Super Frank Thread

[Superblue 6,370]

2 hours ago, ZaynChelsea said:

Fed up of this ManCity mercenary. He is proving that he got no spark of dignity. Otherwise, he‘d resign.

Embarrassing. Seriously embarrassing. 

Criticism of aspects of Lampard's management at present is all fine and well but it shouldn't be forgotten right now that he is one of the greatest players the club has ever had and anything during this period should never tarnish or warrant disrespect for that. 

A player that spent 13 years at the club, was a major component in winning a bucket load of trophies and broke all sorts of club and premier league records here. Wasn't given a new contract by Chelsea but is a Man City mercenary?!

It's everything that's wrong with the current football fan, and infuriates me because it really makes our club look like a joke when comments like this are chucked around.

[communicate 2,703]

I think the most important thing that Lampard need to show is clear improvement in the team. Like many title winning team, us, pool or even city, you can tell the need and once they are met, they turn into title contender. 

Mourinho 2nd stint

We looked good but we can't breakdown deep defense. Fab and Diego came in, done. 

Pool

Klopp build his team pieces by pieces. First few season, pretty much adding quality into the team. Then they neeed a goalscorer, salah. Need a cb and a dm. Vvd n Fabinho done, monster team. 

Pep

1st season, very chaotic but you can tell the biggest problem are his two fb, they were too old to play the style that he want. Signed up 3 fb, done. 

Us, last season biggest need are gk. With willian and Pedro gone of winger are also priority. We also need goalscorer, werner came in. DM is a need but kante as dm is pretty good. We even upgraded our lb and get silva plus havertz. Boom, we still have massive problem and I am not sure what else do we need. 

[blu35_army 551]

if we can't get the 4th spot for the worse,,this year could be a nightmare for lampard. his legacy as a legend for more than 10 years in this club would be forgotten by fans slowly. what a shame....

[Muzchap 8,966]

1 hour ago, blu35_army said:

if we can't get the 4th spot for the worse,,this year could be a nightmare for lampard. his legacy as a legend for more than 10 years in this club would be forgotten by fans slowly. what a shame....

Only as a manager.

Won't affect his player status.

Always SFL for me. 

[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, blu35_army said:

if we can't get the 4th spot for the worse,,this year could be a nightmare for lampard. his legacy as a legend for more than 10 years in this club would be forgotten by fans slowly. what a shame....

Nope

[Vesper 28,683]

5 hours ago, communicate said:

Nope

I agree, he will still be a legend, just a shit manager

many great ex players in EVERY sport make shit coaches

has zero bearing on my opinion of him as a player

many of the greatest managers were shit players or never even really played

Mou for example

[Vesper 28,683]

10 hours ago, Jason said:

roflmaoooo

 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I know he's not been tactically astute for us as a manager, especially as he is relatively inexperienced. But please we shouldn't get to the point of insulting/doubting his legendary status in the club, because that is undisputed. 

Statements like he should go back to Mancity should not be happening. 

[lucio 5,418]

He chose to join Man City , it’s on him 

[Atomiswave 6,072]

Pull the plug Chels, we wont turn it around.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Vesper said:

I agree, he will still be a legend, just a shit manager

many great ex players in EVERY sport make shit coaches

has zero bearing on my opinion of him as a player

many of the greatest managers were shit players or never even really played

Mou for example

Lamp is Chelsea legend, his legacy as player won't ever be tarnished by his performance as manager in fact if he succeed, it will enhance his reputation. 

[Jase 43,479]

Nail. On Head.

 

[Muzchap 8,966]

4 hours ago, Vesper said:

I agree, he will still be a legend, just a shit manager

many great ex players in EVERY sport make shit coaches

has zero bearing on my opinion of him as a player

many of the greatest managers were shit players or never even really played

Mou for example

And Ferguson wasn't he an average player 🤔 

[Atomiswave 6,072]

Just because you were one of the best to grace the game does not mean you will become a WC manager. Look at Henry, Viera and countless others. Being a manager is totally different ball game.

[Vesper 28,683]

3 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

And Ferguson wasn't he an average player 🤔 

he was far better than Mou

Playing career

Ferguson's playing career began as an amateur with Queen's Park, where he made his debut as a striker, aged 16.^[20] He described his first match as a "nightmare",^[21] but scored Queen's Park's goal in a 2–1 defeat against Stranraer. Perhaps his most notable game for Queen's Park was the 7–1 defeat away to Queen of the South on Boxing Day 1959 when ex-England international Ivor Broadis scored four of the Queen of the South goals. Ferguson was the solitary Queen's Park goalscorer.^[22]

Despite scoring 20 goals in his 31 games for Queen's Park, he could not command a regular place in the side and moved to St Johnstone in 1960. Although he continued to score regularly at St Johnstone, he was still unable to command a regular place and regularly requested transfers. Ferguson was out of favour at the club and he even considered emigrating to Canada,^[23] however St Johnstone's failure to sign a forward led the manager to select Ferguson for a match against Rangers, in which he scored a hat-trick in a surprise victory. Dunfermline signed him the following summer (1964), and Ferguson became a full-time professional footballer.

