The Tuchel Thread

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

Where do we go from here? 

Is Havertz out for a while?

[NikkiCFC 8,102]

He is just a couple of bad results away (which we always have in December) from being basically the same as RDM...

And we have no easy games... All these dodgy mid table teams coming and Klopp, Pep and Conte in January... Next 2 months are massive for TT. Also 2 trophies on the line in February. 

[Alabama 1,992]

  On 08/12/2021 at 19:49, NikkiCFC said:

He is just a couple of bad results away (which we always have in December) from being basically the same as RDM...

And we have no easy games... All these dodgy mid table teams coming and Klopp, Pep and Conte in January... Next 2 months are massive for TT. Also 2 trophies on the line in February. 

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Lol....

Plastic fan....too early for this...

Little poor results with several injuries yet this...

[NikkiCFC 8,102]

  On 08/12/2021 at 19:53, Alabama said:

Lol....

Plastic fan....too early for this...

Little poor results with several injuries yet this...

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I say how it is... RDM was bought in mid season won CL and FA Cup. Started season well, but after horrid run in November he was sacked. Not saying this is going to happen again, but it is the fact that if TT lose 2 or 3 more games in December he will be in the same position. I rate him and I hope this does not happens. 

Also dont call plastic someone who barely missed Chelsea game in 20 years...

[Alabama 1,992]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:01, NikkiCFC said:

I say how it is... RDM was bought in mid season won CL and FA Cup. Started season well, but after horrid run in November he was sacked. Not saying this is going to happen again, but it is the fact that if TT lose 2 or 3 more games in December he will be in the same position. I rate him and I hope this does not happens. 

Also dont call plastic someone who barely missed Chelsea game in 20 years...

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Oh sorry for that... I apologise for that but Tuchel case is very different from RDM though might look similar but not the same...then everyone knew RDM is not a top tactician and we didn't even lose today though seems that way....

[OneMoSalah 8,822]

  On 08/12/2021 at 19:49, NikkiCFC said:

He is just a couple of bad results away (which we always have in December) from being basically the same as RDM...

And we have no easy games... All these dodgy mid table teams coming and Klopp, Pep and Conte in January... Next 2 months are massive for TT. Also 2 trophies on the line in February. 

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You are getting a bit too excited. In fact far too excited.

Di Matteo’s fate like Lampard’s was always going to be sealed early due to not being number 1 choice (RDM was warming the seat for Pep although never happened) and not having a great deal of experience at a big club as a manager (both Frank and RDM). Where as Tuchel is arguably of the leading coaches in the top tier of coaches around Europe, having also managed at Dortmund, Paris and now Chelsea, having a lot of experience and success at each club.

We need to pick up more points and improve the performances after some bad games/dropping points v Burnley, Man United and West Ham as well as tonight but I don’t think we need to panic yet about a few results away from changing managers. Thats just extremely over the top.  

Edited December 8, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[Jase 43,479]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:10, OneMoSalah said:

You are getting a bit too excited. In fact far too excited.

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That's a very kind description. 

[NikkiCFC 8,102]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:10, OneMoSalah said:

You are getting a bit too excited. In fact far too excited.

Di Matteo’s fate like Lampard’s was always going to be sealed early due to not being number 1 choice (RDM was warming the seat for Pep although never happened) and not having a great deal of experience at a big club as a manager (both Frank and RDM). Where as Tuchel is arguably of the leading coaches in the top tier of coaches around Europe, having also managed at Dortmund, Paris and now Chelsea, having a lot of experience and success at each club.

We need to pick up more points and improve the performances after some bad games/dropping points v Burnley, Man United and West Ham as well as tonight but I don’t think we need to panic yet about a few results away from changing managers. Thats just extremely over the top.  

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Not saying even if those bad results happen he should be sacked, in fact would not even consider that this season. But I said results wise it would be the same.

[OneMoSalah 8,822]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:20, NikkiCFC said:

Not saying even if those bad results happen he should be sacked, in fact would not even consider that this season. But I said results wise it would be the same.

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But why make the comparison at all then? Lots of our managers have hit poor spells this time of year. 

It just seems stupid and hardly relevant to compare him to RDM unless you’re hinting at the chance that he may be a few results away from maybe losing his job. I mean if you can’t see that then I don’t know. I mean how often is any Chelsea manager compared to Di Matteo result wise ? Or any manager?

