Todd Boehly Thread

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8 hours ago, OneMoSalah said:

Not going to lie, for me, this guy is nothing but an absolute mouthpiece. Not a fan. All he does is talk and talk and talk and talk. Journalists must love him though- plenty headlines to keep them busy.

Really? I haven't seen any interviews he's given since buying Chelsea. There's been lots of stories to digest and he's obviously been front and centre for pictures with new signings, etc. Is that any different to when the club did the same with Marina and a new signing or manager? He's hardly come out and had multiple interviews with the club or media outlets, if anything I'd have liked by now for him to have had a proper sit down interview for Chelsea fans to understand why he bought the club and his vision, goals, etc.

I thought the points he made were pretty good. It's easy to pick things out in isolation and take them completely out of context to make it sound like he's coming into the Premier League to try and change things and revolutionise it but he's merely throwing out suggestions. The funny thing is the furore caused about the North vs South suggestion was on the back of him discussing how important the football pyramid and ecosystem is, particularly in England and was mentioning it as a way to raise money to help with the funding for said pyramid. Easy to criticise an idea or concept but of all the critics, I haven't seen one offer an alternative solution to helping that same football pyramid and ecosystem.

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16 hours ago, Hermione said:

I lobbed the interview in the Watch Later playlist yesterday but I'm saving it for the journey to SB tonight.

I don't know if I'll be more enthusiastic when I hear TB describe and support his idea but on the face of it I'm not interested. We already have so many club fixtures plus a surfeit of internationals on top. I can't see this working or capturing my attention. Everybody lost interest in the Pro Bowl years ago and I lost interest in the All Star Game when MLB introduced regular inter league fixtures. Before then I confess it did matter to me that the NL won the game. (You'll guess from this that my team is an NL 'ball club'.)

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3 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Really? I haven't seen any interviews he's given since buying Chelsea. There's been lots of stories to digest and he's obviously been front and centre for pictures with new signings, etc. Is that any different to when the club did the same with Marina and a new signing or manager? He's hardly come out and had multiple interviews with the club or media outlets, if anything I'd have liked by now for him to have had a proper sit down interview for Chelsea fans to understand why he bought the club and his vision, goals, etc.

I thought the points he made were pretty good. It's easy to pick things out in isolation and take them completely out of context to make it sound like he's coming into the Premier League to try and change things and revolutionise it but he's merely throwing out suggestions. The funny thing is the furore caused about the North vs South suggestion was on the back of him discussing how important the football pyramid and ecosystem is, particularly in England and was mentioning it as a way to raise money to help with the funding for said pyramid. Easy to criticise an idea or concept but of all the critics, I haven't seen one offer an alternative solution to helping that same football pyramid and ecosystem.

Really? For me it seems he hasn’t stopped talking since buying the club. And talking a lot of nonsense too. After initially being impressed with him and how he seemed/initial transfer recruitment, he just seems to be a bit eccentric and misinformed (won’t say clueless as thats maybe unfair) as to how things are done within the PL and European football. 

I mean the PL all star game is an incredibly stupid idea considering fixture congestion with domestic cups, the CL, European Championships and World Cups every 2nd year. Managers are rightfully going to call him out on it like Klopp has done. Also the bottom 4 relegation tournament thing is also daft, more unnecessary fixtures at the end of a long season for teams when most clubs have international players who participate in tournaments. It also defeats the purpose od the whole 3 up 3 down thats been used for years. Using American Sports as an example isn’t necessarily a good thing. American Sports are successful but the MLS and “soccer” is not. Not at all. The standards improved but its hardly a model or standard worth using for the PL, ‘the worlds greatest league”, is it? I mean does he want to disrupt football matches being broadcast by having breaks every 10 minutes and multiple sponsors and a half time show where Shakira or Dua Lipa or someone comes on and sing 5-7 pop songs next for the best part of 45 minutes? 

The alternative way to helping the footballing pyramid is the same way its always been, big clubs stop looking out purely for themselves and redistribute a % of the TV deal money or so its more even and can be used to help clubs in the Championship/League 1/League 2 who may need a parachute payout. Like Gary Neville suggested in 2020. I don’t think theres been a more sustainable or logical method to do it. 

Plus every big club in the country tried to join a European Super League almost a year ago - so it is clear the majority of the bigger clubs don’t care about the smaller clubs that much. So an All Stars styled game will never fly unless the majority of the big clubs get a cut of the revenue to make it worth their while.

