Sarri But Not Sarri Thread

[ulsterchelsea 3,213]

The problems at the club are from top to bottom. Board are tubes, no football people to speak of in positions of power, too many so so players, too much player power, very dodgy unproven manager, no leaders, no balls. If we can sort that out we'll probably be ok

[the wes 7,212]

 

[Clockwork 1,764]

41 minutes ago, Henrique said:

That Chelsea Reddit page is full of people with the same old common sense form yesterday. The word there is: the club needs stability and think long term. Abramovich bought Chelsea 15 years ago, and no other club in England won more trophies than Chelsea. Liverpool won just 3 trophies during this period: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup...but some people are pretty convinced they are doing a better job than Chelsea. City is spending money for fun, but right now their better result in Europe was not getting embarrassed by Real Madri in a UCL semi-final. 

City "long-term" project is spending big cash on players for fun and hiring the best manager in the world available (cheating the financial fair play in the process)...but people act like City superb squad is the product of a long term project from people who know how to run a club. City current squad is no more than the product from unlimited transfer budget. 

City hired a bunch of ex Barca executives well before they hired Pep, they laid the foundation to play this type of football well before the manager was hired. There was a bit of planning, support, and football intelligence on their part. 

City spending power is undoubtedly a huge factor too.

There is no question of the achievement of Abramovich since he purchased the club, but simply the current Roman is not the same man. First of all the excitement and interest in the club is no longer the same, he is having trouble entering the country and that fire has faded. 

Secondly his money is not the same and has been surpassed by bigger spenders, his spending power is not the same. Back than for 32m he could buy arguably one of the biggest players in the world, nowadays you get players like Zappacosta with that type of money. 

 

If things stand we will miss out of the CL for 3rd time in 4 years, that is mediocrity and a huge fall from Roman early days. There are issues at the top, there should be no convincing needed to see that. 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

11 hours ago, Pizy said:

What I think may happen is that Sarri will definitely stay until this time next season at least. We will sell off most, if not all of these players that have been here long term. Hazard, Willian, Pedro, Luiz. All will be gone.

I think we will go the Dortmund route and bring in young players with potential (like Pulisic) and combine that with finally using our youth players. 

 

12 hours ago, Sarrismo said:

Hi.

I'm a Napoli supporter so you can trust me, I'm not biased: Sarri, as a manager, is WAY better than an Ancelotti.

 

I've read a lot about Plan A, Plan B...
This is not the problem.
The problem is that you never had a chance to ACTUALLY see Plan A, the Sarriball.

 

Here in Naples Sarri had a team of a much lower level than this Chelsea.

But they were a team. They were humble, ready to play for the team, for the manager, ready to pursue a collective idea.

 

Here at Chelsea instead the player are technically much more gifted, BUT they are assholes.

Egoists, individualistic, lazy, basically they're a bunch of player puts together, not really a team.

 

 

And if you want Sarriball you need a team.

Trust me: support Sarri.

If the players one day will choose to play as a team, you'll be the luckiest supporter of the world, as we were until 9 months ago.

I hope aso nd agree with you both.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, Henrique said:

That Chelsea Reddit page is full of people with the same old common sense form yesterday. The word there is: the club needs stability and think long term. Abramovich bought Chelsea 15 years ago, and no other club in England won more trophies than Chelsea. Liverpool won just 3 trophies during this period: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup and 1 League Cup...but some people are pretty convinced they are doing a better job than Chelsea. City is spending money for fun, but right now their better result in Europe was not getting embarrassed by Real Madri in a UCL semi-final. 

City "long-term" project is spending big cash on players for fun and hiring the best manager in the world available (cheating the financial fair play in the process)...but people act like City superb squad is the product of a long term project from people who know how to run a club. City current squad is no more than the product from unlimited transfer budget. 

All big team has superb squad by spending. The important thing for having a good long term plan is to allow you to build team that is suited to your way while minimizing bad tranfer. In our case drinkwater and bakayoko. We just signed them last year but 70 m. Now both of them are not part of the team simply because he is not suited to Sarri football. 

That is what having good long term plan help you. Of course all of this can be solved if you have unlimited amount of money and you can keep fixing your mistake by spending. 

[communicate 2,703]

7 hours ago, Henrique said:

Thats completely false. Guardiola turned Chelsea down because he had a better offer. City was offering more money, and was willing to give him more power. Simple as that. Chelsea always hired managers that are considered "top", even if the club is well known to sack managers before the end of contract. Managers are professionals and they are interested in getting as much cash as possible, or are you telling me that Scolari, Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte and now Sarri were not considered top managers when they were appointed? 

So guardiola rejected us simply because of money. Guardiola is one of the sought after manager in the world, he is not dumb. He will not pick just any team, he will pick team that can play his football and win games. He also knew that city has txi that will support him. Wrong pick and he is probably known to be a failure in England. 

 

[Henrique 9,133]

34 minutes ago, communicate said:

All big team has superb squad by spending. The important thing for having a good long term plan is to allow you to build team that is suited to your way while minimizing bad tranfer. In our case drinkwater and bakayoko. We just signed them last year but 70 m. Now both of them are not part of the team simply because he is not suited to Sarri football. 

That is what having good long term plan help you. Of course all of this can be solved if you have unlimited amount of money and you can keep fixing your mistake by spending. 

