The Tuchel Thread

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24 minutes ago, Mana said:

Ehhhhh, I'm sorry but I have to disagree on this here. Lampard did not do brilliantly.

Yes we lost Hazard and we were not able to buy players, but you think if someone like TT was appointed last season, they'll do worse than Lampard or something? You're giving Lampard way too much credit here. Last season was completely shambolic, except we got 4th place. The stats and shocking results do not lie.

Think about it, how can the worst Chelsea coach under the Roman era, did a superb job?

Well the squad we had last season, I saw no chance of us even getting top 4. I don't think most managers would of done better with that squad. Yes I do think he done brilliantly. No Hazard. People may mock Luiz, however we sold our most experienced defender to a rival and finished well clear of them in the end. We went with our front three last season with Barkley, Pedro and Abraham. LOL. Pulisic then got a run and often him, Willian were with Abraham. The defence was a shambles.

Of course he done a brilliant job. Lamps got the best out of the squad we had and yes we done very well. That is why he was on the list of nominations for manager of the year, albeit it went to Klopp deservedly, but the fact he had a nomination reflects the job he did with the task on hand.

Considering no players bought and juggling cup competitions with Europe, yes he did brilliant.

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7 hours ago, Mana said:

Ehhhhh, I'm sorry but I have to disagree on this here. Lampard did not do brilliantly.

Yes we lost Hazard and we were not able to buy players, but you think if someone like TT was appointed last season, they'll do worse than Lampard or something? You're giving Lampard way too much credit here. Last season was completely shambolic, except we got 4th place. The stats and shocking results do not lie.

Think about it, how can the worst Chelsea coach under the Roman era, did a superb job?

Someone at the calibre of Tuchel very likely wouldn't have accepted the job at that point.

Yes the season wasn't perfect, yes Lampard made some very strange decisions (shoehorning an out of sorts Kante in every game he was available drove me up the wall) but there was enough encouragement from when the performances did come together that it could have progressed into a good end product. We were also largely good in the big games despite often not getting the result we desired, he also got a level out of Pulisic that not even Tuchel has managed to do (at BVB or so far here).

The hope was that the good part of his management would become more dominant over the green part, unfortunately the opposite happened and yes there was no arguments he deserved the sack when he got it, but let's not water down last season, we lost our elite game changer (for all intents and purposes lost two world class player's given Kante's form) and had a keeper almost throwing shots into the net, to get a top four spot with those handicaps was a decent achievement regardless of whether the points tally would usually be enough or not.

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It feels good to have a good tactician again. The trait he has that I like the most is his pro-activeness. As soon as he sees someone heavily underperforming in the first half, he subs them in 45th minute. 

This is something that literally never happened under Frank.

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32 minutes ago, Azul said:

It feels good to have a good tactician again. The trait he has that I like the most is his pro-activeness. As soon as he sees someone heavily underperforming in the first half, he subs them in 45th minute. 

This is something that literally never happened under Frank.

Honestly bro, that is not true. Arsenal this season he hooked off Werner and Kovacic at H/T. This season against WBA, he took off Alonso and Kovacic at H/T and his changes paid off. Even last season against Arsenal when we won 2-1 at Emirates, he took off Emerson just before the 35th minute and brought on Jorginho because we were getting dominated and that changed the game. Also took off Tomori and put Lamptey on. The changes worked brilliantly. Yes, Tuchel is more of a tactician but let's not just paint out that Lamps was some naive manager who just did not bother to make changes, because he did.

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3 hours ago, Stats said:

Honestly bro, that is not true. Arsenal this season he hooked off Werner and Kovacic at H/T. This season against WBA, he took off Alonso and Kovacic at H/T and his changes paid off. Even last season against Arsenal when we won 2-1 at Emirates, he took off Emerson just before the 35th minute and brought on Jorginho because we were getting dominated and that changed the game. Also took off Tomori and put Lamptey on. The changes worked brilliantly. Yes, Tuchel is more of a tactician but let's not just paint out that Lamps was some naive manager who just did not bother to make changes, because he did.

