Puliiszola 519 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 42 minutes ago, R2D2 said: If you are done with people like me, why even quote me when I didn't mention you to begin with in this discussion, the post wasn't necessary addressed to you but to the people who defended Mount for over an year now but can't have little patience with Kai even though he is new and adapting while coming back from strong covid symptoms. I know someone who contacted the virus in April and he says even now he doesn't feel 100% so it's not as easy as testing negative and healthy again. You call someone a troll, and expect them to take it lying down just because you did not "quote" them? Seriously? So just because i dont "directly quote" anyone, I can write whatever I want? Are those the rules? Also, I did not be the judge, jury and executioner for KAI like you are/were with MOUNT. Understand the difference. I dont "hate" KAI like you and some other posters do with Mount, thats the difference. I want him to succeed but I can question him and his performance and most importantly his attitude in the game which seems lazy. Understand these differences where one poster is hating on a player and another is asking question regarding his performances and in a lot of cases accepting the answers. Being patient with a player does not mean you forgive lack of effort or lack of some very very basic play. Kai not able to hold the ball has nothing to do with Covid. Stop using that as an excuse. If he is yet to be fit, then he should not be available for selection. Stop using Covid for his footballing abilities. 42 minutes ago, R2D2 said: I don't care about any childish 4chan type poll or something to notice all your posts are passive aggressive, some may not like me or my views which is fine, thing is all of them show their age and can actually make a post without feeling the need to personal attack or insult, can't say the same about you. You comment in this thread for over a month now asking what are Havertz strengths and after say everyone can spot Mount's talent from a mile away, can't take you seriously. You tried to call me an idiot for saying the assist/goal contribution is irrelevant when comparing them because Havertz played in a more advanced role, which is nonsense as well. You remind of a certain poster on the other forum called didier or something who couldn't make a point without insulting and was angry at anyone who didn't rate Willian. LOL. WHAT? 42 minutes ago, R2D2 said: Did Chelsea take money from your account to pay Kai to pretend the price tag is relevant? We as fans knew before he even signed he was never worth that price tag for what he offers right now but long term if he develops and fulfills his huge talent will be worth it. Think you should be more angry with players like Drinkwater who was already 27 and the finished product than thinking price tag for a 21 years old with huge potential should dictate expectations. If we bought 21 years old Hazard this year you can be sure we would need to shell out 120 millions if not more to get him. I agree with the last part that some crumble under the pressure of price tag but again should be irrelevant as of now since we obviously haven't seen anywhere near enough to draw such a conclusion. Brilliant argument. So just because Chelsea did not take money from my account i should be happy with them for anything? Extrapolating that arguement, do you own chelsea? Why does it winning or losing affect you? Do you work in the organization? Why does Chelsea affect you at all. I guess being a fan, things happening with Chelsea, be it good or bad, affect you, even if its Chelsea's money which could probably have been used better. And suprising you raise this point, when all you do is hate on mount. Has he personally harmed you in some way? 42 minutes ago, R2D2 said: Last point I want to make, you must have serious issues to think I hate or dislike Mount as a person or human being, I dislike him as a football player and what he offers for my favorite team, last couple months he improved I admit but isn't anywhere near a world beater as one would believe reading some of the posts here, imagine taking Frank nepotism and Chillwell friendship banter serious. Mind you those words about ridiculing or attacking people, a bit of humbleness wouldn't hurt since you've clashed with several other people on here if I remember right. Anyways we've derailed enough this thread, feel free to do what you like but I won't respond furthermore in relation to this off topic and Mount for that matter just Kai if you have anything to add. THIS is the gist of the matter. Just because you DISLIKE mount and ridicule him no matter how good he is or how well he is rated in the footballing community, you think anyone who is "questioning" any player must DISLIKE the player the way you do. Let me tell you THAT is not true. You can want a player to succeed and still question them. And question them when its legit instead of being blinded by the dislike. I DONT DISLIKE KAI. I cant be any clearer about it. I also have yet to see him being anywhere close to the 70mil player and the world beater that he is touted to be. I see a lot of issues with the basics of his game that you would not see with some of the other future superstars like mbappe (since he is supposed to be in THAT elite category of talent). Am i able to make myself clear? I honestly dont need advice from someone whose 50% of the posts are about ridiculing player(s). I am fine the way i am, I call it as i see it. If someone is being unfair to a player of the team, I would call him/her out on it even if it rubs people the wrong way. I dont go about hating on our own player(s) or calling them names like "Donkeywater" or "Donkeyoko" or "Batshit" just for a few cheap likes. If the admins have an issue with me, they are yet to inform/warn me as of YET. Until them, you can continue your crusade on our player(s), and i will continue mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Not a good game again. He's not the creative spark we thought he was so far. We badly need Ziyech back. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautvix 1,321 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 One more game, same old question... So what is he supposed to be good at? Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Pulled off the field again, tells you everything and he offers nothing, absolute waste of space right now. communicate and Puliiszola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Starting with him is like starting with 10 men. Dont play him this weekend please. Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikkiCFC 8,324 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 We were even worse without him killer1257 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmas 131 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said: We were even worse without him Why, because when kovavic come on, he isnt afraid to try something and not as static as he is? Puliiszola 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDA 9,941 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 He looks scared to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, DDA said: He looks scared to play. Gotta wonder whether all this shoehorning from Lampard has been more bad than good... Also find it a bit strange that Lampard took like 2 months to integrate Pulisic last season but immediately threw Havertz into the fire and doesn't seem to want to take him out of it for a while. Blue Armour and communicate 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,439 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 We took a gamble on Havertz and it failed. Don't get me wrong., I'm not complaining that we signed we him. We definitely needed a player of his profile and potential. But to think he was ready to become a regular member of the starting 11 and sending the likes of Barkley/RLC away on loan was a gamble that has paid off poorly so far IMO. He was unlucky with the covid infection, but there are so many times this season where he just doesn't know what to do with the ball and just ends up conceding possession. Looks like he is one of those players that needs to be slowly worked into the team and the league, unlike the likes of Hazard/Pulisic who were far more mature with their decision making, at the time of their debut kellzfresh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyeye 7,509 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 he looks out of depth and low on confidence atm, needs to be benched. Vesper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 He looks like a player who needs spaces to operate and there are n't any these days. Maybe the legend Charle Cook who played in a similar position would n't be that much of a legend in today's football. Vesper, Johnnyeye and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Technical ability is there, definitely, he just seems to have inherited Alonsos languid style. Just a phase hopefully bigbluewillie and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said: Technical ability is there, definitely, he just seems to have inherited Alonsos languid style. Just a phase hopefully Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. He is not that bug eyed and paid 350k a week to go shopping manpe and bigbluewillie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
communicate 2,703 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 7:23 AM, Jason said: Gotta wonder whether all this shoehorning from Lampard has been more bad than good... Also find it a bit strange that Lampard took like 2 months to integrate Pulisic last season but immediately threw Havertz into the fire and doesn't seem to want to take him out of it for a while. Lamp did well of benching Pulisic. He kinda have to do the same thing with Kai. Maybe covid affected him, I don't know. Early in the season, he has problem against epl physicality now he is just suck at everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puliiszola 519 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 On 12/16/2020 at 4:53 AM, Jason said: Gotta wonder whether all this shoehorning from Lampard has been more bad than good... Also find it a bit strange that Lampard took like 2 months to integrate Pulisic last season but immediately threw Havertz into the fire and doesn't seem to want to take him out of it for a while. Probably because Puli was not a "Lamps' buy". The club had bought him 6 months ago. Kai is "his" buy and hence, he is looking for instant results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Puliiszola said: Probably because Puli was not a "Lamps' buy". The club had bought him 6 months ago. Kai is "his" buy and hence, he is looking for instant results. Probably so but just going by Lampard's explanation last season, he should try to do the same with Havertz. Unless Havertz starts to pick it up, trying to shoehorn him now doesn't help anyone's cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbluewillie 1,930 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 The knockers. I have no problem in that I think Havertz does have it to succeed here but it will take time, it's obvious he hasn't hit the ground running. But that said have you learnt nothing from Mourinho dumping De Bruyne, and Mo Salah, look how not being patient and allowing a player to grow turned out for them. Fulham Broadway, Vesper, The Skipper and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimmas 131 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Jason said: Long story short, he is rather similar to Ozil. Really? This is the best hope i also have But so far, he is really nothing special. Far worse than ozil, mata. He seems have a good touch, vision, technically talented. But he seems lacking something really essential He is too easy to dispossed, his mentality and his dribbling ability is also worrying, is not just about the pace because neither ozil and mata has it I know i'm being really harsh. But sometimes I even questioned his basic skill to become top or standout player. The way he shielding the ball is sad too see, barely have any desire to create anything, his tendency to choose safe passing is a bit too much for me, and too many matches i saw him barely giving any threat to our opposition, bar barnsley and sevilla game Sir Mikel OBE, Puliiszola and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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