Plus Di Matteo was sacked in November so technically Tuchel isn’t a few results away from being like him because its December and he’s still here 😂

Edited December 8, 2021 by OneMoSalah

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

Comparing Tuchel to RDM is just so, so wrong. 

One was a manager that was carried by the players. The other is a manager that carries his players. 

[NikkiCFC 8,102]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:50, MoroccanBlue said:

Comparing Tuchel to RDM is just so, so wrong. 

One was a manager that was carried by the players. The other is a manager that carries his players. 

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I compared them results wise!!!

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:54, NikkiCFC said:

I compared them results wise!!!

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You don't sack a manager on results alone.

DiMatteo didn't have a sustainable system and it was evident the old guard were carrying him.

Tuchel has a sustainable system and it is evident Tuchel's system is carrying a large portion of our players. 

[NikkiCFC 8,102]

  On 08/12/2021 at 21:00, MoroccanBlue said:

Tuchel has a sustainable system and it is evident Tuchel's system is carrying a large portion of our players. 

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2nd part of this sentence I agree. First part no. 3atb system is never sustainable in the long run.

During summer after we won CL the way we played I dont think that can survive long run and I warned about this. 

Kepa winning 3 shootouts saved us in 2 competitions. James and Chilwell really step up this season and other defenders with goals. This is our saving grace this season.

You can survive with it in knockout system, in the league not likely.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

  On 08/12/2021 at 21:12, NikkiCFC said:

2nd part of this sentence I agree. First part no. 3atb system is never sustainable in the long run.

During summer after we won CL the way we played I dont think that can survive long run and I warned about this. 

Kepa winning 3 shootouts saved us in 2 competitions. James and Chilwell really step up this season and other defenders with goals. This is our saving grace this season.

You can survive with it in knockout system, in the league not likely.

 

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Expect we've secured the 2nd most points since Tuchel has been here. We are creating chances at a canter and are defensively solid. How is that not sustainable? 

What you've alluded to can be fixed. Quality in depth and buying attackers tailored to our system. Werner, Ziyech, Havertz, and Lukaku were all purchased on their output rather the system they played, hence the issues up top when you ask all 4 of them to play a system they never have. 

Simply buying Chiesa and having Broja back would imo tremendously fix our attack. 

[OneMoSalah 8,822]

  On 08/12/2021 at 20:54, NikkiCFC said:

I compared them results wise!!!

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Tuchel as Chelsea manager:

54 games, 33 wins, 13 draws, 8 losses.

Di Matteo as Chelsea manager:

42 games, 24 wins, 9 wins, 9 losses. 

Either way what a very strange comparison to make after a run of bad results… very suspect

[Jase 43,479]

  On 08/12/2021 at 21:16, MoroccanBlue said:

We are creating chances at a canter and are defensively solid. How is that not sustainable? 

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Funnily enough, our xG and xGA in the league so far this season are pretty much the same at the same stage last season:

We are creating lots of chances but a lot of them have been scored by defenders. Is that sustainable throughout the season? It remains to be seen. 

  On 08/12/2021 at 21:16, MoroccanBlue said:

What you've alluded to can be fixed. Quality in depth and buying attackers tailored to our system. Werner, Ziyech, Havertz, and Lukaku were all purchased on their output rather the system they played, hence the issues up top when you ask all 4 of them to play a system they never have.

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Isn't that the downside of basically constantly sacking managers? 

Whatever the hell Lampard's plan was, he bought Werner, Havertz and Ziyech with an idea in mind. Then of course things changed after he got the sack. 

[SomethingSomething 17]

Some were saying we were in a rut during september when we lost to city, but right now we are in worse state IMO. What connect both runs are injuries.

Difference is creative blockade is something that can be dealt with (last time), defensive liabilites lie in entire system breaking out (now).

3 goals conceded to WHU, 3 to Zenit. No clean sheet in 4 games. Bad luck or not.

We played like shit under Tuchel at times, but this is the first time we are looking absolutely average at the back and teams will look to exploit, the impression that we cant concede is dead in the water for now. 

Hopefuly Chilly recovers and we bounce back in january.

[MoroccanBlue 5,322]

Norwich, Leicester, and Juventus are the only three games this season where our defence, midfield, and attack were all in sync.