Chelsea Transfers

[Superblue 6,372]

11 minutes ago, avrobsws said:

Camavinga can move with the ball and put pressure on the box like Kante with his pace. Rice can hold but he cannot move along and he lacks pace big time.

Which emphasises my point. United don't need another player like that. All of their midfielders are a box to box style with varying degrees of quality. Ok he might be an upgrade on the likes of Fred and McTominay but he's not a holding midfielder.

I can remember when AVB used to try and play Ramires and Meireles together who were both of the same ilk and it leaves you far too susceptible to being played through.

United need a genuine defensive midfielder who is going to hold. Unless Camavinga is viewed as the replacement for Pogba or they'll work on him over time to fill that role, then they are only adding to what they already have.

[Superblue 6,372]

People do realise we blew everyone out of the water last summer with our spending and it has to be deemed a success because of what we ended up winning.

United could have had Sancho last summer but chose to bide their time. It's been a deal that has likely been in the works for over a year so it's hardly like this would have dragged on for another summer. Also they are in talks to sign Camavinga but it's no foregone conclusion. If he is as good as some people on here think and given the price I would expect PSG at the least will be looking at him.

People need to give everything time. We've always been extremely quiet with our transfer dealings to the point where even the top tier journalists I don't think know as much as they make out (not at least until much later in negotiations). The Pulisic deal which was a massive transfer considering the price and his standing in the US was completely under wraps until it was being announced and seemed to come completely out of the blue with no real rumours beforehand.

I'm sure the club are looking to strengthen but there's a big difference between strengthening and adding. If we're trying to shop as close to the top table as possible, those deals are much harder to get done, even more so with the Euros currently on. Let's assess things at the end of this window.

Edited July 5, 2021 by Superblue_1986

[Vesper 29,169]

Update

making headway

17 sorted (plus 5 new ones came in)

 

we now have 55 players to sort out, 

whether sell, keep on main team, loan out, renew, release, or keep on reserves/youth

Red means SELL/Release them FFS! (there is around £150 to £175m to be had (granted we will have to eat some of Kepa's salary I am afraid, just to move him even at a massive loss in terms of fee), and that is at super cut-rate prices, near zero in multiple cases, the depressing part is almost all are still fairly young and the total transfer fee cost was around £300m (some are academy), again just for those in red, and that is NOT counting massive salaries we have eaten on them, nor is it taking into account tens upon tens of millions in turned down decent offers (FAR greater than we will sell them for now) that we fucked off on and demanded insanely too high prices)

biggest font were just HORRIFICALLY stupid buys

 

Tammy Abraham
Marcos Alonso
Ethan Ampadu
Tino Anjorin
Tiemoué Bakayoko fuck off

Lewis Baker   insane he is still on the books, he turns 27yo this coming season, he has been here since 2005 (we had not yet even won our first EPL title under Roman yet when he joined in January), he is only a little over 2 years younger than me, ffs He has ONE appearance EVER for us, for THREE minutes, 7 and half years ago in a 3rd round FA Cup game v Derby

Thierno Ballo
Ross Barkley
Lewis Bate
Michy Batshuayi    insane he is still on the books
Lucas Bergström
Armando Broja
Josh Brooking
Juan Castillo
Trevoh Chalobah
Jake Clarke-Salter
Jamie Cumming
Danny Drinkwater    so fuck off, release his arse if need be, surely he has somehow violated his contract
Ben Elliott
Emerson
Bryan Fiabema
Conor Gallagher
Olivier Giroud
Marc Guéhi
Joe Haigh
Callum Hudson-Odoi
Kenedy    insane he is still on the books
Kepa    fuck this shit
Henry Lawrence
Tino Livramento
Ruben Loftus-Cheek
Ian Maatsen
Xavier Mbuyamba
Sam McClelland
George McEachran
Matt Miazga 
Charly Musonda Jr.     insane he is still on the books
George Nunn
Myles Peart-Harris
Abdul Rahman Baba     insane he is still on the books
Dion Rankine
Jon Russell
Malang Sarr 
Teddy Sharman-Lowe
Dynel Simeu
Xavier Simons  
Jude Soonsup-Bell
Dujon Sterling
Ike Ugbo
Tariq Uwakwe
Ethan Wady
Jayden Wareham
Davide Zappacosta    insane he is still on the books
Karlo Žiger
Kurt Zouma

Edited July 6, 2021 by Vesper

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1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

I just don't see 'it' in Camavinga.

