closed Palmeiras 1-2 Chelsea

[NikkiCFC 7,606]

1 hour ago, King Kante said:

I am just hoping for a decent home kit next season where a crack head hasn't been put in charge of designing it. 

42 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

hopefully this year..

 

Nothing to hope for, kit has already been designed. You have it in kit thread. 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,776]

1 hour ago, bigbluewillie said:

Do we know why the EPL refuse us permission🤬

Presumably the denial is based on Premier League rules. As long as the rules have been applied consistently, i.e.. that Liverpool and Man Utd were also denied permission, then I don't care. Let's wear it when it's allowed and not fuss about it when it's not.

On another issue. Is it next season that the format of this tournament changes and, when it changes, will the current holders automatically qualify? 

Edit: According to a Wikipedia article the reigning champions will not qualify. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[NikkiCFC 7,606]

20 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

 

On another issue. Is it next season that the format of this tournament changes and, when it changes, will the current holders automatically qualify? 

Edit: According to a Wikipedia article the reigning champions will not qualify. 

We qualified with CL win even for next tournament. 

[OhForAGreavsie 5,776]

7 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

We qualified with CL win even for next tournament. 

Good information. Thanks. The Wiki article I read said that UEFA gets eight qualifiers but didn't break down how those places are allocated.

[ZAPHOD2319 3,911]

Biggest change is moving to every four years, and of course how many teams get in.

 

What does it look like?

Currently the Club World Cup runs once a season and features the winner of the Champions League in each of the respective six footballing confederations, as well as the winner of the host nation's domestic league (in this year's case, Qatar).

But in 2024, FIFA will scrap that model. Instead, the tournament will grow from featuring seven teams to 24, and run every four years.

Similarly to the international World Cup, the teams will be split into eight groups of three teams - with the winners of each group advancing to the knockouts, which will begin at a quarter-final stage.

The tournament will take place between June and July - when the Confederations Cup would usually be held, with FIFA deciding to abandon that tournament due to the lack of interest in it.

How do you qualify for the Club World Cup?

As it stands, FIFA have yet to confirm how you will qualify for the tournament (great planning guys) but according to Reuters, qualification will be based on a team's performance in their continental competitions over the course of the last four seasons.

While the official number of teams who can qualify from respective confederations has yet to be confirmed, it is likely that the 24 teams will consist of:

• Eight European teams
• Six South American teams
• Three African teams
• Three Asian teams
• Three North/Central American teams
• One Oceanic team

[OhForAGreavsie 5,776]

19 hours ago, Blue Armour said:

Reading the article again it seems like that was for just the one match against Wolves, probably for the trophy lift. 

I'd be a lot more annoyed if they had changed the rules right around the time we became eligible to play in the CWC

Yes, they were granted special permission to wear the badge against Wolves on 29/12/2019 but they did not wear it in the actual game against Chelsea. Only for the trophy lift afterward. I really didn't care before reading this but I do now. If we are not allowed to wear it this will be far from the first time it has been one rule for Chelsea and another rule for everybody else.

 

Edited February 14, 2022 by OhForAGreavsie

[Vesper 27,386]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Nothing to hope for, kit has already been designed. You have it in kit thread. 

That kit is so not officially confirmed though, if you look back over the years, there have been SO many fakes that so many people swore were real and confirmed.

[Vesper 27,386]

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Biggest change is moving to every four years, and of course how many teams get in.

 

What does it look like?

Currently the Club World Cup runs once a season and features the winner of the Champions League in each of the respective six footballing confederations, as well as the winner of the host nation's domestic league (in this year's case, Qatar).

But in 2024, FIFA will scrap that model. Instead, the tournament will grow from featuring seven teams to 24, and run every four years.

Similarly to the international World Cup, the teams will be split into eight groups of three teams - with the winners of each group advancing to the knockouts, which will begin at a quarter-final stage.

The tournament will take place between June and July - when the Confederations Cup would usually be held, with FIFA deciding to abandon that tournament due to the lack of interest in it.

How do you qualify for the Club World Cup?

As it stands, FIFA have yet to confirm how you will qualify for the tournament (great planning guys) but according to Reuters, qualification will be based on a team's performance in their continental competitions over the course of the last four seasons.