For me it looks like he is trying to reinvent the wheel without having any actual substance or experience in the footballing world. The whole multi club thing he is just copying whats been done before and plus actions speak louder than words. Being a successful businessman is one thing, being successful in baseball is another, but until he surrounds himself with proper football people I am unsure of what to expect.

And the decision to sack Tuchel after 7 games, whilst being unsure he had same vision for the club months ago and then backing him, giving him a full pre season, it is one of the most amateurish and stupid things I have heard of in my time following football. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by OneMoSalah

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3 hours ago, Blues Forever said:

 

Got to say, as a fan of football in general I don't think a multi-club model is a good direction to head towards.

From Boehly's point of view having a 'feeder club' in Portugal might seem like a pretty exciting idea and I definitely understand why they'd do it because from a Chelsea perspective there's many upsides for this kind of business model and not that many downsides but having a club who are only really considered to be 'Chelsea B team' potentially becoming competitive in a traditional league like the Portuguese Primeira would really tarnish the overall image of the league and that of their top clubs (Porto, Benfica, Sporting etc.)

Having a club where the same people who run Chelsea's sporting department choose everything from the manager, playing style, players etc. would make it a very exciting destination to send our academy's best youngsters out on loan for a year or two, not to mention having a club who using Chelsea's scouting network could hoover up some exciting young talent from South America etc. to play first team football in a competitive league without having to worry about work permits or anything. The ones who prove successful could then be 'bought' by Chelsea at a reasonable price, similar to how the Red Bull clubs regularly trade players from Salzburg to Leipzig at prices that seem well below the market values for the players, which would definitely ease some FFP concerns too. 

If the business model was executed well enough it would definitely provide a better pathway to top level football for our young talents than the loan system and how it was used by the previous ownership. If such model was currently in place, the likes of Chukwuemeka, Casadei, Vale, Slonina etc. would definitely be playing regular games for the 'feeder team' where they would have the chance of developing good chemistry together with a view of translating that to playing together for Chelsea in the future.

The whole plan seems plastic as fuck but if we're selfishly thinking about this purely for what it would mean to Chelsea in the long term it doesn't sound bad at all.

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49 minutes ago, Jype said:

 

Got to say, as a fan of football in general I don't think a multi-club model is a good direction to head towards.

From Boehly's point of view having a 'feeder club' in Portugal might seem like a pretty exciting idea and I definitely understand why they'd do it because from a Chelsea perspective there's many upsides for this kind of business model and not that many downsides but having a club who are only really considered to be 'Chelsea B team' potentially becoming competitive in a traditional league like the Portuguese Primeira would really tarnish the overall image of the league and that of their top clubs (Porto, Benfica, Sporting etc.)

Having a club where the same people who run Chelsea's sporting department choose everything from the manager, playing style, players etc. would make it a very exciting destination to send our academy's best youngsters out on loan for a year or two, not to mention having a club who using Chelsea's scouting network could hoover up some exciting young talent from South America etc. to play first team football in a competitive league without having to worry about work permits or anything. The ones who prove successful could then be 'bought' by Chelsea at a reasonable price, similar to how the Red Bull clubs regularly trade players from Salzburg to Leipzig at prices that seem well below the market values for the players, which would definitely ease some FFP concerns too. 

If the business model was executed well enough it would definitely provide a better pathway to top level football for our young talents than the loan system and how it was used by the previous ownership. If such model was currently in place, the likes of Chukwuemeka, Casadei, Vale, Slonina etc. would definitely be playing regular games for the 'feeder team' where they would have the chance of developing good chemistry together with a view of translating that to playing together for Chelsea in the future.

The whole plan seems plastic as fuck but if we're selfishly thinking about this purely for what it would mean to Chelsea in the long term it doesn't sound bad at all.

Is there rules regarding how many players you can loan out to one team? I think in time if you have 2 or 3 clubs across some different leagues it waters down such a notion that it's just a reserve team for us.

For me, I understand the concept behind still having an element of control over players development. It also not just creates pathways for players but also coaches and other roles within a football club for people to go and gain experience at a smaller club.

The idea really pushes the idea of self sufficiency to be able to promote from within and like you mentioned above, to take potential advantage of scouting and signing up players within an ecosystem where the end target is that person eventually being polished enough to be working at Chelsea. I actually think on paper it makes a huge amount of sense in the grand scheme of growing the football club and Chelsea 'brand' in general but it's not an overnight process, would take potentially years to get to where I think they have it in mind ending up.