In my opinion they need someone like Declan Rice more than we do. If we carry on with the back 3 formation then I don't think a bonafide DM is as necessary. Jorginho is better protected and whilst he isn't physically imposing or the most athletic, he's one of the most intelligent in that position and regularly puts up good numbers for interceptions, etc stopping attacks before they've really started.

For United they are desperate for a genuine holding DM to release Pogba and Bruno together. The likes of Mctominay and Fred aren't holders and Matic is way past his prime.

I just don't see Camavinga as that player, he'll be another to add to that midfield collection that can do a bit of everything but doesn't really seem to have a specialist role yet. Maybe United see that in him, he does have time on his side.

PSG would be a MUCH better fit

other than Verratti and Wijnaldum their MF is shit

[Pizy 18,514]

United are basically going to sign 3 players that would slot right into our team nicely. Three players who if Chelsea signed we’d be delighted with.

But no. It’s crickets here. 

[Vesper 29,169]

1 hour ago, avrobsws said:

Similar to 2017 you mean likes of Waterboy ? Zap ? all useless dolts.

(other than Rudiger and Giroud, disastrous, save for Barkley, BUT we will be lucky to break even now on him)

(+£9m is salary)

plus all those fucking INSANE turndowns of great offers for shite like Willian and Alsoso (£110m turned down just for those 2) (and we lost £50m + difference on Cuntois sale versus the year before, and that also led to panic buy of Kepa, so a close to £200m cockup on GOALKEEPERS)

 

summer 2017 through January 2018 damn near killed us

it will cost us over half a billion quid at the end of the day when all is said and done in lost revenues, shit buys, shit contract management, botched buys, botched sales via refusals, insane loans, etc

[Jase 43,479]

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[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

People need to give everything time. We've always been extremely quiet with our transfer dealings to the point where even the top tier journalists I don't think know as much as they make out (not at least until much later in negotiations).

I'd say it's kinda like 50-50 when we don't hear anything about transfer incomings. On one hand, it could be that nothing is happening at all and on the other hand, there could be something happening but journalists aren't getting the inside info. However, if it concerns signing a player from another league, I'd find it hard to believe if there's no info at all - whatever the info is - because there's two different media - one on each side. That's not to say if there is info, means it's true of course and sometimes, if it's just one making all the noise, it could be BS in the end. 

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

The Pulisic deal which was a massive transfer considering the price and his standing in the US was completely under wraps until it was being announced and seemed to come completely out of the blue with no real rumours beforehand.

There were reports linking us with Pulisic back then. Go to his transfer thread and you can track the stories.

 

[ulvhedin 508]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

Update

making headway

15 sorted (plus 5 new ones came in)

 

we now have 57 players to sort out, 

 

 

Can you post the list of 15 sorted players? And who are the 5 new ones?

[Vesper 29,169]

6 minutes ago, ulvhedin said:

Can you post the list of 15 sorted players? And who are the 5 new ones?

the new ones are from the reserve teams

Jayden Wareham 
Josh Brooking  
Ben Elliott  
Xavier Simons 
Joe Haigh   
 

and the sorted ones have been sold or loaned out or released

plus 2 I pulled off and sorted myself as there is sub zero chance they leave

AC and Jorginho

oh

it is down one more

so 56 now, not 57

Marcel Lewis was allowed to go on a free transfer

I will edit it

[Vesper 29,169]

these are ones on the list I am comfortable (some only if we fail to bring in replacements for) with keeping

