matter if were trying if we're continuously looking in the wrong place.

We will be fine in the short term with Tuchel I believe, but long term United and City will play us off the park by getting all these talents, especially when Ole gets replaced.

 

 

Is he actually a much better player or is this another "Regullion and Telles are better than Chilwell" type thing?

Fyi I don't want Rice here but all these Tom, Dick and Harry's that are supposedly better than him screams a more going for the exotic name thing.

2 minutes ago, Hermione said:

From what I gather and read people aren't exactly worried we're waiting for the right player to become available, that's perfectly fine and reasonable but more so worried because we're playing the waiting game for players like Rice and Lukaku, that's the main issue. If the club decided to wait until the likes of Camavinga, Tchouameni, De jong become attainable I highly doubt anyone would be as worried.

Fact of the matter people can say what they want about us keeping all targets close to our chests and not releasing anything to the press but our most reliable sources claim we're targeting the likes of Rice, Lukaku which is why many are getting worried.

Rice okay but are the links to Rom really all that strong? Certainly not compared to when Conte was here anyway.

Furthermore you never know which player's going under the radar now will be a player to have a major breakthrough season who would be a perfect fit for us next year, case in point Diego Costa went from a nobody in 2013 to the answer to all our prayers 12 months later, Alison went from a backup keeper to the most in demand keeper in the world in a year (not that we need a new number one keeper anytime soon).

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25 minutes ago, Hermione said:

Well talking about opportunities to strengthen Camavinga is there for 30-40 millions while we're insistently trying to sign a worse and more expensive player in Rice, it doesn't matter if were trying if we're continuously looking in the wrong place.

We will be fine in the short term with Tuchel I believe, but long term United and City will play us off the park by getting all these talents, especially when Ole gets replaced.

Maybe he is the second coming and over time it could be a great signing but from what I've seen so far of him Camavinga's reputation seems to be bigger than what he's actually accomplished. Renato Sanches is another who seems to be lauded as this great player but I just don't see it.

Maybe they're really good players in Fifa or Football Manager and that's why they get more love then I think they deserve at this stage.

I'm not completely sold on Rice. I do think he's better then some people give him credit for and as a defensive midfield option and a bit of muscle and size into the midfield I think we could do a lot worse. However I'm yet to be convinced his ability on the ball is up to scratch to play at the highest level and the price West Ham will ask for is astronomical. Having said that our transfer activity since the 2017 debacle has been very good, Kepa aside, and I can only be confident that whomever we target, we can continue this trend.

[Superblue 6,372]

Ironically a couple of reports in France have cropped up today that we've been in touch with Camavinga's agent to register an interest.

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1 hour ago, Hermione said:

Well talking about opportunities to strengthen Camavinga is there for 30-40 millions while we're insistently trying to sign a worse and more expensive player in Rice, it doesn't matter if were trying if we're continuously looking in the wrong place.

no, only around £25m (€30m)

which is what is really killing me 🤬

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24 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Ironically a couple of reports in France have cropped up today that we've been in touch with Camavinga's agent to register an interest.

Camavinga will be a great sign but do we need him as we have Gilmore tbh he is on loan.

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Jorginho, Kova, Kante (minutes managed - starts less vs small teams, starts all important/knockout games) are great midfield options.

There is Gilmour to consider since he will likely be pushing for a place in the squad in 2022. I don't see how an 18 year old Camavinga makes sense for us. If anything, a solid screening CDM like Ndidi makes more sense.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Team needs a DM more than any other midfield type. 

Edited July 5, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Is he actually a much better player or is this another "Regullion and Telles are better than Chilwell" type thing?

Fyi I don't want Rice here but all these Tom, Dick and Harry's that are supposedly better than him screams a more going for the exotic name thing.

Rice okay but are the links to Rom really all that strong? Certainly not compared to when Conte was here anyway.

Furthermore you never know which player's going under the radar now will be a player to have a major breakthrough season who would be a perfect fit for us next year, case in point Diego Costa went from a nobody in 2013 to the answer to all our prayers 12 months later, Alison went from a backup keeper to the most in demand keeper in the world in a year (not that we need a new number one keeper anytime soon).

Yeah, there is always a case for waiting another year - There are talents that crop up every year but most football fans don't acknowledge this. The opportunity to sign Thiago Silva came up last year for example.

Lot more relaxed about the lack of activity this time than in 2015 or 17. This squad is filled with talented players across the pitch who are also mostly hardworkers off the ball. Tuchel's plan of adding 2-3 starters sounds good but if the right option in attack isn't available/too expensive, I am fine waiting this out and doing a year with Havertz as the false 9 than spend loads on Belotti or Andre Silva.