While the official number of teams who can qualify from respective confederations has yet to be confirmed, it is likely that the 24 teams will consist of:

• Eight European teams
• Six South American teams
• Three African teams
• Three Asian teams
• Three North/Central American teams
• One Oceanic team

here is the link for you post btw

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/why-youre-going-to-hate-the-new-look-club-world-cup-316265

 

I have some questions

1. Will there be a FWCC in late 2022? (due to World Cup, I so doubt it.)

2. IF they push it to February 2023, will it be under the old format? Or the new format?

3. Exact same question as number 2, but make it a December 2023 tourney.

4 Your article said 2024 for the new format, so again, what about 2022 (late) and then 2023 (early 2023, so delayed like thsi year, but now delayed due to WC, not Covid) or the regular December 2023 dates)?

5. IF delayed, do we still retain the title the whole time, until the next one is played (like the World Cup winners do now, and they are moving to an every four years FWCC format, so the winners will be holders for 4 years anyway)?

Edited February 14, 2022 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 7,606]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

That kit is so not officially confirmed though, if you look back over the years, there have been SO many fakes that so many people swore were real and confirmed.

Footy headlines are most reliable about kits. 

[Vesper 27,386]

LOL, Citeh and PSG fanbois going absolutely MENTAL in rage on Twitter about how the world championship and (this is madness) the CL are basically worthless and/or distractions and the main things that count are league titles.

Citeh have ONE euro trophy (52 years ago they won the Cup Winners' Cup, in 1969/70) in 143 seasons of football.

PSG also have 1 (also a Cup Winner's Cup in 1996), plus they shared 1st place with Aston Villa and Troyes in the 2001 Intertoto Cup (there was no outright single winner as it was basically a qualifier for the Europa League, where they got knocked out in the 3rd round by Rangers and never scored a goal in either leg).

🤣

[Vesper 27,386]

2 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Footy headlines are most reliable about kits. 

yes but they have been wrong many times

[Fulham Broadway 16,425]

Roses are red, violets are blue, Rom opened the scoring, Kai made it two.

HAPPY VALENTINES 

[NikkiCFC 7,606]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

here is the link for you post btw

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/why-youre-going-to-hate-the-new-look-club-world-cup-316265

 

I have some questions

1. Will there be a FWCC in late 2022? (due to World Cup, I so doubt it.)

2. IF they push it to February 2023, will it be under the old format? Or the new format?

3. Exact same question as number 2, but make it a December 2023 tourney.

4 Your article said 2024 for the new format, so again, what about 2022 (late) and then 2023 (early 2023, so delayed like thsi year, but now delayed due to WC, not Covid) or the regular December 2023 dates)?

5. IF delayed, do we still retain the title the whole time, until the next one is played (like the World Cup winners do now, and they are moving to an every four years FWCC format, so the winners will be holders for 4 years anyway)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_FIFA_Club_World_Cup_(China)

First tournament was planned in June/July 2021. 

2 and a half weeks long and you play 5 games if you reach final. Cannot expect 24 teams across the globe to leave for such a long period during the season so it will go in the summer as planned. I'm thinking summer 2023 first edition with tournament going every 4 years. Basically instead of  Confederation Cup. 

[King Kante 1,333]

12 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_FIFA_Club_World_Cup_(China)

First tournament was planned in June/July 2021. 

2 and a half weeks long and you play 5 games if you reach final. Cannot expect 24 teams across the globe to leave for such a long period during the season so it will go in the summer as planned. I'm thinking summer 2023 first edition with tournament going every 4 years. Basically instead of  Confederation Cup. 

Yes, this is how I read it. It will be a post season tournament. 

As for the qualification requirements. I have heard two ideas that seem fairly reasonable: 

1) The previous 4 CL/Ropey League winners. 

2) 8 teams with most European titles won over the past decade (this get Barca/Real in.) 

Either way we would be in. 

Edited February 15, 2022 by King Kante

[Vesper 27,386]

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2022

[Magic Lamps 11,464]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/#/yr/2022

this list is so BS...

how did we get fewer points than city last season despite winning the competition. ridiculous. maybe city won more matches in the competition but we bested them in the final which should be higher weighted. also only 3 pts more for winning CL than EL

Thankfully this is completely irrelevant to the here and now.

