21. Ben Chilwell

[killer1257 3,282]

It still seems to be an issue for many now, with the 50 million. 

Yes, because he is still the second most expensive LB of all time. Do not forget the possibility of add ons like the telegraph mentionend.

All the other alternatives cost half the price of Chilwell. So very costly and high expectations for a guy that did not have a good last season. Also, we criticise Emerson and Alonso when Mahrez destroys them, but Chilwell gets destroyed by Mahrez too. I have also seen Lamptey destroying Chilwell. Moreover, he has been injured for two months now. So many reasons why we should stay away from Chilwell.


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33 minutes ago, Vesper said:

I am much less concerned at £50m than £80m, plus that RM demand of a buy-back clause on Reguilon really pisses me off

Yep, same here.

I'm not 100% sold on Chillwell's quality but all possible LB signings right now (Chillwell, Reguilon, Telles, Tagliafico) are gambles and at a much lower price than the £80M initially reported I'm more than happy with getting Chillwell if that's who Lampard really wants.

Surely Lampard and the rest of the coaching team have watched him extensively and know what they're getting to ask the club to commit that much funds for his signature. To say it's "English bias" is just lazy because Lamps has already gotten Werner, Ziyech and looking to get Havertz. He could easily have just gone for English alternative like Jack Grealish if being English mattered that much but it doesn't.

27 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, because he is still the second most expensive LB of all time. Do not forget the possibility of add ons like the telegraph mentionend.

Thing is, around 50m seems to be the new normal market price for that kind of player.

For full-backs that price has been paid for Walker, Wan-Bissaka, B. Mendy, F. Mendy and Cancelo in the last couple years. As far as the fee is concerned it matters fuck all whether it's a LB or RB.

And Lucas Hernandez went for €80M too, although with Davies playing as well as he has Hernandez has played primarily CB at Bayern.

The add-ons for Chillwell were reported at €5M. If Chillwell is a big success, does it really matter if the club have to pay a few million more to Leicester in a year or two? And if he doesn't come good, it's very likely the add-ons will never be paid.

27 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

All the other alternatives cost half the price of Chilwell. So very costly and high expectations for a guy that did not have a good last season. Also, we criticise Emerson and Alonso when Mahrez destroys them, but Chilwell gets destroyed by Mahrez too. I have also seen Lamptey destroying Chilwell. Moreover, he has been injured for two months now. So many reasons why we should stay away from Chilwell.

You keep bringing up the games against Mahrez and Lamptey. Don't you think you could find similarly bad games for literally any player on the planet? Reguilon was shit defensively just this week against Manchester United but I don't see many people constantly bringing that up, instead everyone just creams their pants over his goal assist in the game.

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5 minutes ago, Jype said:

Yep, same here.

I'm not 100% sold on Chillwell's quality but all possible LB signings right now (Chillwell, Reguilon, Telles, Tagliafico) are gambles and at a much lower price than the £80M initially reported I'm more than happy with getting Chillwell if that's who Lampard really wants.

Surely Lampard and the rest of the coaching team have watched him extensively and know what they're getting to ask the club to commit that much funds for his signature. To say it's "English bias" is just lazy because Lamps has already gotten Werner, Ziyech and looking to get Havertz. He could easily have just gone for English alternative like Jack Grealish if being English mattered that much but it doesn't.

Thing is, around 50m seems to be the new normal market price for that kind of player.

For full-backs that price has been paid for Walker, Wan-Bissaka, B. Mendy, F. Mendy and Cancelo in the last couple years. As far as the fee is concerned it matters fuck all whether it's a LB or RB.

And Lucas Hernandez went for €80M too, although with Davies playing as well as he has Hernandez has played primarily CB at Bayern.

The add-ons for Chillwell were reported at €5M. If Chillwell is a big success, does it really matter if the club have to pay a few million more to Leicester in a year or two? And if he doesn't come good, it's very likely the add-ons will never be paid.

You keep bringing up the games against Mahrez and Lamptey. Don't you think you could find similarly bad games for literally any player on the planet? Reguilon was shit defensively just this week against Manchester United but I don't see many people constantly bringing that up, instead everyone just creams their pants over his goal assist in the game.

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And don't ever leave again, Jype! 

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Just now, Jason said:

And don't ever leave again, Jype! 

Hahah, I'll try to stay more active here. 

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11 minutes ago, iceboy said:

 

It's a close here we go on 2 of the three I feel.

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18 minutes ago, Jype said:

Reguilon was shit defensively just this week against Manchester United but I don't see many people constantly bringing that up.

no he was not

I agree with the rest, but not that at all

he was the highest rated non GK defensively v Manure

and the highest rated fullback in the EL finals last week in Germany up until the final game (waiting the final update)

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2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

no he was not

I agree with the rest, but not that at all

he was the highest rated non GK defensively v Manure

Those ratings would have looked a lot different if United hadn't messed up all their glorious goalscoring chances with bad finishing. Their defense as a whole conceded a ton of chances and Reguilon was a part of that.

