closed Palmeiras 1-2 Chelsea

[Jase 43,479]

Palmeiras 1-2 Chelsea
PRE/POST-MATCH DISCUSSION, LIVE CHAT AND ANALYSIS



2021 FIFA Club World Cup Final
12th February, Saturday 2022
Mohammed bin Zayed Stadium
16:30 Kick Off (UK time)

[Laylabelle 9,296]

'The Chelsea loss in 2012 is also the last time the European participant did not win the crown. Since, every FIFA Club World Cup has been won by the UEFA Champions League title holder.

If we don't manage to win it...awkward!!!

[Vesper 27,315]

biggest Cup final in the Roman era other than the 3 CL's and the 2 Europa Leagues

so much pressure after blowing the 2012 FWCC

I am so fucking nervous die to Palmeiras quality and thirst for the world championship

they want it more than any other club on planet

the only giant SA and Euro clubs (who have won the CL or Copa Libertadores. so Citeh and PSG do not count) who have never won either the Intercontinental Cup or the FWCC and played in the FWCC era are

Chelsea
Palmeiras (lost both the IC and FWCC)

Vasco da Gama (sort of make the list due to 2 Brasil teams (and 2 UEFA clubs, Real Madrid and Manure, the only 2 Euro clubs to not make the final game, Manure did not even medal, Real lost the 3rd place game) in the 2000 FWCC, they made it (and lost the final to Corinthians) as they won the Copa Libertadores in 1998 and were invited to the initial FWCC, after losing the Intercontinental Cup in 1998)

 

If you go back to historically huge clubs (pre FWCC era) and who played in the Intercontinental Cup and never won it then you can include

Portugal Benfica    —    2    —    1961, 1962
Brazil Cruzeiro    —    2    —    1976, 1997
Germany Borussia Mönchengladbach    —    1    —    1977
England Nottingham Forest    —    1    —    1980
England Aston Villa    —    1    —    1982
Germany Hamburger SV    —    1    —    1983
PSV Eindhoven    —    1    —    1988

 

6 of the big 7 Argentinian teams have won the IC (Boca Juniors, Independiente, Estudiantes, River Plate, Racing Club, Vélez Sarsfield) San Lorenzo never did, they never played in it, but they did play in the FWCC (and lost, in 2014) Argentian were the dominat nation in the IC, but have lost the FWCC all 5 times they had teams in it

Both big Uruguay (Penerol and Nacional) won the IC multiple times, Nacional won all 3 times they made it

England were fucking HORRID 1 lone win (Manure 1999), 5 losses (Poll 2, Manure, Aston Villa, and Forest once)

 

FWCC

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 7,582]

Flamengo almost upset Liverpool in 2019.

[Vesper 27,315]

11 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Flamengo almost upset Liverpool in 2019.

I so so wish they would have!!!

the Scousers are only 1 win (that one) and 3 losses in IC/FWCC finals

Vasco da Gama is not even in topflight football atm, lolol

Edited February 9, 2022 by Vesper

[LAM09 6,548]

38 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

'The Chelsea loss in 2012 is also the last time the European participant did not win the crown. Since, every FIFA Club World Cup has been won by the UEFA Champions League title holder.

If we don't manage to win it...awkward!!!

It will come down to desire on the day. Something Luiz & Oscar brought up when we lost back then.

[Vesper 27,315]

45 minutes ago, Laylabelle said:

'The Chelsea loss in 2012 is also the last time the European participant did not win the crown. Since, every FIFA Club World Cup has been won by the UEFA Champions League title holder.

If we don't manage to win it...awkward!!!

its worse than that

the 5 before us losing all won too

losing the 2008 CL not only was gut-wrenching, BUT we surely would have won the 2008 FWCC too

look at the dregs Manure got to play against

Edited February 9, 2022 by Vesper

[NikkiCFC 7,582]

 

[Johnnyeye 7,414]

been checking some Palmeiras fans comments and they are very confident they can beat us, especially after our game vs Al Hilal.

Edited February 11, 2022 by Johnnyeye

[cosmicway 1,252]

Palmeiras are roughly the equivalent of Porto. You agree ?

