Super Frank Thread

[MoroccanBlue 5,291]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

If we are going to sack Lampard, now might be the perfect to do it because if those 2 games get postponed, then whoever comes in will have 17 days (IIRC) to work with the players until our trip to Fulham. Otherwise, he won't have many days at all to work with the players. 

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

[lucio 5,418]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

Hire tuchel as interim at first , if he agrees to that 

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, MoroccanBlue said:

But who though? Who's available?

Do we go interim or take the risk on Tuchel, who I admit is a bit of a gamble but I reckon he could work wonders with this current team. 

Honestly, I have no freaking clue anymore. 

Tuchel looks suitable because of his style of play but am not convinced at all due to his character and his tactical decisions.

Allegri is fine by me, if only because he is tactically savvy and doesn't seem like a combustible character or close it, but don't think his style of play is suited to this team.

Would be okay with Pochettino because he does seem to tick all the boxes but he's going to PSG.

Otherwise, all the choices like Nagelsmann and Hasenhuttl are at a club right now and I don't think they will leave midway through the season.

Never mind the results, Lampard is really making it tough to feel even confident that he will turn things around given he doesn't seem to have a clue of how to utilize the players properly and he is making us play like an expensive version of Burnley.

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50 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

There is a difference because we played on saturday and then on monday. This is insane and this means zero time for real preparation.

And I also think Lampard needs the dressing room behind him. Slaughtering everyone like Mourinho does will only give a toxic environment to the team. Lampard knows that he can't afford to lose the dressing room. This was also a mixed team. AC, Toni, CHO, Giroud and Azpi are non starters for instance.

It was not the response we needed, but Lampard destroying the players in front of the media again against an in form Villa is not the way to go bro

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You can prepare in advance, I dont see why Zouma couldnt play, Kova the same. Yes he cant demoralise the team I agree, but he doesnt have to sugarcoat it either.

[Jase 43,479]

Speaking of Hasenhuttl...

 

[Superblue 6,370]

27 minutes ago, Jason said:

If we are going to sack Lampard, now might be the perfect to do it because if those 2 games get postponed, then whoever comes in will have 17 days (IIRC) to work with the players until our trip to Fulham. Otherwise, he won't have many days at all to work with the players. 

On the flip side, it could be Lampard's saving grace having a couple of weeks to properly work on the tactical aspect of this team. I think it is easy to just throw up that £200m was spent this summer and all the players should be able to perform and gel immediately. The lack of pre season this summer gone has probably hurt us more than most due to the high turnover of players. Not having that pre season, and then having little time to work tactically on the team due to playing pretty much solidly 3 times a week since the start of the season makes things far more difficult. 

Assuming the City and Morecambe games are off now, Lampard has the opportunity to not just turn this season around but start stamping a more long term blueprint on this side. If the results and performances don't pick up following that, then his position could be reaching untenable levels.

[MoroccanBlue 5,291]

7 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

On the flip side, it could be Lampard's saving grace having a couple of weeks to properly work on the tactical aspect of this team. I think it is easy to just throw up that £200m was spent this summer and all the players should be able to perform and gel immediately.

Seriously had it with this argument.

Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 

Chilwell is PL proven. 

Silva is experienced beyond years. 

Mendy is a GK

Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 

You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 

 

[Superblue 6,370]

1 minute ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Seriously had it with this argument.

Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 

Chilwell is PL proven. 

Silva is experienced beyond years. 

Mendy is a GK

Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 

You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 

 

It doesn't really matter where they are being brought from, everybody still has to get used to playing with one another.  Ziyech and Werner came and trained a bit but they were hardly going to be worked into tactical plans during that time when they weren't eligible to play. 

The point is it's far more difficult to get patterns of play worked on when we play a game, day after will be recovering, then one day to work on opposition tactics before the next game. 

Lampard may still not be capable of this even with an opportunity to do so. The games from Everton onwards have been a huge worry.

[killer1257 3,282]

Seriously had it with this argument.
Ziyech and Werner trained with the squad since late July. 
Chilwell is PL proven. 
Silva is experienced beyond years. 
Mendy is a GK
Havertz is the only exception however he's only played in his strongest position TWICE all season. 
You don't spend this much money on players without having a plan on how to utilise them all effectively. What we have seen so far is mismanagement of our most expensive assets. That screams inexperience. 
 

We have never lost with Ziyech and he and Billy/Bate are our only creative players currently. Even if we sack Lampard, we will lack creativity because our squad does not offer it. I would go as far saying that Thiago Silva is the second most creative player in the regular starting 11 after Ziyech.

There is a reason why Pep always buys world class creative talents or players. Because he wants to emulate prime Barcelona and their insane creativity

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[MoroccanBlue 5,291]

18 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

We have never lost with Ziyech and he and Billy/Bate are our only creative players currently. Even if we sack Lampard, we will lack creativity because our squad does not offer it. I would go as far saying that Thiago Silva is the second most creative player in the regular starting 11 after Ziyech.

There is a reason why Pep always buys world class creative talents or players. Because he wants to emulate prime Barcelona and their insane creativity

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So you're telling me we can't beat a depleted Wolves, Everton, Arsenal and Villa side without Ziyech? 

