closed Chelsea 1-1 Burnley

[Warning_Hazard 156]

This just highlights why I argued its important to win the big games and small ones.

Onwards and upwards, Could be dodgy against utd after another intl break.

Atleast with lukaku back it gives us rotation options up front, Just need to be more clinical.

Burnley played well and have now got 3 wins and a draw. not bad.

[maxlev 54]

The fact is how do we solve the issue of profligacy in front of goal!

We outplayed Burnley yesterday creating several good scoring chances but we missed the all except one. Most finishing was completely off target even when in a position to put it into the back of the net easily. The selection was perfect but it is just disappointing we drew. Burnley was extremely lucky bcos it could have easily been 6-0.

[maxlev 54]

1 hour ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Burnley played well and have now got 3 wins and a draw. not bad.

There was nothing quite exciting abt Burnley's game yesterday. We beat them on every aspect including setpieces where they are most dangerous in. We broke down theirr defence at will. If we had convert half our chances the scoreline would have still been a minimum of 3-0. One thing is that when u keep on missing your chances in a game u lead by a small magine, the opponent develops confidence that they can still get something from the game.

[Vesper 30,200]

my mood is still

FUCKKK

we were the least clinical I can ever recall

we played magnificently in all facets but fucking finishing

their goal ever would have never even happened if we had been up 3, 4, 5 nil

fuck fuck fuck

this is 2 points dropped that may smash us in the end

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

1 hour ago, Vesper said:

this is 2 points dropped that may smash us in the end

Far too early for this to be possible. The good news is although drop points, the system was still flawless. Created loads of chances and dealt with Burnley relatively well after the goal. (Rodriguez counter attack + Vydra lob). 

There is a reason Tuchel was still positive. We should be too.  

Edited November 7, 2021 by MoroccanBlue

[LAM09 7,056]

8 hours ago, Jase said:

Yes, Pulisic came on against Malmo but it was only for the last 15 minutes. But the point is, he's well short of match fitness having barely played in almost 3 months. It's understandable if Tuchel wants to take it slowly with Pulisic and not start him just yet, especially against a side like Burnley.

Not sure why you're criticizing Tuchel's selection. The problem yesterday was that we didn't finish the chances rather than not playing well. Had Havertz, CHO, Barkley or one of the CBs converted one extra chance and we won, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The only selection that is perhaps questionable was the inclusion of Barkley but then again, one could argue that Ziyech has been poor, Pulisic is hardly match fit while Mount is being affected by infection and thus not at 100%. 

As I mentioned yesterday, he was reactive & only made chances after we conceded. Ifs, buts, had are of little relevance when the score is in the balance.

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

4 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

As I mentioned yesterday, he was reactive & only made chances after we conceded. Ifs, buts, had are of little relevance when the score is in the balance.

Hindsight is 20/20. 

At the time, Barkley, Havertz, and CHO were creating chances for fun but not capitilising. Their work rate was also effective. Add the fact Mount + Pulisic aren't in the best condition, I think it is incredibly harsh to claim Tuchel was reactive here. 

[LAM09 7,056]

8 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Hindsight is 20/20. 

At the time, Barkley, Havertz, and CHO were creating chances for fun but not capitilising. Their work rate was also effective. Add the fact Mount + Pulisic aren't in the best condition, I think it is incredibly harsh to claim Tuchel was reactive here. 

They weren't taking their chances, though. CHO missed a sitter shortly before Burnley scored, IIRC. 

Harsh or not, that's just how I see it. He would have received the plaudits had they scored a late winner, so he should be held by the same token.

[Vesper 30,200]

45 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Far too early for this to be possible. The good news is although drop points, the system was still flawless. Created loads of chances and dealt with Burnley relatively well after the goal. (Rodriguez counter attack + Vydra lob). 

There is a reason Tuchel was still positive. We should be too.  

any points dropped can come back and haunt you

if we miss out on the title by 1 point, this game is one (there could be others you can point to as well) that deffo lost us the title

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, LAM09 said:

As I mentioned yesterday, he was reactive & only made chances after we conceded. Ifs, buts, had are of little relevance when the score is in the balance.

 

57 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

They weren't taking their chances, though. CHO missed a sitter shortly before Burnley scored, IIRC. 

Harsh or not, that's just how I see it. He would have received the plaudits had they scored a late winner, so he should be held by the same token.

@MoroccanBlue has already touched on it but I'll say it anyway. It was understandable that Tuchel didn't make any changes before late on. We were playing well but we just weren't taking the chances, something that no one can legislate. No guarantee at all that Pulisic or Mount - who aren't in the best of shape - would have put the chances away had either come on earlier. As it has been said many times, yes, the draw against Burnley was frustrating but shit happens. It was just one of those days, just like we fluked a win at Brentford. What we need to ensure is games like this are kept to a minimum or zero for the season. 