[ZAPHOD2319 3,873]

28 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Palmeiras are roughly the equivalent of Porto. You agree ?

In their semi final they looked very composed and aggressive coming forward. Their defense looked very suspect. 

[milka 3,308]

 

 

[ZAPHOD2319 3,873]

Tuchel ranting on the touchline is big.

[Laylabelle 9,296]

3 hours ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

In their semi final they looked very composed and aggressive coming forward. Their defense looked very suspect. 

That's no biggie for us cause our attack is very very suspect

[Vesper 27,315]

Chelsea must learn lesson to silence Palmeiras and claim first world title

Their predecessors tripped up in 2012 and on Saturday the Blues face a Brazilian side desperate to win the Club World Cup

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/feb/11/Chelsea-palmeiras-club-world-cup-learn-lesson

Palmeiras fans have been out in force in Abu Dhabi this week. They have travelled thousands of miles to watch the Club World Cup and have been showing their colours with pride before Abel Ferreira’s side take on Chelsea, who will be making a big mistake if they show any complacency during Saturday night’s final at the Mohammed bin Zayed Stadium.

This is a huge moment for Palmeiras; a chance, at long last, to silence taunts from rival Brazilian clubs about their barren record in this tournament. The Copa Libertadores champions understand what is at stake. They have long since had to accept that their triumph in the Copa Rio in 1951, the original intercontinental club tournament, is not enough to stop the chants of “Palmeiras não tem Mundial” – Palmeiras don’t have a World Cup – from fans of Corinthians, São Paulo and Santos. There is only one way to scratch the itch: by defying the odds and dashing Chelsea’s hopes of becoming world champions for the first time.

History is on the line. This is the only major trophy that has eluded Chelsea during the Roman Abramovich era and the European champions do not need to be told how seriously this competition is taken in Brazil. They were beaten finalists when they faced Corinthians in 2012 and they know that Palmeiras’s fans are going to turn the stadium green. “Palmeiras are huge,” Thiago Silva, Chelsea’s Brazilian centre-back, said. “We know that with the presence of fans here, their team is much stronger.”

It is not going to be straightforward, although it looks increasingly likely that Thomas Tuchel will be at the final. The manager arrived in Abu Dhabi on Friday after a negative Covid test, having had to stay in London after contracting the virus, and will be on the touchline subject to the result of a further PCR test taken after he landed. Chelsea could do with him there. They did not convince when they beat Al-Hilal 1-0 on Wednesday and will be in trouble if there is no improvement against Palmeiras, who were comfortable 2-0 winners against Al-Ahly in the other semi-final.

“It is unfortunate Thomas was not here but we hope he will join us,” Jorginho, Chelsea’s vice-captain, said. “It gives you more because he is your coach and there is more energy in the changing room.”

In the absence of Tuchel it has been up to the German’s assistants, Zsolt Low and Arno Michels, to take charge. The backroom team have had to take on more responsibility. Anthony Barry and Benjamin Weber were both talked up by Jorginho and there has also been help from Petr Cech, Chelsea’s technical and performance adviser.

Cech has plenty of experience to offer Tuchel’s squad. He was in goal when Chelsea lost to Corinthians in Japan just over nine years ago and the memory eats away at him. These opportunities do not come around often and Cech has been telling this generation not to fly home with regrets.

The issue is that this tournament is still not taken entirely seriously by European teams. It is often viewed as an inconvenience, an unwanted interruption in the middle of a domestic campaign, but that can level the playing field and give hope to the underdogs.

Chelsea certainly had the wrong attitude on the only other occasion when they were Europe’s representatives in the Club World Cup. Too many of Rafael Benítez’s players were unhappy with the quality of their hotel and the negativity affected their performance, Corinthians winning 1-0 thanks to a goal from Paolo Guerrero.

It has to be different this time. Chelsea are staying in a plush hotel, the sun is shining and there were concerns that it would feel like a pre-season tour when they landed in Abu Dhabi. Would the intensity be there? Or would the players see it as a chance to relax after a taxing winter period?

It has not been an easy few months for Chelsea. Injuries have disrupted their momentum, their title challenge has faded away and Romelu Lukaku still looks unconvincing. This, though, is a chance to lift the mood. Lukaku scored against Al-Hilal, Kepa Arrizabalaga made two brilliant saves and the sense in the coaching team is that the players understand what it would mean to become world champions.