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17 minutes ago, iceboy said:

 

it’d be a loan with buy option in June 2021

FUCK

they will screw us again

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Just now, Jype said:

Those ratings would have looked a lot different if United hadn't messed up all their glorious goalscoring chances with bad finishing. Their defense as a whole conceded a ton of chances and Reguilon was a part of that.

that is not how it works

you cannot go back and reverse engineer the past 25,000 games for could-haves, should-haves, would-haves

not my problem those Manc cunts fucked up good chances

they left Germany with nothing in terms of medals or trophies

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nah fuck loaning , we can offer him for chump change and these cheapskates will try and take advantage of our generosity , pay up or piss off 

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

that is not how it works

you cannot go back and reverse engineer the past 25,000 games for could-haves, should-haves, would-haves

not my problem those Manc cunts fucked up good chances

they left Germany with nothing in terms of medals or trophies

Agree to disagree then. I don't consider a team/player to have had a good performance defensively if they conceded a lot of clear-cut chances, whether they end up as goals or not. I don't care what the stats say about that, I will rather go with what I see with my own eyes.

And anyway I was responding to a guy who kept going on and on about Chillwell being 'destroyed' by Lamptey. That game ended 0-0 so going by your logic Chillwell must have had a glorious game that day, having kept a clean sheet and all. 

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3 hours ago, Pulisicismydaddy said:

Go and read the last 15 pages most are extremely happy he left for this sum, there are few sad on the price but the majority don't even care he left and are happy on the potential replacement who can improve them. Even his player thread was infested with members saying he is shit and wanted him gone. As a matter of fact the Bakayoko and Drinkwater threads first pages look almost identical to this one where people defend them for any reason under moon, unfortunately we know how those ended.

I'm not kin on this transfer one bit, you don't pay 50 mil for a player who is maximum at the same level to others costing 25 mil only because he is English and Lampard is obsessed with British players, the he knows the league is also overstated, if you're good you adapt in any league anyways, just like Thiago will adapt if he comes here and suddenly becomes our best defender, you either are good or not.

How many fans have you ever heard distraught at a players sale? Bar out and out super stars most put on a brave face and a stiff upper lip. Don't think that's an accurate barometer of a players abilities

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Yes, because he is still the second most expensive LB of all time

 

So what? What's that got to do with anything? 

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You keep bringing up the games against Mahrez and Lamptey. Don't you think you could find similarly bad games for literally any player on the planet? Reguilon was shit defensively just this week against Manchester United but I don't see many people constantly bringing that up, instead everyone just creams their pants over his goal assist in the game.

Triggered add ons do not mean much about how well Chilwell played.
Hazard played bad and we still got 35 millions of euros because some funny add ons got triggered. Marina masterclass

And I keep bringing Mahrez and Lamptey up because I saw those matches live. There are probably way more players that Chilwell could not handle.
And what is the point buying such an expensive LB when he is hardly an improvement? When you compare the defense stats of Alonso and Chilwell, you do not see much difference. Offensive wise, Alonso might even be better when you look at the stats. So he can't handle the top players and his stats are not impressive either.

And you mention the new market. Telles and Tagliafico would cost 30 million Euros, while Reguilon costs 25 million Euros.
So I cannot see this new market, in which 50 million became a standard price for all LBs. Maybe for english players, but clearly not international players. Tagliafico, Telles and Reguilon cost less.

And even if Reguilon is as bad at defending as Chilwell is, which I do not think is the case because Reguilon has better defense stats, he still costs less than half of his price. If Chilwell was just spanish, he would cost the same price as all these other LB alternatives. Him being English makes him worth double the price. Maguirr was not worth 80 million Euros. He was worth 40 million Euros. If Harry was spanish, he would have been transferred for around 40-50 million Euros.


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3 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

And what is the point buying such an expensive LB when he is hardly an improvement? 

 

The point is that our manager wants him seemingly. That's all that matters! Whether you like him or think he's worth it is irrelevant

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5 minutes ago, Jype said:

Agree to disagree then. I don't consider a team/player to have had a good performance defensively if they conceded a lot of clear-cut chances, whether they end up as goals or not. I don't care what the stats say about that, I will rather go with what I see with my own eyes.

And anyway I was responding to a guy who kept going on and on about Chillwell being 'destroyed' by Lamptey. That game ended 0-0 so going by your logic Chillwell must have had a glorious game that day, having kept a clean sheet and all. 

chalk and cheese, and I never discussed Lamptey v Chilwell (which, tbf, you did say it was another poster)

Lamptey is not remotely in Chilwell's league atm, if you want my opinion on those two (although they do not play the same position)

if we waved a magic wand and Lamptey was trotted out for 35, 36 games as our EPL-game-starting RB, I would be tearing my hair out

he is a dwarf  in footie terms (20cms shorter than me the last time his height was listed by CFC) and that utter lack of height would have killed us over the long run

(he was listed at 1.63m on our club, and Wikipedia keeps getting edited to 1.65m, maybe he grew 2cms I suppose)

IF this shite is true

we are well fucked

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44 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

Hazard played bad and we still got 35 millions of euros because some funny add ons got triggered. Marina masterclass

 

 

we have not gotten all the add-on's triggered only some (RM winning the league his first year was the major one) but nowhere near €35m worth

some are basically impossible (like him winning the Ballon d'Or, etc)

we got between £10m and £15m for RM winning the league

(T-markt says 13.5m as they added on £13.5m to his original £90m t-fee)

IF all are met, we end up with around £130m

 

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50 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

And what is the point buying such an expensive LB when he is hardly an improvement? When you compare the defense stats of Alonso and Chilwell, you do not see much difference. Offensive wise, Alonso might even be better when you look at the stats. So he can't handle the top players and his stats are not impressive either.

 

What? Chilwell is "Hardly an improvement" on alonso and emerson? Really?

Did you watch Leicester for the first 20 games?