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'Westerners are finally being given just a small taste of the constant fear that people from other nations have endured for generations’ as a result of our military actions abroad.

I used to agree with this, and there is case for chickens coming home to roost, what we reap we sow etc but we have to move forward.

Enough of the cultural appeasement and hand wringing - we must move forward and fight for the Enlightenment.

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Thanks for answering my question.

What can I answer? Your questions are just stupid and provocative.

I am not denying racism againt Muslim people in Europe but anti-european racism is an issue no one can deny too. For decades, we thought that we could be an happy country by not forcing new migrants to adopt our national culture, we thought that multicultularism was "cool". Our gouvernors thought they could easily mix two populations with completely different cultures and beliefs. The cultural gap was way too big.

And now we have a lot of Muslim people that are more and more religious (without being islamists) and do not accept secularism within societies that tend to be more and more secular and liberal. That can only create clashes and growing tensions. What stroke about Charlie Hebdo was to hear so many "moderate" muslims say "I am not happy about what happened but I do not feel sorry for them; they knew they were taking risks". And have you seen the video of that Jewish guy walking in Paris? And we have known the islamist danger for at least 25 years and have done nothing because we were scared to be called racist.

Blaming people of Europe for what is going on is just irresponsible and dangerous. It will only boost far right.

Now what is the solution? I honnestly do not know. We spent 40 years not dealing with anything, hence the mess today. And it will take time, education, money and probably new dead people before getting anywhere.

Im guessing there will now be a full on ground assault by a French led coalition. Seems like the airstrikes will never completely destroy ISIS.

France has not enough military capabilities to lead a coalition on the ground. Only Obama can, and I do not think he will. We will continue with those useless and expensive air strikes. I am not an expert but I feel like we have created such a big mess there that every decision will be a bad decision.

Maybe some day, Western governments will only care about their own countries (I am joking of course).

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Questions to any atheist here.

When someone writes pray for peace what does that means to you?

I believe in God and I definitely understand that prayer is communication with God.

What is your thoughts and meaning of such?

Would you get offended if someone told you to pray for so and so?

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Questions to any atheist here.

When someone writes pray for peace what does that means to you?

I believe in God and I definitely understand that prayer is communication with God.

What is your thoughts and meaning of such?

Would you get offended if someone told you to pray for so and so?

No, I wouldn't get offended. It just means people are trying to help in their own ways with their own beliefs.

IMO it doesn't help much, but I can't criticize because I'm not doing anything to help either.

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Questions to any atheist here.

When someone writes pray for peace what does that means to you?

It means someone hope that all evil things which happened there just end.

I have other question. What this avatars on fb will do for this what happened? Have it any sense?

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Security guard named Zohir, placed at one of the entrances to the stadium, said that the terrorist tried to enter the stadium 15 minutes after Kick-off.

The security suspected and tried to Check him, he retreated - and blew himself up.

A police source confirmed this, saying that He had planned to blew himself in the stands, to create panic that would lead to mass killing. Stadium, containing 80 thousand seats held friendly match between France and Germany, france president attended the game too.


The Second Terrorist, waited outside the stadium for all the people that could run away from the first explosion inside, blew himself at Mcdonalds.

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That makes no sense. Any French (or any other western) troops on the ground will create many times more local support for the side they are targeting. In case you didn't know, the French/British/US armies are not exactly popular in the region, and with pretty good reasons. It will certainly NOT make their citizens any safer, but on the contrary undermine the security of France. Ask yourself, why are the targets usually France, UK and USA, the three major imperialistic powers? That's not justify the attacks in any way, but it's an obvious fact that violence will create even more violence.

Obviously there were many mistakes after the invasion, mostly from the lack of understanding of the society and probably the lack of caring about the population and some were obviously intentional policies of creating more sectarian divides. However all of that become irrelevant next to the biggest crime of the century which was the invasion itself. Can anyone actually justify the invasion now? All the thinly veiled pretexts have fallen since but people don't think about the reasons anymore. The biggest criticism of the invasion in the mainstream is that it was a 'mistake', a tactical blunder because it didn't work out. Nothing about it being the biggest international crime of the century or about the immorality of invading a country and causing the deaths of over 1.8 million people just for oil and political and military influence. Nothing about all the generals and leaders and even propaganda media editors who should be jail....

I think you're underestimating a huge fact in the discussion, Nour... which is religious extremists are crazy people.

When no one attacks they'll kill because some small newspaper in France made fun of their faith.

I agree with most of what you said, but Western countries are just taking advantage of something they didn't create themselves and who definitely won't end if they stop funding and attacking. They turned a small thing into a giant and I don't think it's so simple to stop it now.