Honestly, I'm done. Keep justifying Lampard's position with utter dross like that as your reasoning. See how far that gets you. 

[Special Juan 27,419]

The thing is, when results don't go right people always look to who's not there and declare them a saviour, and use the 'what if' shit....

Ziyech is creative but in all honesty this team needs just more than him, much more. In fact before his injury he actually wasn't that good.

And how injury prone him and Pulisic are it's something people are going to have to get used too.

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, Superblue_1986 said:

On the flip side, it could be Lampard's saving grace having a couple of weeks to properly work on the tactical aspect of this team. I think it is easy to just throw up that £200m was spent this summer and all the players should be able to perform and gel immediately. The lack of pre season this summer gone has probably hurt us more than most due to the high turnover of players. Not having that pre season, and then having little time to work tactically on the team due to playing pretty much solidly 3 times a week since the start of the season makes things far more difficult. 

Assuming the City and Morecambe games are off now, Lampard has the opportunity to not just turn this season around but start stamping a more long term blueprint on this side. If the results and performances don't pick up following that, then his position could be reaching untenable levels.

Is it really a good thing when we get free weeks under Lampard? Because that is when he will just use the opportunity to overwork the players and random injuries will pop up and lethargic performances will follow. It's been a trend ever since he came in.

Lack of pre-season or not, that does not even explain Lampard's decision, for example, to overplay Werner, play him as a winger, when he did his best work at Leipzig as a second striker, to the point where he has looked jaded and his confidence looks shattered. That is not because we didn't have pre-season or even because of Lampard's inexperience. That is just a braindead tactical decision and bad player management. Moreover, Lampard knew we wouldn't have pre-season and the kind of the schedule we would have going into the summer and he still went out and bought the players that he did anyway. Is the lack of pre-season really an excuse then? We are into 18 months in Lampard's time at the club, not 18 weeks. That is why his first season was important because that should be where he set up the template of his system, embed it to the team etc and then you look at where we can improve, buy the players and fit them in. But so far, Lampard has made an absolute mess of it, even with the lack of pre-season. He was still changing systems at the start of the season before stumbling onto 4-3-3, then doesn't seem to have a clue on how to fit Werner and Havertz - his two biggest signings - in. Moreover, even if we get 3 weeks to work on things, will Lampard really move on from the playing style of us getting the ball wide and spamming crosses into the box? 🙄

At this point, we're just hoping Lampard will turn things around rather than actually have real confidence that he will do so.

[MoroccanBlue 5,291]

3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

The thing is, when results don't go right people always look to who's not there and declare them a saviour, and use the 'what if' shit....

Ziyech is creative but in all honesty this team needs just more than him, much more. In fact before his injury he actually wasn't that good.

And how injury prone him and Pulisic are it's something people are going to have to get used too.

The fact people are stating we apparently don't have a better squad than Villa (who was missing Mings, Barkley, and Trez), Wolves (Who was missing Jimenez and Moutinho) Everton ( who was missing both full backs, James, and Allan) and Arsenal (who were practically missing their entire starting XI) when Ziyech isn't in the team, has me for a lost for words. 

 

[Special Juan 27,419]

I'm in a few what's app groups with a lot of die hard CFC fans and the sheer ignorance and delusional bullshit that is spoken is actually alarming.

Apparently with COVID we can't take this season seriously, but isn't it funny they were all taken it serious when we were on the unbeaten run. They will not hear one jot of criticism of FL and actually look passed the sheer ignorance and deficiancies he has in the team and the lack of nouse to fix it. It's like we are the only team without fans, and the biggest thing of all they all keep saying is that it will take the big signings time to settle....well of course it will if they are played out of position or dropped fully.

 

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We cant use excuses left and right, some may be valid but most aint, not anymore they aint.

[MoroccanBlue 5,291]

3 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

I'm in a few what's app groups with a lot of die hard CFC fans and the sheer ignorance and delusional bullshit that is spoken is actually alarming.

Apparently with COVID we can't take this season seriously, but isn't it funny they were all taken it serious when we were on the unbeaten run. They will not hear one jot of criticism of FL and actually look passed the sheer ignorance and deficiancies he has in the team and the lack of nouse to fix it. It's like we are the only team without fans, and the biggest thing of all they all keep saying is that it will take the big signings time to settle....well of course it will if they are played out of position or dropped fully.

 

Rory Jennings will defend Lampard even if he burned his house down. 

Blaming Werner and Havertz for failing to adapt to the league, yet says nothing how the former is constantly played out of position and the latter hardly playing in his strongest position. 

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So finally we have manager that isnt hunted in the media for bad results, pity he looks to be out of his depth.

[Special Juan 27,419]

2 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Rory Jennings will defend Lampard even if he burned his house down. 

Blaming Werner and Havertz for failing to adapt to the league, yet says nothing how the former is constantly played out of position and the latter hardly playing in his strongest position. 

Rory Jennings ha ha, absolute Chelsea FC hanger on if there ever was one.