Antonio Rudiger

[Blue Armour 4,436]

On 10/09/2021 at 16:41, Vesper said:

He is literally at the the hardest age to decide what to do with him.

He turns 30 in late winter next season, so IF we give him £200K PW for 4 years, you are look at him turning 30, 31, 32, and 33 midseason in those 4 years. Obviously at the end of the 4 years, he value will be very low, as the team that would sign him is buying a soon to be (that same season) 34yo CB.

Also, just how good (and importantly, healthy) during the those last 2 years of the 4 (IF we do re-sign him) when he he turns 32, and then 33 in mid-season us he going to be for US? Us the Rudiger of 3, 4 years from now going to be the same Rudiger as he has been the past year? If he does go down in quality, is it really worth paying almost £21m (£20.8m would be the cost his last 2 years) in salary for a rotational squad player, who will have very little value come the end?

I would be happy with a THREE year extension, at say £192.4K PW (so he can look at it as basically 10 million quid per year on the nose, £4,800 per year over 10m), then let him walk on a free at 32 year of age, as surely a Serie A club will still pay him a decent salary for 2 or even 3 years. I do not think shelling out another £10m for a 32/33 yo Rudiger is worth the extra year.

Whatever the case, it would be daft to let him walk on a free.

There's a reason why Rudiger is an almost constant member of our back line. You see all the other 4 position being rotated frequently by Tuchel, but Toni is always there.

There maybe better defenders out there, but his character is what makes him unique. Also, he's got bags of pace. 

According to the latest reports, he's still stalling over an offer. Club's offering 125k pw. Shameful if true, considering how much the non-starters are earning.

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[Vegetable 830]

Feel like he should pay compensation of those 200 k multiplied to Tuchel if he leaves for making him the player he is. Let's not forget most of us wanted him gone not so long ago.

Anyway his mentality had always been rather explosive and controversial, so no surprise with this shithousery.

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

As good as he has been these past several months, objectively, he's a defender that is largely supported by the system. All of them are bar Thiago Silva. 

If he were to leave, I say go all out for Bastoni next summer. 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

I dont care if its the system or otherwise, he is still under TT a WC defender, he can walk in any team. If the club has really offered him 120K a week then thats a bad move by us.

He could at least double that at UTD PSG CITY etc.

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

40 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I dont care if its the system or otherwise, he is still under TT a WC defender, he can walk in any team. If the club has really offered him 120K a week then thats a bad move by us.

He could at least double that at UTD PSG CITY etc.

Not saying he doesn't deserve a pay raise, just that the club have realised the situation objectively. Us as fans should as well. David Luiz looked like bloody Beckenbauer at times under Conte in 2017. The system is suiting the player vs the player suiting the system. 

You stick VVD or Ruben Dias in place of Rudiger, we'd still be a rock. Can't say the same if Rudiger replaces VVD at Liverpool or Dias at City. 

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14 hours ago, MoroccanBlue said:

Not saying he doesn't deserve a pay raise, just that the club have realised the situation objectively. Us as fans should as well. David Luiz looked like bloody Beckenbauer at times under Conte in 2017. The system is suiting the player vs the player suiting the system. 

You stick VVD or Ruben Dias in place of Rudiger, we'd still be a rock. Can't say the same if Rudiger replaces VVD at Liverpool or Dias at City. 

Why couldnt he though? As long as the manager is competent and motivational I dont see why Rudi couldnt. And what Rudi has shown under TT is imo far far better than what DL did under Conte. Nah Dias is nowhere near as pacy as Rudi, TT wouldnt put Dias there. Yes we cant just give in I agree but name me 1 defender better than Rudi atm? If he wants 200 then give it to him, he more than deserves it......have you seen how much Odoi makes?

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Great today, Strikers finish for his goal!

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On 16/09/2021 at 23:16, MoroccanBlue said:

As good as he has been these past several months, objectively, he's a defender that is largely supported by the system. All of them are bar Thiago Silva. 

If he were to leave, I say go all out for Bastoni next summer. 

As much as I love Bastoni's game, I'd go for a monster type defender since we would be lacking some power and muscle with Rudi gone. 

[Pizy 18,877]

Rüdiger seems like one of the guys that’s key to the teams spirit and tenacity. Unless his agent is asking for something silly like 250k+ per week I don’t understand what’s taking so long for us to tie him down.

[DH1988 1,348]

I'm more concerned about Tuchel, PSG lost players (Silva) against his wishes and that started a slippery slope. In the end, it needs to be realistic and objective, but ultimately, we are paying nobodies £100k+ a week to do nothing but sit in the reserves or u23's games.

 

Keep TT happy, at all costs.

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

4 hours ago, DH1988 said:

I'm more concerned about Tuchel, PSG lost players (Silva) against his wishes and that started a slippery slope. In the end, it needs to be realistic and objective, but ultimately, we are paying nobodies £100k+ a week to do nothing but sit in the reserves or u23's games.

 

Keep TT happy, at all costs.

That's a good point. Seems Tuchel has formed a strong bond with Rudiger out of everyone. 

I hope both the player and the club meet half way somewhere. 

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

5 hours ago, Pizy said:

Rüdiger seems like one of the guys that’s key to the teams spirit and tenacity. Unless his agent is asking for something silly like 250k+ per week I don’t understand what’s taking so long for us to tie him down.

His agent is asking for something silly like 250kpw that is exactly the problem.

 

[MoroccanBlue 5,378]

13 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

His agent is asking for something silly like 250kpw that is exactly the problem.

 

Need to hope they find middle ground soon.