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, Vesper said:

any points dropped can come back and haunt you

if we miss out on the title by 1 point, this game is one (there could be others you can point to as well) that deffo lost us the title

Yes and am sure City and Liverpool fans would complain about their results as well if they miss out by a narrow margin.

As frustrating as yesterday's draw was, not sure why people are overreacting (maybe I shouldn't be surprised at all). Before yesterday, we had dropped points in only 2 games - against Liverpool and Man City - and that's not too bad at all, even after adding this Burnley draw. Yesterday was just one of those days. Just take it on the chin and move on and make sure this doesn't happen too often, or at all, for the season.

The only "funny" thing is Arsenal are now only 6 points behind us and 3 behind City. They would also be only 2 behind Liverpool if they lose at West Ham. 

[Warning_Hazard 156]

3 hours ago, maxlev said:

There was nothing quite exciting abt Burnley's game yesterday. We beat them on every aspect including setpieces where they are most dangerous in. We broke down theirr defence at will. If we had convert half our chances the scoreline would have still been a minimum of 3-0. One thing is that when u keep on missing your chances in a game u lead by a small magine, the opponent develops confidence that they can still get something from the game.

We had 25 shots with like 5 on target i think, Burnley did play well, Pope was good for them and their goal was class.

 

Like i said just need to convert some shots into goals more but that will come, The main positive is that we are finding the rub and enabling ourselves to get efforts in at goal.

With lukaku our only outlet up front like weve seen we dont even get that, Id like to see lukaku rotated with kai i.e kai isnt finding the net? send lukaku on etc..

Edited November 7, 2021 by Warning_Hazard

[milka 3,393]

Something positive .

Burnley drew 1-1 with Chelsea in 2015 and 2017 too . 

 

 

[LAM09 7,056]

1 hour ago, Jase said:

 

@MoroccanBlue has already touched on it but I'll say it anyway. It was understandable that Tuchel didn't make any changes before late on. We were playing well but we just weren't taking the chances, something that no one can legislate. No guarantee at all that Pulisic or Mount - who aren't in the best of shape - would have put the chances away had either come on earlier. As it has been said many times, yes, the draw against Burnley was frustrating but shit happens. It was just one of those days, just like we fluked a win at Brentford. What we need to ensure is games like this are kept to a minimum or zero for the season. 

Just to put it bluntly, this won't be a rare occurrence. You were quite adamant about our attacking players upping their output, but so far, it's looking like the same old story.

Hope I'm proven wrong, though.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, LAM09 said:

Just to put it bluntly, this won't be a rare occurrence. You were quite adamant about our attacking players upping their output, but so far, it's looking like the same old story.

Hope I'm proven wrong, though.

TBF, CHO and Barkley weren't in my consideration when I said that previously. 🤣

[Vesper 30,200]

Tuchel did ZERO wrong yesterday

he got everything spot on

it is not his fault we missed 8 or 9 clear chances

it is just one of those fucking games that football coughs up like a cat hairball every so often

[Tomo 21,751]

28 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Just to put it bluntly, this won't be a rare occurrence. You were quite adamant about our attacking players upping their output, but so far, it's looking like the same old story.

Hope I'm proven wrong, though.

They have this recent week aside.

Admitedly poor opposition but they were scoring for fun vs Malmo first time, Norwich and Newcastle and we were very poor between Villa and Brentford yet came out of that period top. 

[Jase 43,479]

@LAM09 Since you questioned why Tuchel didn't start Pulisic against Burnley...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/11/07/tuchel-on-monitoring-pulisic-s-national-team-involvement-and-hop

‘Christian still feels a little bit of pain but of course...It’s a matter of managing the pain in his ankle, not a matter of a reinjury or anything like that. It’s just that things are still a bit painful for him.'

[King Kante 1,643]

This game was one of those that happen in football were you should win 3 to 6 nil, then somehow draw/lose. 

For me, credit needs to be given to Burnley/Pope for hanging in there and for us to not lose prospective. I mean AC and Silva both only just missed mistimed their headers, Pope made two good saves against CHO (although CHO should've done better with the rebound on the first), Harvetz then makes a great run across the six yard box and the defender gets a slight nick to send it over (I didn't see a reply, so if that was him putting it over then that was a bad miss.) 

On their goal, Rudi slightly falls asleep to play them onside and they take their chance. Stuff like this happens all the time, it is frustrating but we shouldn't lose perspective. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by King Kante

[MoroccanBlue 5,383]

5 hours ago, Jase said:

@LAM09 Since you questioned why Tuchel didn't start Pulisic against Burnley...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/11/07/tuchel-on-monitoring-pulisic-s-national-team-involvement-and-hop

‘Christian still feels a little bit of pain but of course...It’s a matter of managing the pain in his ankle, not a matter of a reinjury or anything like that. It’s just that things are still a bit painful for him.'

And yet he was still selected for the National side?