Massacre In Paris

[Last Sicarius 610]

If someone didnt see:

Moment when shooting started

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=383_1447558030

Also on this site you can find photo done after shooting but its not for young people.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

Best Article on the Paris Attack

People "care more" about Paris because it hit a lot closer to home then the other incidents you mentioned.

Also Paris isn't a warzone nor does it have a history of these type of events. People simply weren't expecting this kind violence so close to their doorstep.

No one in West-Europe expects to get gunned down while having a drink with some friends in a cafe or going to a concert and getting executed 1 by 1 or getting blown up while going to a football match.

A lot of people are simply in shock and feel the need to do something even if it's just changing their facebook image background to a french flag.

I mean my mom walked in the morning after the paris killings and asked me " you heared what happened in Paris? " I said "yeah, it's crazy" She then said with a terrified look on her face " That happened only 3 hours from here " She kept looking at me for a few seconds and walked out of the room.

People are shocked because they realize if it could happen in Paris it could happen everywhere.

[Muzchap 8,966]

What is SAS?

They are the crack team of UK fighters - they differ from the US Delta Force as they are sworn to secrecy and don't reveal they are SAS. They train for years and the recruitment process is tough. They were formed in the Second World War and made a huge difference.

They very rarely go for a Big Bang - they try to operate as if they were never there - and try to keep casualties to a bare minimum.

There's some good novels by ex SAS veterans - Andy McNab and Chris Ryan

[manpe 10,861]

They are the crack team of UK fighters - they differ from the US Delta Force as they are sworn to secrecy and don't reveal they are SAS. They train for years and the recruitment process is tough. They were formed in the Second World War and made a huge difference.

They very rarely go for a Big Bang - they try to operate as if they were never there - and try to keep casualties to a bare minimum.

There's some good novels by ex SAS veterans - Andy McNab and Chris Ryan

Strange that they would be patrolling streets of N.Ireland.

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

I think that the next Photo sums up the whole problem:

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-8/12238430_1078731138812925_4380062293678386790_o.jpg

Left Side - A person participate in battles in the middle east. (Not a Nice Picture).

Right Side- The same Person Already In europe.

NSFW IMAGE - GRAPHIC VIOLENCE

Edited November 15, 2015 by Spike
Needed a bigger warning!

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Absolutely everyone suddenly an expert on how to defeat ISIS

Absolutely everyone is suddenly an expert on how to defeat ISIS, according to reports today.

The Islamic State – who really hate being called the Da’esh so you should probably start doing that – have proven an intractable foe for several years, but all of a sudden everyone on the Internet has a solution which has eluded the world’s finest minds to date.

Popular suggestions include bombing the organisation back to the Stone Age, which unfortunately skips the fact much of the Da’esh is already there and actually quite like it.

Similarly popular is to reject unilateral action and insist on a coordinated international response through the UN, which has the advantage of ensuring the moral high ground, tempered only by the disadvantage of there being no chance whatsoever of it actually happening.

Meanwhile many American commenters insist the only way to avoid terrorist atrocities and mass shootings is to ensure everyone is armed, a strategy that has been working out tremendously well for them at home lately.

“I reject the idea of a complex, messy solution which risks me getting it wrong,” Internet general Simon Williams told us.

“I’d like to see members of the Da’esh arrested and tried but obviously I don’t want to see British troops deployed.”

“The fact that the government has failed to accommodate my contradictory wishes means I win the Internet and they don’t deserve to be in power.”

“So there,” he added, smugly.

One common suggestion is that the world could prevent the deaths of innocents by closing their borders to refugees, a great idea which is only slightly undermined by the fact it would condemn untold numbers of innocents to death.

Any suggestion that defeating the Da’esh will be time-consuming, very expensive, involve grubby compromises and certainly feature people we like dying has been rejected as completely unacceptable

[CHOULO19 24,332]

@Barbara, I'll answer tomorrow if I find the time, dear. Sorry.

People "care more" about Paris because it hit a lot closer to home then the other incidents you mentioned.