Valid example with last season's win at Arsenal.

As for the ones at Arsenal and West Brom this season, given we were so bad in the first half of both games, you would be hard pressed to find any manager that would not make changes at HT. 

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Valid example with last season's win at Arsenal.

As for the ones at Arsenal and West Brom this season, given we were so bad in the first half of both games, you would be hard pressed to find any manager that would not make changes at HT. 

 Yes, but I am just making the point that Lamps has proven he will change when he feels necessary and sometimes more than the one sub. Most managers, I would say 9/10 rarely will change a player at half time if their team is not winning. Tuchel obviously does things a bit earlier, which I do like, but just pointing out that when Lmaps thought things were going really bad, albeit losing he made changes and sometimes changed formation.

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3 minutes ago, Stats said:

 Yes, but I am just making the point that Lamps has proven he will change when he feels necessary and sometimes more than the one sub. Most managers, I would say 9/10 rarely will change a player at half time if their team is not winning. Tuchel obviously does things a bit earlier, which I do like, but just pointing out that when Lmaps thought things were going really bad, albeit losing he made changes and sometimes changed formation.

Yeah but there's a difference in making a change when you're losing 1-0 compared to 2-0 or 3-0 with a bad performance. Main problem with Lampard, IMO, this season was he didn't make or rarely made any tactical changes (and I don't mean like-for-like subs) when the game was going away from us, regardless of whether we were winning, drawing or losing. Southampton at home and Wolves away are 2 games off the top of my head.

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3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yeah but there's a difference in making a change when you're losing 1-0 compared to 2-0 or 3-0 with a bad performance. Main problem with Lampard, IMO, this season was he didn't make or rarely made any tactical changes (and I don't mean like-for-like subs) when the game was going away from us, regardless of whether we were winning, drawing or losing. Southampton at home and Wolves away are 2 games off the top of my head.

That, I agree with.

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Psychologically, Tuchel is sincere with how he speaks. You can tell he doesnt hide his passion or intention, there is purpose with everything he says and does. Good man TT.

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Shame about this one, would have been SOME goal.

 

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18 minutes ago, Milan said:

Shame about this one, would have been SOME goal.

 

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My eyes bleed at that first video when we could have played in Werner early...

Anyway, playing through the press and the others bit are what we saw under Sarri and to an extent under Conte. This is what can happen when we have a manager who implements a structure in the team and coach the players about possession and positional play. It also helps with our counter-pressing if we lose the ball along the way. 

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18 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

I‘m entitled to my opinion. I support the club, no fake legends.

I saw your reputation and saw it was quite high for your post count, that is why I could never tell whether you were trolling or not, however I have just seen your profile picture now. I know the definite answer now... 🖕🏾

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9 minutes ago, Stats said:

I saw your reputation and saw it was quite high for your post count, that is why I could never tell whether you were trolling or not, however I have just seen your profile picture now. I know the definite answer now... 🖕🏾

was uncalled for - apologies

Edited March 6, 2021 by ZaynChelsea

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On 06/03/2021 at 12:17, Stats said:

Honestly bro, that is not true. Arsenal this season he hooked off Werner and Kovacic at H/T. This season against WBA, he took off Alonso and Kovacic at H/T and his changes paid off. Even last season against Arsenal when we won 2-1 at Emirates, he took off Emerson just before the 35th minute and brought on Jorginho because we were getting dominated and that changed the game. Also took off Tomori and put Lamptey on. The changes worked brilliantly. Yes, Tuchel is more of a tactician but let's not just paint out that Lamps was some naive manager who just did not bother to make changes, because he did.

I shouldn't have brought up Lampard, because talking about his inabilities as a coach doesn't sit well with me. He is still a legend of the club.

However he only subbed players off at half time, when the performance was a disaster in the first half. He rarely did it as well, because he usually likes to start subbing players around the 70th minute. When you can clearly see that we needed a goal.

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