The following season (1964–65), Dunfermline were strong challengers for the Scottish League and reached the Scottish Cup Final, but Ferguson was dropped for the final after a poor performance in a league game against St Johnstone. Dunfermline lost the final 3–2 to Celtic, then failed to win the League by one point. The 1965–66 season saw Ferguson notch up 45 goals in 51 games for Dunfermline. Along with Joe McBride of Celtic, he was the top goalscorer in the Scottish league with 31 goals.^[24]

He then joined Rangers for £65,000, then a record fee for a transfer between two Scottish clubs. He performed well in Europe during his two seasons with the club, scoring six goals in nine appearances in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup including two against 1.FC Köln in the 1967–68 competition, and an important strike against Athletic Bilbao in the 1968–69 edition which helped Rangers into the semi-finals,^[25] but on both occasions they were knocked out by English opposition. He was blamed for a goal conceded in the 1969 Scottish Cup Final,^[26] in a match in which he was designated to mark Celtic captain, Billy McNeill, and was subsequently forced to play for the club's junior side instead of for the first team.^[27] According to his brother, Ferguson was so upset by the experience that he threw his losers' medal away.^[28] There have been claims that he suffered discrimination at Rangers after his marriage to a Catholic, Cathy Holding,^[29] but Ferguson himself makes it clear in his autobiography^[30] that Rangers knew of his wife's religion when he joined the club and that he left the club very reluctantly, due to the fall-out from his alleged cup final mistake.

The following October, Nottingham Forest wanted to sign Ferguson,^[31] but his wife was not keen on moving to England at that time so he went to Falkirk instead. He remained at Brockville for four years gaining more league appearances than he had elsewhere; in light of his experience he was promoted to player-coach, but when John Prentice became manager he removed Ferguson's coaching responsibilities. Ferguson's time at Falkirk was soured by this and he responded by requesting a transfer and moved to Ayr United, where he finished his playing career in 1974.^[

[Blues Forever 1,232]

38 minutes ago, Muzchap said:

And Ferguson wasn't he an average player 🤔 

Yes, many of the greatest managers were mostly average players (Ferguson, Clough, Happel, Michels, Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola, Ancelotti, Capello, Hitzfeld, Trapattoni, Lobanovskiy, Hererra, Busby, Lattek, Guttmann, Rocco, Shankly, Stein, and Paisley)

[Blues Forever 1,232]

16 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Just because you were one of the best to grace the game does not mean you will become a WC manager. Look at Henry, Viera and countless others. Being a manager is totally different ball game.

Agree, only few managed to become a WC manager (Cruyff, Rijkaard, Zidane, and Beckenbauer).

[kellzfresh 7,229]

43 minutes ago, Jason said:

Nail. On Head.

 

Apart from the obvious Ziyech over reliance and Werner corrondum, the lack of a Lampard type of player in our midfield has come as a shocker to me, given Lampards experience and knowledge in how important goalscoring midfielders making late runs into the box are in a team.

Instead Kai Havertz who was supposed to play this role has been relegated to passing to James to put in crosses into the team.

Quote

Lampard, playing without a Lampard
Most assumed Kai Havertz was bought by Lampard to be the new Lampard at Chelsea: to make late runs into the box and bang in 20 goals a season. That hasn’t looked like happening and won’t until Chelsea are set up in a way which allows a central midfielder to attack the box from the centre of the field.

Chelsea’s method of attack is very odd. When Havertz is playing, he and Mason Mount act almost as auxiliary wingers alongside the supplementary wingers – the full-backs – who overlap the actual wingers. They then have a chasm of nothing between Giroud/Abraham and Kante in the middle of the pitch.

Overloading on the wings is a perfectly reasonable tactic, but it shouldn’t be the only tactic, particularly when there is so often just one target to hit with crosses from those wide areas.

Chelsea’s central midfielders have scored just two Premier League goals between them this season and only one of those has come from inside the box. For a team managed by the greatest midfield goalscorer the league has ever seen, that’s an astonishing tactical oversight.