Also Paris isn't a warzone nor does it have a history of these type of events. People simply weren't expecting this kind violence so close to their doorstep.

No one in West-Europe expects to get gunned down while having a drink with some friends in a cafe or going to a concert and getting executed 1 by 1 or getting blown up while going to a football match.

A lot of people are simply in shock and feel the need to do something even if it's just changing their facebook image background to a french flag.

I mean my mom walked in the morning after the paris killings and asked me " you heared what happened in Paris? " I said "yeah, it's crazy" She then said with a terrified look on her face " That happened only 3 hours from here " She kept looking at me for a few seconds and walked out of the room.

People are shocked because they realize if it could happen in Paris it could happen everywhere.

I'm sorry, but it's not exactly debatable that human lives are not equal in the view of the world. Literally almost any knowledge of history proves this. For the most part, there are the people of the countries that own the world and then there the unpeople of the rest of the world. That's a fact. I don't say this in self pity, trust me, I hate to admit it just as much as you do.

It's not about geographical closeness. If the attack had taken place in Australia, would you have placed a Lebanese flag on your profile for the attacks in Beirut and barely mentioned the ones in Australia? Of course not. Heck, same to a degree would apply if it had happened in say Japan. Lebanon is not a war zone either and the civilians who died were just going about their daily lives feeling as secure as those in Paris were. And while the majority of French people didn't even hear about the attacks in Beirut, half my Facebook friends from Lebanon added the French flag as their profile picture 24 hours later.

The fact is accepted either implicitly or explicitly by everyone on earth. You are of the privileged valued people who own the world. Embrace it.

PS: Don't even get me started on how the media handled each attack.

[Billy. 2,742]

The reason the media in the UK are focusing on this so much is because it has happened so close to home, and we do not expect things like this to happen.

Cameron needs to close our borders ASAP. Needs to stop fucking about and worrying about what others may think and needs to start thinking about the safety of the UK. Otherwise I fear we will Suffer an attack like France has.

RIP to all that have lost their lives.

[Clockwork 1,794]

The reason the media in the UK are focusing on this so much is because it has happened so close to home, and we do not expect things like this to happen.

Cameron needs to close our borders ASAP. Needs to stop fucking about and worrying about what others may think and needs to start thinking about the safety of the UK. Otherwise I fear we will Suffer an attack like France has.

RIP to all that have lost their lives.

From what i have read so far, is that a partial of the Paris attackers were French and Belgium citizens. It is believed the Syrian passports were fake.

[jmarlow 458]

France Drops 20 Bombs On IS Stronghold Raqqa

http://news.sky.com/story/1588256/france-drops-20-bombs-on-is-stronghold-raqqa

[CHOULO19 24,332]

The reason the media in the UK are focusing on this so much is because it has happened so close to home, and we do not expect things like this to happen.

Again, if the attack had taken place in Australia would the media focus have been Beirut? How about if it were in Japan? No need to answer me, just think about it.

Cameron needs to close our borders ASAP. Needs to stop fucking about and worrying about what others may think and needs to start thinking about the safety of the UK. Otherwise I fear we will Suffer an attack like France has.

Your response to witnessing the very same horror that these refugees are running from is to send them back to where they have to face that horror on a daily basis? And yet you still can't see how you only see Europeans as humans and everyone else a couple of places below?!

[Billy. 2,742]

Again, if the attack had taken place in Australia would the media focus have been Beirut? How about if it were in Japan? No need to answer me, just think about it.

Your response to witnessing the very same horror that these refugees are running from is to send them back to where they have to face that horror on a daily basis? And yet you still can't see how you only see Europeans as humans and everyone else a couple of places below?!

But the news over hear did cover the bombings in beirut, yeah not as much a paris but still covered over hear. I understand where you are coming from but i dont control the media do i?

how do we know who we are letting in??? 20% of then could be Isis for all we know. im not saying send them back at all. But as of now we are on high alert for attack and letting 100 of thousands in that could contain some of those scumbags is not worth the risk.