Sr team (some will be loaned out)

Tammy Abraham
Marcos Alonso
Ethan Ampadu (loan out for sure, I am starting to think sell)
Tino Anjorin
Armando Broja
Conor Gallagher
Olivier Giroud (I would keep him one last year)
Marc Guéhi (loan out for sure)
Callum Hudson-Odoi
Tino Livramento (we CANNOT lose this lad, I will have an absolute FIT, I do NOT want a Musiala disastrous repeat)
Malang Sarr (loan out for sure, hopefully he comes good and we can sell him for a great profit, as he is not Chels level)

exception:

Kurt Zouma (it will be bad news if we do not sell and replace him IMHO, Tuchel clearly does NOT rate him for our side)

 

If we had kept

we would not have to look for a creative MF'er, ffs

massive cock-up

 

Youth

3 big prospects here atm

Thierno Ballo
Lewis Bate (potential baller)
Lucas Bergström
Josh Brooking
Juan Castillo (probably sell, very disappointed in his play, ajax could have had him for only €4m and they passed)
Trevoh Chalobah (getting to the point he might soon be on the sell list if he doesn't show a big move up in play)
Jamie Cumming
Ben Elliott
Bryan Fiabema
Joe Haigh
Henry Lawrence
Ian Maatsen 
Xavier Mbuyamba (hopefully he finally is healthy and starts to live up to his insane potential)
Sam McClelland
Luke McCormick
George McEachran
George Nunn
Myles Peart-Harris
Dion Rankine
Jon Russell
Teddy Sharman-Lowe
Dynel Simeu
Xavier Simons  
Jude Soonsup-Bell (potential big BALLER, scores for fun as a youth CF)
Ike Ugbo (probably will soon go on my sell list)
Tariq Uwakwe
Ethan Wady
Jayden Wareham
Karlo Žiger
 

Edited 5 minutes ago by Vesper

[Superblue 6,372]

39 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If we had kept

we would not have to look for a creative MF'er, ffs

massive cock-up

Edited 5 minutes ago by Vesper

Wasn't this a case of him wanting to leave rather than us wanting to get rid?

[Vesper 29,169]

7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Wasn't this a case of him wanting to leave rather than us wanting to get rid?

We so could have handled the whole thing better

[Superblue 6,372]

1 hour ago, Jas said:

There were reports linking us with Pulisic back then. Go to his transfer thread and you can track the stories.

 

I knew we'd had a few links with him thrown around but we get that with about 100 different players a season. I can't remember though there being really strong links to him signing for us over the few weeks prior to it being confirmed. Even a couple of days before it was confirmed there were still reports that Liverpool were favourites for him. Maybe I was just not paying any real attention at the time but it seemed like it really came out of the blue.

The main point though is everybody is losing their mind that we haven't signed anybody yet and it's effectively coming on the back that United have signed Sancho (who they've been trying to buy for a year) and they're in discussions with one other player. There has been hardly any movement so far in the market in general, I would expect to see more movement over the next 3-4 weeks as the Euros wrap up but ultimately the signings have to be right. United may have taken a year but they got the player they wanted rather than settling for a second rate alternative. We had to play a waiting game to sign Havertz last summer. Would people have preferred us then to instead use that money to buy an alternative because the negotiations for Havertz were long and drawn out? There's still plenty of time for movement, people need to relax a bit.

[Laylabelle 9,402]

United doing well. And will have players in for pre season. Good moves from them this time. See if it pays off.

[Superblue 6,372]

5 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

United doing well. And will have players in for pre season. Good moves from them this time. See if it pays off.

In Sancho's case he won't be in until much later in pre-season due to England's participation in the Euros.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,538]

I think what is more alarming is the lack of selling dead wood. Training starts today and we really have not moved any players that probably will never play a minute this year. 
 

it has been a snooze transfer window. Tuchel comes in, wins the CL, and no marque signings.

[MoroccanBlue 5,320]

Going to be interesting what CM we will land.