Super Frank Thread

[Tomo 21,751]

3 minutes ago, Blue Armour said:

@Tomo 

I know you have pointed out how good our style of play was under Frank in the early part of last season, with the 4-3-3 and Kovacic/Jorginho in midfield

In hindsight, I do wonder if that was a by-product of 1 year of play under Sarri, or something that Frank wanted, and introduced.

I'd like to think its the latter, as it seemed like a breath of fresh air compared to the majority of our games under Sarri, were we seemed to have dollops of possession with no-real end product.

I guess Frank did over complicate things since the season re-start, but our play these days doesn't seem to resemble any of the high press, high octane football from early last season.

Hope its just development phase, where he is trying to reintroduce those tactics to a rebuilt first 11

I don't think it can be solely explained as a by-product of Sarri (although no doubt there was a sweet spot where his positional play and Frank's expressive freedom hit a sweet spot) as we had performances in the two months leading to lock down that were excellent (Burnley, Arsenal despite the draw, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton, could argue patches of the Leicester and United games too).

I'm not sure what has happened since then, I can't work out if Frank is overcomplicating things or the new signings (Werner, Chilwell and Kai were as good as done when we restarted the season in June) have made him feel more pressure and become more results at all costs based.

The performances vs WBA and today after we reverted to 433 two 8's should be enough evidence to mean we persist with this formation now, it's no coincidence we've played well every time we've used that formation. 

[blues.bridge 343]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Per favore, per favore, per favore lascia che questo sia un test di realtà per lui. 

BASTONO CON QUELLO CHE FUNZIONA. 433 con il calcio a transizione rapida. Solo dopo aver bloccato con il suo continuo tagliare e cambiare siamo sembrati individualisti. 

Werner

Pulisic ------------- Ziyech

Monte --- Havertz

Kante

Chilwell --- Zouma --- Silva ---- James

Mendy 

gilmour instead of kante will be great

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

On 19.10.2020 at 5:06 AM, Magic Lamps said:

Exactly. we allowed even less shots on average last season and had one of the best shots on target and xG statistic in the league last season still conceded a ton of goals. That’s the whole point. we concede a lot of goals despite conceding fewer shots than most teams. Gk makes a huge difference 

we are yet to concede a goal when both Mendy and Chilwell are playing. Albeit in just 155 mins. If we are still shipping 2-3  goals per game when those two are consistently starting, I am not gonna defend Lampard anymore but until then there is the benefit of the doubt 

Stll not conceded a goal with Mendy and Chilwell on the pitch. We will never be perfect at the back but no team is. City, pool, Bayern all concede tons of chances and still are bailed out by their goalies. we are still not super solid but we make the chances we concede difficult enough for mendy to have a chance to save the shots which he has done excellently so far. This alone I would consider an improvement. Today was not a perfect match but I dont think we ever were not in control of the game given the quality of chances we conceded and the amount of chances we created. So there is progress even if it is just baby steps.

[Fernando 6,585]

As more time passes I'm under the certainty that if we get rice we will be close to complete. 

We got good offense, and improved the defense with mendy and chilwell. 

But our midfield is killing us. 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

3 hours ago, Fernando said:

As more time passes I'm under the certainty that if we get rice we will be close to complete. 

We got good offense, and improved the defense with mendy and chilwell. 

But our midfield is killing us. 

It's clear the midfield is the problem. Look at how different we looked immediately he made Kante the lone Defensive Midfielder, Mount in his best position as a central midfielder, Kai as an attacking eight. Rice would have been playing the lone DM if he was signed. 

All the players who we said were not playing well started playing better immediately we switched to 4-3-3. Happy to see 

[Tomo 21,751]

2 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

It's clear the midfield is the problem. Look at how different we looked immediately he made Kante the lone Defensive Midfielder, Mount in his best position as a central midfielder, Kai as an attacking eight. Rice would have been playing the lone DM if he was signed. 