And no i do not class Europeans above everyone else. I have family from SA, and Australia. If i had my way along with millions of other im sure we could all just get along in peace.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Again, if the attack had taken place in Australia would the media focus have been Beirut? How about if it were in Japan? No need to answer me, just think about it.

Your response to witnessing the very same horror that these refugees are running from is to send them back to where they have to face that horror on a daily basis? And yet you still can't see how you only see Europeans as humans and everyone else a couple of places below?!

Unfortunately a lot of Westeners don't give a rats ass about bombings in a place they perceive as 'terrorist' (read Muslim) territory. People are afraid and misinformed.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Nearly 100 Syrian rebelgroups have expressed their horror and disbelief for the attacks. They say the attacks broke Islamic law and are an insult to human values.

Inhabitants of Duma (east of Damascus) have written an open letter to France offering their support.

Militants of Idlib changed their facebook picture to the French flag.

This is being reported in a Belgian newspaper and it is what the people need to read.

[Starman60 1,343]

This may sound a stupid question but what the hell did they hope to achieve by killing innocent people? For all they knew they could, and maybe did kill Muslims as well as Christians and other nationalities from around the world. To me this is just like poking a lion in the ribs, because they will surely pay for this actrocity. France, America and England will retaliate and very soon.They will have turned the world against themselves. Already France has retaliated and this is only the start. And now the innocent refugees trying to get away from these murdering scum will all be looked at as potential terrorists. Lets just pray that they never get their hands on atomic weapons because that would mean the end of us all.

They (ISIS) need to be eradicated........and quickly.

[Muzchap 8,966]

Strange that they would be patrolling streets of N.Ireland.

They didn't 'patrol' as such - they were overseeing regular army deployments and engaged on side missions to mainly infiltrate and collect Intel. They really don't like people to see their faces

[Muzchap 8,966]

This may sound a stupid question but what the hell did they hope to achieve by killing innocent people? For all they knew they could, and maybe did kill Muslims as well as Christians and other nationalities from around the world. To me this is just like poking a lion in the ribs, because they will surely pay for this actrocity. France, America and England will retaliate and very soon.They will have turned the world against themselves. Already France has retaliated and this is only the start. And now the innocent refugees trying to get away from these murdering scum will all be looked at as potential terrorists. Lets just pray that they never get their hands on atomic weapons because that would mean the end of us all.

They (ISIS) need to be eradicated........and quickly.

They achieve fear, fear leads to anger and knee jerk reactions - with people wrongly blaming innocent followers of a faith that has been incorrectly portrayed in the media. This leads to stupid acts against the 'terrorists' which in turn kills more innocent people. This then gives credence to the bullshit spouted by the extremists and maybe radicalises a few more people, hell bent on revenge.

It's a cycle that has been repeated over and over again during humanity ad infinteum.

There's too much ignorance on both sides and only education can fix this - bombing for peace is an oxymoron.

The 'terrorists' know that each action they take will convert more followers - rightly or wrongly, that is their only recruitment tactic available.

France dropping 20 bombs will do nothing other than play into their hands as more innocent people are caught up in the situation

Truly a shocking weekend.

[Fulham Broadway 16,853]

I think the killings in Paris were not reprisals for western government actions in the Middle East. ISIS is not a national liberation movement. It has no demands that can be negotiated over the table. It wants to kill people like you and me simply because we live a free, liberated and modern way of life, and our religion is predominantly Christian. It regards all of this as sin beyond measure.

See the extract from their statement around the killings. They are not a political group, they are an Islamic cult, and we hold no responsibility for these kind of beliefs.

"In a blessed battle whose causes of success were enabled by Allah, a group of believers from the soldiers of the Caliphate (may Allah strengthen and support it) set out targeting the capital of prostitution and vice, the lead carrier of the cross in Europe — Paris. This group of believers were youth who divorced the worldly life and advanced towards their enemy hoping to be killed for Allah's sake, doing so in support of His religion, His Prophet (blessing and peace be upon him), and His allies.