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1 hour ago, Jype said:

 

Got to say, as a fan of football in general I don't think a multi-club model is a good direction to head towards.

From Boehly's point of view having a 'feeder club' in Portugal might seem like a pretty exciting idea and I definitely understand why they'd do it because from a Chelsea perspective there's many upsides for this kind of business model and not that many downsides but having a club who are only really considered to be 'Chelsea B team' potentially becoming competitive in a traditional league like the Portuguese Primeira would really tarnish the overall image of the league and that of their top clubs (Porto, Benfica, Sporting etc.)

Having a club where the same people who run Chelsea's sporting department choose everything from the manager, playing style, players etc. would make it a very exciting destination to send our academy's best youngsters out on loan for a year or two, not to mention having a club who using Chelsea's scouting network could hoover up some exciting young talent from South America etc. to play first team football in a competitive league without having to worry about work permits or anything. The ones who prove successful could then be 'bought' by Chelsea at a reasonable price, similar to how the Red Bull clubs regularly trade players from Salzburg to Leipzig at prices that seem well below the market values for the players, which would definitely ease some FFP concerns too. 

If the business model was executed well enough it would definitely provide a better pathway to top level football for our young talents than the loan system and how it was used by the previous ownership. If such model was currently in place, the likes of Chukwuemeka, Casadei, Vale, Slonina etc. would definitely be playing regular games for the 'feeder team' where they would have the chance of developing good chemistry together with a view of translating that to playing together for Chelsea in the future.

The whole plan seems plastic as fuck but if we're selfishly thinking about this purely for what it would mean to Chelsea in the long term it doesn't sound bad at all.

Man city have stakes in 10 and they not doing bad.

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1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Really? For me it seems he hasn’t stopped talking since buying the club. And talking a lot of nonsense too. After initially being impressed with him and how he seemed/initial transfer recruitment, he just seems to be a bit eccentric and misinformed (won’t say clueless as thats maybe unfair) as to how things are done within the PL and European football. 

I mean the PL all star game is an incredibly stupid idea considering fixture congestion with domestic cups, the CL, European Championships and World Cups every 2nd year. Managers are rightfully going to call him out on it like Klopp has done. Also the bottom 4 relegation tournament thing is also daft, more unnecessary fixtures at the end of a long season for teams when most clubs have international players who participate in tournaments. It also defeats the purpose od the whole 3 up 3 down thats been used for years. Using American Sports as an example isn’t necessarily a good thing. American Sports are successful but the MLS and “soccer” is not. Not at all. The standards improved but its hardly a model or standard worth using for the PL, ‘the worlds greatest league”, is it? I mean does he want to disrupt football matches being broadcast by having breaks every 10 minutes and multiple sponsors and a half time show where Shakira or Dua Lipa or someone comes on and sing 5-7 pop songs next for the best part of 45 minutes? 

The alternative way to helping the footballing pyramid is the same way its always been, big clubs stop looking out purely for themselves and redistribute a % of the TV deal money or so its more even and can be used to help clubs in the Championship/League 1/League 2 who may need a parachute payout. Like Gary Neville suggested in 2020. I don’t think theres been a more sustainable or logical method to do it. 

Plus every big club in the country tried to join a European Super League almost a year ago - so it is clear the majority of the bigger clubs don’t care about the smaller clubs that much. So an All Stars styled game will never fly unless the majority of the big clubs get a cut of the revenue to make it worth their while.

For me it looks like he is trying to reinvent the wheel without having any actual substance or experience in the footballing world. The whole multi club thing he is just copying whats been done before and plus actions speak louder than words. Being a successful businessman is one thing, being successful in baseball is another, but until he surrounds himself with proper football people I am unsure of what to expect.

And the decision to sack Tuchel after 7 games, whilst being unsure he had same vision for the club months ago and then backing him, giving him a full pre season, it is one of the most amateurish and stupid things I have heard of in my time following football. 

I think you have to take our situation with a bit of context this summer. In that interview he actually mentioned it was quite the learning curve for him this summer dealing with agents, language barriers, currencies, and essentially what is a completely unregulated market. I think he's done the best he could possibly do this summer in a situation which was always going to be incredibly difficult to navigate. Whatever people's thoughts are on the decision to sack Tuchel, he's made that big decision to bring in his own man and I expect in the coming weeks and months he's going to also bring in others to fulfil roles inside the club. This sporting director role won't be his in the long term, but I actually think it's an incredible learning curve that he's had to take on this summer which will actually benefit him and his understanding of things moving forward.

