closed Chelsea 2-1 Spurs

[Jase 43,479]

3 hours ago, Mana said:

Who cares. Leipzig are in better form than us.

So, Leipzig are not a pub team to you, aye? 

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

' Don't tell me that Lamela and Ndombele should start the game because they could not start the game. So these guys... fantastic. I cannot be happier to have guys like them with the limitations we have, but here we go and Chelsea drinking sparkling water with lemon watching the game on TV and Saturday morning, thank you very much for the choice Saturday morning we are there again.'

-Jose Mourinho 

tbh it is huge advantage for us. 3:0 please

[Jase 43,479]

34 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

' Don't tell me that Lamela and Ndombele should start the game because they could not start the game. So these guys... fantastic. I cannot be happier to have guys like them with the limitations we have, but here we go and Chelsea drinking sparkling water with lemon watching the game on TV and Saturday morning, thank you very much for the choice Saturday morning we are there again.'

-Jose Mourinho 

tbh it is huge advantage for us. 3:0 please

Yup, Mourinho was already throwing up all the excuses he could yesterday. Not that Spurs getting less rest than us will matter anyway...

[Jase 43,479]

5 hours ago, Mana said:

Who cares. Leipzig are in better form than us.

Actually, it depends. If you look from the November period till now, then no doubt Leipzig are in better form. But if you look at Leipzig's form since the winter break, they have actually won only 2 of their 6 games before last night (D2 L2). The record is exactly the same as our last 6 games, although I supposed they have arguably played better than us despite the dodgy results. 

[Tomo 21,751]

If we win on Saturday Mason Mount will have beaten Mourinho more times than Arsenal have.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Dele fuming, slamming stuff down and Jose comes out with "He's annoyed with his performance, and we played better after he came off"

[killer1257 3,282]

Dele fuming, slamming stuff down and Jose comes out with "He's annoyed with his performance, and we played better after he came off"
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Alli thinks he is Messi or Ronaldo level. He will never reach even a level close to that

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[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

8 hours ago, Mana said:

Who cares. Leipzig are in better form than us.

One way to look at it is that Leipzig play in a league where goals are scored rather frequently and the Spurs could not get their offense to challenge at all.

[DDA 9,941]

5 hours ago, Mana said:

Did I say they have a better squad though?

That's not the point I was making though was it! If you read it properly, I posted about the fact we have a better squad to reinforce the point of us being a better team than them when on form. You made a sweeping statement that Lepzig are better than us, to which I was highlighting as an inaccuracy. 

Why does it feel we have been here before 😂

[Nicco 927]

Leipzig are way better than us, not because they have a better team but because they actually have a coach, teaching them how to play.

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

lol, the Lampard hate amazes me. We are still ahead of what anyone predicted going into preseason.

[Jase 43,479]

36 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

lol, the Lampard hate amazes me. We are still ahead of what anyone predicted going into preseason.

Ahead of what exactly now? If results go against us this weekend, we will drop to 7th. Then what? We saw good things earlier this season but ever since the November international break, our results and performances have become worse and there doesn't seem to be any improvement or indication that we will turn things around. We get one good result and it's followed by two bad ones. The negatives are far outweighing the positives. The defensive problems from earlier this season are still there, we look no more organized than we were before. Injuries to important players are piling up and it's the same kind of injury. Lampard continuously makes questionable decisions - notably his team selection - in every game. Our attacking play of late at times has amounted to nothing more than giving the ball to James to cross into the box and hope someone converts it. It's like being taken back to 2013-2015 and seeing Ivanovic putting endless crosses in. If we are beating the smaller teams but losing to the bigger teams, then we might well still be fine for the season. But we aren't and we are losing to all sorts of teams now, rather easily too! If our form continues to spiral out of control, we may find ourselves behind even the likes of Everton, Burnley, Southampton, Arsenal before we know it and 3 of them were near the relegation zone not too long ago! Furthermore, if our form continues to go south and we finish say 7th or 8th (after being so far ahead of the chasing pack in 4th last November!), how then are we going to sign quality players and convince them that we are moving in the right direction? And if we don't qualify for the Champions League next season, we're gonna suffer a huge financial loss and that means, less transfer budget to sign quality players!

[Vesper 30,185]

On 17/02/2020 at 11:58 PM, Laylabelle said:

Dont want smug face Jose!

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Ahead of what exactly now? If results go against us this weekend, we will drop to 7th. Then what? We saw good things earlier this season but ever since the November international break, our results and performances have become worse and there doesn't seem to be any improvement or indication that we will turn things around. We get one good result and it's followed by two bad ones. The negatives are far outweighing the positives. The defensive problems from earlier this season are still there, we look no more organized than we were before. Injuries to important players are piling up and it's the same kind of injury. Lampard continuously makes questionable decisions - notably his team selection - in every game. Our attacking play of late at times has amounted to nothing more than giving the ball to James to cross into the box and hope someone converts it. It's like being taken back to 2013-2015 and seeing Ivanovic putting endless crosses in. If we are beating the smaller teams but losing to the bigger teams, then we might well still be fine for the season. But we aren't and we are losing to all sorts of teams now, rather easily too! If our form continues to spiral out of control, we may find ourselves behind even the likes of Everton, Burnley, Southampton, Arsenal before we know it and 3 of them were near the relegation zone not too long ago! Furthermore, if our form continues to go south and we finish say 7th or 8th (after being so far ahead of the chasing pack in 4th last November!), how then are we going to sign quality players and convince them that we are moving in the right direction? And if we don't qualify for the Champions League next season, we're gonna suffer a huge financial loss and that means, less transfer budget to sign quality players!