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

First things first, Alonso and Barkley have zero quality to be anywhere near first 11.

Both are good enough only for cup games and bottom of the PL. 

Thats where we should start in summer. 

There is no excuse that Alonso got his extension. He can rot on the bench for few years, but the board shouldnt be that stupid to not buy new LB just because of Alonso contract. Its obvious any good club would replace him as soon as possible. If he remains our LB next season, we are definately done as elite club. 

Then you have to deal with CB (Luiz), (DM) Jorginho, (RW)Pedro/Willian, (ST)Higuain, maybe (LW) Hazard if he leaves,...

Oh what fun.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

We have about 1/3rd less cash each summer compared to City, so yeah they can beat us there any day. BUT if we had smart board, we have enough cash to make great side. 

However we get rid of quality talent all the time and buy overrated shit. We dont have a DoF that would make some sort of plan for at least 2 summer windows and solve our key issues systematically.

We also splash cash on overrated or unproven and overpriced players. 

40m on Drinkwater? 60m on Pulisic?,...

We are somehow ready to splash 70m on Morata and 70m on Kepa, but at the same time we are not ready to pay bit more for quality unless its direct replacement for someone leaving. 

Our expensive additions came in Kepa who replaced Tibo, Morata who replaced Costa and Jorginho who replaced Bakayoko who replaced Matic. Pulisic I have feeling will be Hazard replacement if he leaves.

I have to wonder what did board expect in summer when they appointed Sarri. Sure he got Jorginho, but we also saw Kante shifted in different role, Azpi in entirely different system (both very consistent previous seasons), fullbacks who are realy bad for Sarri football, Morata who was just shit. Same goes for our players on RW. Then cherry on top, our midfield who should be extremely solid with all those players, turns to be our weak point after few months. No defensive stability, no creativity etc. 

In other words, if this club wants Sarri to succeed, either they have to spend like crazy or spend realy realy realy smart. I dont think we have capacity to do either. 

[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, Henrique said:

Mate, City is full of expensive flops in recent years, Mangala and Bony to name a few. The thing os, they buy so many players in the transfer window that eventually some of them are good enough.

The Idea that City is this processional club, while Chelsea is a bunch of amateurs just doesnt make much sense.

City just have bigger money at the moment, and thats the only difference.

I agree, I don't want to use this city as example because it is a dangerous example. They can make bad signing and solve it in the next transfer window with ease. Similar to people who keep talking about how great our team in Mou and Ancelotti era. That team was like this city team. 

But back to our team. I support Sarri but if he is sacked so be it. But have a long term plan, if you want to play possession pressures football, don't veer off. People forget we hire AVB to change our football. We signed player to play this way. Hazard, kdb, mata. Technical player everywhere. It was a failure because change take time but more importantly AVB is just not good enough. But then we hire Mou and Conte. Back to counter attacking football and now back to possession football under Sarri. This kind of chop and change policy is too expensive in the long run. 

 

[communicate 2,703]

20 minutes ago, BlueLyon said:

 

I have to wonder what did board expect in summer when they appointed Sarri. Sure he got Jorginho, but we also saw Kante shifted in different role, Azpi in entirely different system (both very consistent previous seasons), fullbacks who are realy bad for Sarri football, Morata who was just shit. Same goes for our players on RW. Then cherry on top, our midfield who should be extremely solid with all those players, turns to be our weak point after few months. No defensive stability, no creativity etc. 

 

I know. Three of the most exciting teams last season were city, pool and spurs. The board want us to play that style. I don't know whether Sarri is the right man but does the board has the patient and money to support this change and does the fans be willing to accept a very up and down season.Because unless we can just spend 200 m in one summer it will be a long and painful journey. 

One example is changing our defending approach from defending deep (which is what we are known for years now, and very proud of) to defending by pressing. We simply cannot do it consistently because our team is just suck at pressing. But so far our defensive record was decent before this poor run of form because of our ability to retain possession. But it was masking our defensive deficiency. 

 

[mccg 1,528]

Maurizio Sarri and Chelsea players look glum as Blues squad holds crisis meeting after Man City thumping

https://www.caughtoffside.com/2019/02/12/chelsea-clear-the-air-talks-maurizio-sarri-glum-at-training/

[Romans disciples 26]

l think crisis is an exaggeration.  The Brit media had always been disreputable towards us .

A bad result but we move on . We can always hold our heads high as we are Chelsea and destiny is with us .

[OneMoSalah 8,614]

34 minutes ago, Romans disciples said:

l think crisis is an exaggeration.  The Brit media had always been disreputable towards us .

A bad result but we move on . We can always hold our heads high as we are Chelsea and destiny is with us .

Id say crisis is about right. More problems than just Sarri though. From top t.bottom there is problems. Board, lack of vision and poor recruitment. Manager, failing to motivate players. Players struggling to get to grips with the managers instructions or perform at times. Lack of youth being integrated over the last 10 years.

[Vesper 27,310]

Chelsea troubles run far deeper than Maurizio Sarri - he can't take all the blame

Ageing squad and disinterested owner point to bigger problems

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea/chelsea-troubles-run-far-deeper-than-maurizio-sarri-he-cant-take-all-the-blame-a4064131.html

 

[DDA 9,570]

The inevitable reports coming out that Sarri has lost the dressing room. 

Our squad is an embarrassment. I have never felt as ashamed of our team of players than I do now.