Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Gilmour had a knee operation this morning. Out for 3-4 months. YIKES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Kante not fit for this game. Kovacic is back in training, will be available for selection. Tomori is nearing full fitness but not quite ready for this game yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Injuries after injuries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoroccanBlue 5,382 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Special Juan said: Injuries after injuries... We have depth. United have refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said: We have depth. United have refs. We can't compete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strike 7,490 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jason said: Kante not fit for this game. Kovacic is back in training, will be available for selection. Tomori is nearing full fitness but not quite ready for this game yet. Tentatively an October return. Tough on Billy. Fingers crossed he's back to full fitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Kepa Azpilicueta Christensen Zouma Alonso Jorginho Kovacic Mount Willian Pulisic Giroud That what I think FL will go with ZAPHOD2319 and hiterto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,917 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 14 minutes ago, Special Juan said: Kepa Azpilicueta Christensen Zouma Alonso Jorginho Kovacic Mount Willian Pulisic Giroud That what I think FL will go with Yep. I'd swap AC for Rüdi but I know Frank won't since he like AC so much. killer1257 and Thesara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 watch lamps sit jorginho's on the bench again and play that newbie Bate over him just for the lolz -.- Thesara, Supermonkey92 and communicate 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 Wonder if Lampard might switch to a back 3 to counter Sheffield's back 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanP2311 65 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 That stat about Sheffield United and corners makes me nervous. OTOH the offense is creating a lot of good chances that aren’t being converted. I have to believe the conversion rate will improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Wonder if Lampard might switch to a back 3 to counter Sheffield's back 3... Wouldn't be wise on this occasion, Wilder has added more tactical edges to that formation than even Conte, the underlapping CB's would have us tripping over ourselves. I usually feel the best formation to counter this Sheffield side would be a diamond (Leicester did it at BL in August and absolutely destroyed them) but that leaves a problem as our two most in form players are wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Word coming out of Manchester is that City are going to get their ban overturned. By now they probably know the decision as it is being announced on Monday at 9:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killer1257 3,282 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Word coming out of Manchester is that City are going to get their ban overturned. By now they probably know the decision as it is being announced on Monday at 9:30. According to media, this is not how it works. They get the news on Monday and couple of hours after City get the results, CAS and City publish their statements. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, killer1257 said: According to media, this is not how it works. They get the news on Monday and couple of hours after City get the results, CAS and City publish their statements. Gesendet von meinem VOG-L29 mit Tapatalk Let's see. I have always felt that they would get it overturned as; a) the evidence was acquired via a hack - therefore probably can be dismissed, FFP is essentially a cartel system as breaks all sorts of commercial laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 47 minutes ago, King Kante said: Let's see. I have always felt that they would get it overturned as; a) the evidence was acquired via a hack - therefore probably can be dismissed, FFP is essentially a cartel system as breaks all sorts of commercial laws. The evidence may have been acquired via a hack but if City did break the rules, then they should still be punished regardless. If CAS overturn the ban completely, you'd imagine it will open a can of worms for UEFA to deal with as well as potential 'WTFs' from clubs. killer1257 and Thesara 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: The evidence may have been acquired via a hack but if City did break the rules, then they should still be punished regardless. If CAS overturn the ban completely, you'd imagine it will open a can of worms for UEFA to deal with as well as potential 'WTFs' from clubs. Problem is here is that there are protocol's to acquiring evidence. It is similar to how the Police cannot just kick your door down without a warrant. If they do, and even if they find something that incriminates you, then you still get off as the evidence wasn't acquired in the correct manner. I suspect this is how and why City will get off i.e. they did break the rules but there is a technicality that gets them off. If this doesn't work, I am still unsure that FFP can actually be legally enforce as it is essential a cartel agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share Posted July 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, King Kante said: Problem is here is that there are protocol's to acquiring evidence. It is similar to how the Police cannot just kick your door down without a warrant. If they do, and even if they find something that incriminates you, then you still get off as the evidence wasn't acquired in the correct manner. I suspect this is how and why City will get off i.e. they did break the rules but there is a technicality that gets them off. If this doesn't work, I am still unsure that FFP can actually be legally enforce as it is essential a cartel agreement. City may have a case in that the evidence was gathered illegally but can they prove what they did was within the rules? Would like to think when UEFA opened their investigation, they didn't just rely on the evidence from the hack. They would have done their investigation on City's finances etc to back them up. It will create a lot of problems for UEFA if City were not punished at all. What's then stopping other clubs from doing the same and using this case as a precedent to avoid being punished? At worst, they should get a 1 year ban plus whatever fine to their finance etc. killer1257 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kante 1,643 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jason said: City may have a case in that the evidence was gathered illegally but can they prove what they did was within the rules? Would like to think when UEFA opened their investigation, they didn't just rely on the evidence from the hack. They would have done their investigation on City's finances etc to back them up. It will create a lot of problems for UEFA if City were not punished at all. What's then stopping other clubs from doing the same and using this case as a precedent to avoid being punished? At worst, they should get a 1 year ban plus whatever fine to their finance etc. It depends on the law, in normal cases if the evidence has been acquired in an illegal manner it is inadmissible and holds no weight. Therefore, if that is the only evidence UEFA has (or it was the key piece of evidence they build their case around) then it should be thrown out. On top of this, I am also very unsure FFP is legally enforceable in the EU. This is due to it breaking anti-competitive laws as it prevents/restricts private investment. I am not a legal expert and there may be exceptions for sporting competitions to be excluded from certain laws. However, if they are not I think City have one very strong arguement (illegal acquiring of evidence) and a reasonable arguement (FFP breaks EU anti-conpetitive laws.) This is what makes me think that they will get away with it. I am not saying they are not guilty of breaking FFP but rather that there are clear legal technicalities that could protect City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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