The mention of the All Star game is obviously going to be very subjective but it was on the back of him discussing the MLB All Star game this year that grossed in circa $200m. He used that as a comparison to suggest why couldn't the Premier League create something similar to help with supporting the footballing pyramid in this country.

For me personally, I'd sack the Community Shield off which has easily run its course in recent times and trial something like this in that week before the season opener as a way to start the season still in pre season. Or if traditionalists want to keep the Community Shield going, why don't they have a weekend whereby there is this game on the one day and the Shield the next day or day before. To make something like this a much fairer situation, you could create 2 squads of 22 players each from 10 clubs (or 9 if the Community Shield is played) and you must pick at least 2 from each club and no more than 3 players so no one team is having to over represent with their players.

I'm not saying it's full proof and a guaranteed success but is it really that much of a stupid idea to warrant such a response from the British media. Funnily enough this afternoon the likes of Sky Sports and others have tweeted out brainstorming what players would make up a North and South team in mock lineups. That enough suggests there's some intrigue attached to the idea. 

Similarly with the comment regarding relegation, I'm not necessarily for it but it would be a huge watch if you had the bottom 4 teams play off at the end of the season and the winner stays up. Is it any different to the play offs in the Championship to get promoted where you regularly see a team hit form late on and sneak 6th position and come up over a team that is consistently in the top 3 all year? A number of other leagues in Europe have some sort of play off fixture for relegation purposes too so the idea of him coming over and trying to create an American revolution like assault on the Premier League seems quite frankly nothing more than xenophobic from the media today.

 

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56 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Man city have stakes in 10 and they not doing bad.

Yeah it's not so much a case of 'doing well' or 'doing bad' but rather if a model like that is any good for the sport itself or if it's a cancer that should be rooted out before it can grow any further. It can be a very beneficial model for the club doing it but will definitely not be a popular move among football fans in general.

That said, the City Group are definitely overdoing it and aside from some marketing potential for the 'main club' (Man City) I don't see any sporting benefits for why they should own a club in countries like India, China or Australia. Having a 'feeder team' in a reasonably good European league to help develop and nurture young talents seems very different to what City are doing. I believe Red Bull's Leipzig/Salzburg model (though they have other clubs too) is more the way Boehly wants to go with, and that's why Freund is being targeted for the sporting director role.

58 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Is there rules regarding how many players you can loan out to one team? I think in time if you have 2 or 3 clubs across some different leagues it waters down such a notion that it's just a reserve team for us.

From what I understand the Portuguese league rules seem to restrict incoming loans to a maximum of three players from the same parent club so pretty much the same as in the Championship. Though if both clubs are owned by the same group of people there should be pretty easy ways to get around it if need be.

Even if loans directly from Chelsea would be restricted to the maximum 3 players, I would think in the future if a business model like this was put in place then players like Chukwuemeka, Casadei, Slonina would be bought by the feeder club on a permanent transfer first and only make the move to the main club once they're good enough to slot straight into the first team. That way the loan restrictions wouldn't matter at all and the 'loan quota' could be filled by actual homegrown players from the club's own academy, for example with the likes of Colwill and Vale at the moment.

Edited September 14, 2022 by Jype

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'He is one of our sons!': Todd Boehly is slammed for claiming Mo Salah came from Chelsea's academy by chief of the Liverpool star's first club in Egypt - as he accuses the 'ignorant' American owner of a 'lack of understanding'

Whoops ! 🤐 Maybe best to keep schtum like Abramovich, Henry, the Arab sheiks...and the Glazer freaks

 

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David Brent taken over ?

[Fernando 6,453]

We are being run but a I have no clue what I'm doing kind of of guy. 

It seems like every decision he makes is amateurish. Hence why I fee like the hiring of Potter is another of those decisions. It will cost us big and it will lead like what United where with Moyes. 

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I'm looking forward to when Bohely makes us a huge success and all the doubters start hailing him as God himself.

 

Edited September 22, 2022 by DDA

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2 hours ago, Fernando said:

We are being run but a I have no clue what I'm doing kind of of guy. 

It seems like every decision he makes is amateurish. Hence why I fee like the hiring of Potter is another of those decisions. It will cost us big and it will lead like what United where with Moyes. 

United should of stuck with Moyes, he wasn't given time at all. The Moyes references are laughable, let's not pretend he's a bad manager, and let's not pretend given time he wouldn't of built a very good man utd team and got them playing well.

Edited September 22, 2022 by YorkshireBlue

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