Even without funding and attacks now, I believe they can still orchestrate any attack (albeit smaller) they want and as those people aren't sane, it doesn't need much for them to feel motivated.

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Questions to any atheist here.

When someone writes pray for peace what does that means to you?

I believe in God and I definitely understand that prayer is communication with God.

What is your thoughts and meaning of such?

Would you get offended if someone told you to pray for so and so?

A cartoonist from Charlie Hebdo had this to say:

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Security guard named Zohir, placed at one of the entrances to the stadium, said that the terrorist tried to enter the stadium 15 minutes after Kick-off.
The security suspected and tried to Check him, he retreated - and blew himself up.
A police source confirmed this, saying that He had planned to blew himself in the stands, to create panic that would lead to mass killing. Stadium, containing 80 thousand seats held friendly match between France and Germany, france president attended the game too.
The Second Terrorist, waited outside the stadium for all the people that could run away from the first explosion inside, blew himself at Mcdonalds.
They are Lucky Twice...
1. Because he couldn't enter the stadium.
2. He came 15 minutes after Kick-off, and not before, when all the crowd waited to enter...
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Why Suicide bombers didn't blew their selfes when peoples whre goinf to the stadium? They could kill THOUSANDS of peoples.

They aren't very clever, in all likelihood

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There are some unsavoury elements in this thread ,, For a while put aside politics and consider the innocent victims AND their families .

Forget your prejudices and just imagine your emotions if someone close to you had been killed or was near to death . EMPATHY is what makes us human

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Why Suicide bombers didn't blew their selfes when peoples whre goinf to the stadium? They could kill THOUSANDS of peoples.

Probably because the plan was to get inside the stadium and explode in front of all the cameras (reports saying his ticket was for a mid section seat). They probably designed the bomb so it wouldnt trigger the metal detectors or whatever typw of security they were expecting. Thank goodness it did though...

P.S: Of course this is all my expeculation but it does make sense imo.

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Probably because the plan was to get inside the stadium and explode in front of all the cameras (reports saying his ticket was for a mid section seat). They probably designed the bomb so it wouldnt trigger the metal detectors or whatever typw of security they were expecting. Thank goodness it did though...

P.S: Of course this is all my expeculation but it does make sense imo.

But why he wanted to enter after the match, not before and then blew him-self and few hundred or thousand people around him

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'Westerners are finally being given just a small taste of the constant fear that people from other nations have endured for generations as a result of our military actions abroad.

I used to agree with this, and there is case for chickens coming home to roost, what we reap we sow etc but we have to move forward.

Enough of the cultural appeasement and hand wringing - we must move forward and fight for the Enlightenment.

Yeah because unlike in europe those people in middle east cant live with each other beacause of their 'religion' that is going on for hundreds of years. Sure the usa shouldnt get involved because of their real intentions, but european got involved to save people down there who are innocent. Sure we wont just let them kill each other and not try to help. But bottom line is that there are some crazy people who mix religion with fucked up ideals and drag people into this to create army and war etc. Raising kids from their early ages to become living bomb one day. That is messed up.

Dont compare europe to middle east. They cant live in peace. We can. Sure bombings from eu planes on their cities are not justified, but it was a decision to stop ISIS from spreading. Ironicaly we let hundreds and hudreds people thru borders every day.

Even if there is just 1 percent of 20m (or how many people will get in eu in couple years), thats enough to close borders and secure europe from more terrorists. Its obvious there are terorists among refugees. I have nothing against refugees who want to escape their land (althrough they should fight for their land in first place like europeans fought for ours. We didnt just escape in time of wars ffs) but I have major hatred towards any terrorist or even idealists of their religion because those will never live in peace. And that is enough to close borders.

We had wwi and wwii and didnt escape. War ended because we wanted that. We fought for it. Middle east doesnt know what they are fighting for. For religion? Sorry but fuck that. If their religion is killing people its just wrong. If they wanted to stop the war they would get together ask for help and thats it. But no they want to solve it on their own for years and years and years. And i dont want that to be spread in europe.

Everyone knows Isis is financed by usa or their agencies and Merkel is Obamas bitch (sorry for expresion but its true). Trying to destabilize EU. And sure terrorists are the easiest way to destabilize that.

Sure everyone is nice and all now but people must be fooling themselves if they think paris was exception. There will be more and more of that. In couple years france will have same number of muslims as they have caucasians. Try to stop that when it will be to late will only lead to extreme decisions. And yet people think everything will be fine. Im not sure what governments are thinking. Living in delusion. And when you will be in danger, you will only then realise allowing all this and being nice was a mistake. Checking Every single person on borders would be ideal. If that is not possible close borders. Its for greater good.

Wake the fuck up. Stop praying and start thinking.

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