Did you really expect 4th or better at the beginning of the season? I don't remember that. Lampard took over a team on a two transfer window ban that other more proven managers didnt want. It has been a growing season for both the players and for him. If we could have hired a more experienced manager, it would have happened. He is still fielding a team of largely academy players. If at the beginning of the season we said this is a year for the young players to get experience and he will be judged when he has a full team next year, then that is what it should be.

Not sure why people are in a panic about 4th place? that was not expected at the start of the season.

[Jase 43,479]

4 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Did you really expect 4th or better at the beginning of the season? I don't remember that. Lampard took over a team on a two transfer window ban that other more proven managers didnt want. It has been a growing season for both the players and for him. If we could have hired a more experienced manager, it would have happened. He is still fielding a team of largely academy players. If at the beginning of the season we said this is a year for the young players to get experience and he will be judged when he has a full team next year, then that is what it should be.

Not sure why people are in a panic about 4th place? that was not expected at the start of the season.

Fielding a team of LARGELY academy players? LARGELY? Do people just like to generalize things without checking the facts? Only James, Tomori, Mount and Abraham don't have the experience of playing at the highest level (if we're talking the Premier League, then you can throw Pulisic in there as well). Kepa, Azpi, Rudiger, Christensen, Alonso, Emerson, Jorginho, Kovacic, Kante, Willian, Pedro, Giroud, Batshuayi etc are all experienced, they have played in the Premier League and have played top flight football for years now. So how exactly is Lampard fielding a team of LARGELY academy players? 

Even if we don't get Top 4 this season, the least we should be seeing is progression, improvement. We had that earlier in the season but since November, we have been on a downward spiral and look incapable of turning things around. If we don't qualify for the Champions League, we continue to pick up poor results and drop down the table? Then what? What exactly do we have to build on for next season? How are we supposed to get top quality players and challenge for the big trophies if we become a proper mediocre side?!

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

Again, What did you expect at the beginning of the season? Fielding a team is who is on the pitch. Many of our games have been these young players. I agree there should be progress. The first part of the season we were getting better results than we expected. The two transfer ban hurt the team. Letting Hazard leave hurt the team. Is that Lampard's fault? I know people want to blame injuries on Lampard's training, but is that realistic?

[Jase 43,479]

35 minutes ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Again, What did you expect at the beginning of the season? Fielding a team is who is on the pitch. Many of our games have been these young players. I agree there should be progress. The first part of the season we were getting better results than we expected. The two transfer ban hurt the team. Letting Hazard leave hurt the team. Is that Lampard's fault? I know people want to blame injuries on Lampard's training, but is that realistic?

What did I expect? I expect to see at least progression, improvement. I expect to see good coaching being shown, good decisions being made. But all of those have gone of the window since November. Why? Why have we looked so bad and incapable of producing good, consistent performances, even just for 2-3 consecutive games? Sure the transfer ban last summer did not help but isn't it too convenient that excuse is being constantly used now? When we were doing well earlier this season, people said the ban was the best thing that's happened to us and that Hazard leaving has made us play better as a team. But now we're in a bad form, suddenly the transfer ban and Hazard leaving excuses are being thrown about.  

[Laylabelle 9,535]

To learn from mistakes!! We keep conceding from set pieces. You dont carry on the same way if that's a issue. Its costing us. 4 wins in 14 is crap. Didnt expect miracles but it's the same story 

[ZAPHOD2319 4,818]

2 minutes ago, Jason said:

What did I expect? I expect to see at least progression, improvement. I expect to see good coaching being shown, good decisions being made. But all of those have gone of the window since November. Why? Why have we looked so bad and incapable of producing good, consistent performances, event just for 2-3 consecutive games? Sure the transfer ban last summer did not help but isn't it too convenient that excuse is being constantly used now? When we were doing well earlier this season, people said the ban was the best thing that's happened to us and that Hazard leaving has made us play better as a team. But now we're in a bad form, suddenly the transfer ban and Hazard leaving excuses are being thrown about.  

I never bought the idea that the ban or Hazard was a good thing? They are not excuses, they are reality.

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

I never bought the idea that the ban or Hazard was a good thing? They are not excuses, they are reality.

But they become excuses when people conveniently mention them based on the situation.

And even with the transfer ban, we weren't stripped down to the bare bones. There are still good players in the team to produce good results and good performances! The transfer ban is no excuse for Lampard's incapability of making us organized defensively at the very least or his continuous questionable decision making.