Palmeiras, who have won back-to-back Copa Libertadores titles, are not to be taken lightly. Tuchel, who does not want to leave anything to chance, is considering whether to bring Édouard Mendy in for Arrizabalaga. Mason Mount and N’Golo Kanté could also return to the starting lineup and the message from Jorginho was that anything could happen. Palmeiras, who lost in the semi-finals last year, are going to be up for it. Chelsea must be ready.

[Vesper 27,315]

4 hours ago, cosmicway said:

Palmeiras are roughly the equivalent of Porto. You agree ?

GK , an edge to Porto, but it's sort of close

Porto has more CB quality and (less so) fullback quality

Palmeiras has slightly better MFers (although 2 key ones are back in Brasil, but Palmeiras has good depth)

Palmeiras has better wingers (although Gabriel Veron is out with Covid, but they have great depth)

Porto has better CF's (by far, but Palmeiras doesn't play often with a true CF)

Porto are better overall due to more money

give Palmeiras Porto's budget and they could easily pass them as long as they hold onto their stars

we have the bad luck of facing a really solid side, a giant old team that DESPERATELY wants to win the World Championship

they are only giant Brasil team that is still top tier that has won the Copa Libertadores (and have done so 3 times, plus they are the all-time Brasil side in terms of top league titles) BUT has never won either the IC or the FWCC

Vasco da Gama and Cruzeiro have not either, but they are in the 2nd tier league now, and Fluminense and Botafogo have never won the Copa Libertadores, which is quite shocking given both teams' past history and players back in the day (Garrincha for Botafogo, etc)

Chelsea and Palmeiras are literally the only giant (and still giant in the FWCC era) global teams who have won the CL/EC (thus Citeh and PSG are not counted) OR the Copa Libertadores and yet have never won the IC/FWCC

something has to give

this will not be an easy game at all, especially as we are so hobbled at wingback

[Magic Lamps 11,450]

55 minutes ago, Vesper said:

GK , an edge to Porto, but it's sort of close

Porto has more CB quality and (less so) fullback quality

Palmeiras has slightly better MFers (although 2 key ones are back in Brasil, but Palmeiras has good depth)

Palmeiras has better wingers (although Gabriel Veron is out with Covid, but they have great depth)

Porto has better CF's (by far, but Palmeiras doesn't play often with a true CF)

Porto are better overall due to more money

give Palmeiras Porto's budget and they could easily pass them as long as they hold onto their stars

we have the bad luck of facing a really solid side, a giant old team that DESPERATELY wants to win the World Championship

they are only giant Brasil team that is still top tier that has won the Copa Libertadores (and have done so 3 times, plus they are the all-time Brasil side in terms of top league titles) BUT has never won either the IC or the FWCC

Vasco da Gama and Cruzeiro have not either, but they are in the 2nd tier league now, and Fluminense and Botafogo have never won the Copa Libertadores, which is quite shocking given both teams' past history and players back in the day (Garrincha for Botafogo, etc)

Chelsea and Palmeiras are literally the only giant (and still giant in the FWCC era) global teams who have won the CL/EC (thus Citeh and PSG are not counted) OR the Copa Libertadores and yet have never won the IC/FWCC

something has to give

this will not be an easy game at all, especially as we are so hobbled at wingback

I think on current form and how stable and confident they are as a group, they are comfortably better than Porto is atm.

I think they are more like Aston Villa or Arsenal IMO. Plus the motivation factor should not be underestimated. They will try to waltz us from minute 1.

However, I fail to see how the conditions are in their favour only. Weather is dry and warm, ideal conditions for both sides but not humid enough to give palmeiras an edge

Sure their fans will be in the majority but it is not a huge stadium and also no good accousitc. In general am a bit disappointed how the quality of stadiums is so poor in such a rich country.

A small advantage for us is that we played in the same stadium the final is contested already, while they played in a smaller one with different pitch measurements. Needless to stay their flight was a lot longer than ours.

[Fulham Broadway 16,393]

If we win we're World club Cup Champions

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if we lose its a micky mouse cup....