[Vesper 27,386]

53 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

this list is so BS...

how did we get fewer points than city last season despite winning the competition. ridiculous. maybe city won more matches in the competition but we bested them in the final which should be higher weighted. also only 3 pts more for winning CL than EL

Thankfully this is completely irrelevant to the here and now.

Each competition and league (and where you finish in them all) is weighted differently.

 

How the club coefficients are calculated

https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/club/about/

 

HOW TO READ THE COEFFICIENTS

The club coefficients are based on the results of clubs competing in the five previous seasons of the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League. The rankings determine the seeding of each club in relevant UEFA competition draws.

The season club coefficients are based on the results of clubs competing in the current UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League season. The rankings, combined with those of the previous four seasons, determine the seeding for each club in all UEFA competition draws.

Coefficient calculation

Clubs' coefficients are determined EITHER the sum of all points won in the previous five years OR the association coefficient over the same period, whichever is the higher.

These will be updated after each round of UEFA club competition matches.

Club coefficient calculation

The coefficient of a club is calculated by adding the total number of points it obtains in a given season in the UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League and UEFA Europa Conference League.

A club's five-season coefficient is the cumulative total of the previous five seasons' coefficients, or 20% of its association's five-season association coefficient, whichever is higher.

Points awarded each season are in accordance with the relevant competition regulations for that specific season, so the following apply only to the awarding of points in the 2021/22 season.

Points are awarded as follows:

UEFA Champions League points
2 – All wins from group stage onwards
1 – All draws from group stage onwards
4 – Group stage bonus participation
4 – Round of 16 bonus participation
1 – Each round clubs reach from the round of 16

Points are not awarded for elimination in qualifying, since those clubs move to the UEFA Europa League and may be awarded points for participation in that competition or the UEFA Conference League.

UEFA Europa League points
2 – All wins from group stage onwards (except knockout round play-offs)
1 – All draws from group stage onwards (except knockout round play-offs)
4 – Group winners
2 – Group runners-up
1 – Each round clubs reach from the round of 16

All teams are guaranteed a minimum 3 points in the UEFA Europa League group stage (not added to points actually obtained). Points are not awarded for elimination in qualifying, since those clubs move to the UEFA Europa Conference League and may be awarded points for participation in that competition.

UEFA Europa Conference League points
1 – Awarded to each club eliminated in the first qualifying round
1.5 – Awarded to each club eliminated in the second qualifying round
2 – Awarded to each club eliminated in the third qualifying round
2.5 – Awarded to each club eliminated in the play-offs
2 – All wins from group stage onwards (except knockout round play-offs)
1 – All draws from group stage onwards (except knockout round play-offs)
2 – Group winners
1 – Group runners-up
1 – Each round clubs reach from the semi-finals

All teams are guaranteed a minimum 2.5 points in the UEFA Europa Conference League group stage (not added to points actually obtained).

Association coefficient calculation

The season coefficient of an association is calculated by adding up the points obtained by all its clubs in a given season in the UEFA Champions League (UCL), UEFA Europa League (UEL) and UEFA Europa Conference League (UECL) then dividing the total by the number of clubs from that association that took part in the three UEFA club competitions in question.

Points are awarded as follows:

2 – All wins from group stage (UCL, UEL, UECL)
1 – All wins in qualifying and play-off matches (UCL, UEL, UECL)
1 – All draws from group stage (UCL, UEL, UECL)
0.5 – All draws in qualifying and play-off matches (UCL, UEL, UECL)
4 – Group stage bonus participation (UCL, UEL)
4 – Round of 16 bonus participation (UCL)
4 – Group winners (UEL)
2 – Group runners-up (UEL)
2 – Group winners (UECL)
1 – Group runners-up (UECL)
1 – Each round clubs reach from the round of 16 (UCL, UEL, UECL)

Additional notes

Penalty shoot-outs do not count.

For matches originally foreseen to be two legs (home and away) but reduced to a single leg, the calculation of coefficient points per match will be adapted as follows:

Three points for a win (in regular time or extra time)
Two points to each team for a draw (after extra time)
One point for a loss (in regular time or extra time)

 

[ZAPHOD2319 3,911]

We will be in the next. That is the most important aspect. If they are going to have this many top teams in, they better sweeten the money a lot more.