All the players who we said were not playing well started playing better immediately we switched to 4-3-3. Happy to see 

I'm no fan of Kante as a sitting DM but i'll suck it up in the short term if that's what it takes to make 433 two 8's our main formation. I wonder if we have an Ake esque recall clause on Gallagher... 

[Puliiszola 519]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

I'm no fan of Kante as a sitting DM but i'll suck it up in the short term if that's what it takes to make 433 two 8's our main formation. I wonder if we have an Ake esque recall clause on Gallagher... 

I hope not, he is playing well. Letting him get some minutes.  Kova and Ziyech are decent back ups to the no.8 positions.

[milka 3,390]

 

[killer1257 3,282]

 

But TC thinks that Lampard's tactics were horrible and showed how bad of a coach he is, while apparently Nagelsmann is a world class coach and gets completely outmastered by Ole, who apparently is also according to TC a horrible coach like Lampard [emoji23]. Typical TC drama queens.

United beat PSG, got a draw against us and smashed Leipzig, who have a world class coach in Nagelsmann (TC opinion). They are not as bad as TC make them to be.

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[Laylabelle 9,534]

On 27/10/2020 at 5:22 PM, Jason said:

I know we haven't won at Old Trafford in a while but I didn't realize our recent record has been that bad, especially when compared to some of the other sides. So many of the United teams post-Fergie have been terrible and we haven't beaten them there once! 

No I didn't until was said in the commentary! Had to check.

Definitely not a favoured side for us..last league win was 2017...and since then played them 10 times with league games and Cup games..and won twice...

[Fernando 6,585]

25 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

But TC thinks that Lampard's tactics were horrible and showed how bad of a coach he is, while apparently Nagelsmann is a world class coach and gets completely outmastered by Ole, who apparently is also according to TC a horrible coach like Lampard . Typical TC drama queens.

United beat PSG, got a draw against us and smashed Leipzig, who have a world class coach in Nagelsmann (TC opinion). They are not as bad as TC make them to be.

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I still would take Nagelsmann in the future, but right now Lampard is doing fine, especially the good job he is doing in building a squad. 

Remember that before Mourinho came there was some good work being done in team building by Raniere. 

Lampard is doing the same with Cech and company in building a good team that even if he leaves whoever takes over will have a good squad. 

[Supermonkey92 1,428]

I'm no fan of Kante as a sitting DM but i'll suck it up in the short term if that's what it takes to make 433 two 8's our main formation. I wonder if we have an Ake esque recall clause on Gallagher... 

Kante is the odd man out - he doesn't fit the squad. But a dm in a 433 is probably the best fit.

Kai hasn't got the x factor to play a 10, playing as an 8 rcm fits him like a glove. He'll have options left, right and forward. Plus with the three forwards ahead of him he'll get more chances for late runs

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[Supermonkey92 1,428]

But TC thinks that Lampard's tactics were horrible and showed how bad of a coach he is, while apparently Nagelsmann is a world class coach and gets completely outmastered by Ole, who apparently is also according to TC a horrible coach like Lampard [emoji23]. Typical TC drama queens.

United beat PSG, got a draw against us and smashed Leipzig, who have a world class coach in Nagelsmann (TC opinion). They are not as bad as TC make them to be.

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Ole is a shit coach lol. You think the result reflects him as a manager as opposed to the difference in quality?

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[killer1257 3,282]

 

 

 

Ole is a shit coach lol. You think the result reflects him as a manager as opposed to the difference in quality?

 

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So what does it say about Nagelsmann as a manager when he gets outmastered by Ole? Nagelsmann said after the match that he did not expect some things Ole did tactic wise and when you look at the high line of Leipzig, it looked pretty clueless to me. Rashford was a complete bulldozer yesterday with their high line not working. He could have chosen a more pragmatic and more intelligent tactic instead, but he chose to go full nuts and lost 5:0.

If Nagelsmann is really that good, he should not have lost 5:0 against Ole, who in Nagelsmanns own words did tactics he did not expect from him and that threw Leipzig off.

 

 

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[NikkiCFC 8,285]

Weird they did not see each other.