The Mourinho Thread

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Most of us are sure that bringing back José is the right decision.Long term ? Why not ? You cant just win all the time, and our position and what the players are showing on the pitch since Ancelotti's second season at the club is disgusting, and Micheal E is not that important, because our buys were obvious.

I think you've just presented an argument against us having any scouts whatsoever, but you have a point. Everyone is my local was talking about Azpilicueta back in 2010.

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Emanalo has a dual purpose. On the one hand he is a yes man who is ready to kowtow to any whimsical 'roy of the rovers' type transfer that is abramovichs whim. This is the key attribute

He is no threat to any fantasy signing -Rooney, Beckham that Caligula Abramovich might want, he wont challenge it.

On the other hand in his position he can take the credit for the Hazards, Oscars that a whole network of scouts have dug out.

Bottom line the bloke is a recommendation of the slimey toad yesman Grant. Nuff said.

You Can be more subtle...

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Juan Mata, i remember very well on a French forum i said that he would be such a succes because he was great in his last season.

Eden Hazard, no need to explain, best player in France twice.

Oscar : Brazil's number 10, but it was a surprise.

Azpi : Didier Dechamps bought him from Osasuna but had a terrible injury, since then, he was the best RB with Mathieu Debuchy & OM had financial difficulties.

And the list goes on... its obvious that we'll never buy a Sissoko (NCFC) or a Wanyama, a player not very expensive but just fantastic.

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Juan Mata, i remember very well on a French forum i said that he would be such a succes because he was great in his last season.

Eden Hazard, no need to explain, best player in France twice.

Oscar : Brazil's number 10, but it was a surprise.

Azpi : Didier Dechamps bought him from Osasuna but had a terrible injury, since then, he was the best RB with Mathieu Debuchy & OM had financial difficulties.

And the list goes on... its obvious that we'll never buy a Sissoko (NCFC) or a Wanyama, a player not very expensive but just fantastic.

Well I think we've found the replacement for Emenalo lads.

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Well I think we've found the replacement for Emenalo lads.

I prefer José, he is a bit better than me for this job

[MHL 47 378]

More points? Did you count them because I sure haven't. I also think the word 'nefarious' is unfair and I've pointed out before that Begiristain also came into his position without any experience at coaching or scouting level. But I'm sure you know full well that football is very much a 'who you know' business at times. Did Gullit have experience? Did Vialli have experience? Let's be fair and judge him by the same standards we apply to others.

He's been in his current position since 2011, which is why I don't give him much credit for the youth team's success.

In any argument (I'll use your play on words), the more justifiable points made against rhetoric and suggestion, certainly in my view adds more weight and has a better chance of being more valid. So, yes it's better to have more reasonably argued points. Begiristain, against I'd stated his history and learning process plus his proven success. Gullit and Vialli had the experience of playing at the highest level and working with the best coaches of their day. Mr Emenalo did not and has not.

Nefarious is fair in my view, brought in by the yes man Grant to be his yes man and a set of loyal eyes and ears. Posed no threat because he had even less experience than Grant.

Non-contributors yet you just asked me to define his role. You say football people in, yet Emenalo is an ex-pro who lives and breathes the game. You may argue about the level he played at or the fact he managed a girls team, but to say he isn't a football man seems a little unfair.

That's ignoring the fact that the term 'football people' is at best subjective and fairly meaningless in a grown-up conversation. You've suggested getting Pat Nevin in before when he's previous stint as a director was pretty disastrous, although I'm sure you'll say that he wasn't responsible simply by being present (which is fair).

I'm not crying foul. I've actually praised you for your maturity in this debate (hope that didn't sound patronising because I truly believe you want what's best for this club).

Notts County for parts of a season and a minor league in Africa, I played in the 1st round of the FA Cup once, that almost makes me as qualified as him! Now I'd agree the term football people can mean different things to different people, let's just say he lacks the experience and gravitas to hold such an elevated position at such a prestigious club. An example of a non-footballer who you could class as a football person is a chap who I've also used as an example of someone who would improve us, namely David Dein.

Ferguson wouldn't want ANYONE around at this point. It's a completely spurious point that you keep raising, will all due respect. THEY are the consistent presence at their club. For fuck's sake, they ARE their respective clubs and if you stick on Sky Sports 2 now you can see just how that's working out for Wenger.

They can't sack him because he's so entwined in the club.

You keep spuriously raising SAF and Wenger, I've said in the past where would he get a job in any of the top four sides in the major European Leagues, you wouldn't answer because you know the answer. I've also said neither of them would allow him at those clubs (in my opinion) because he lacks the skills necessary.

I agree that Jose will galvanise the first-team but we also have to look at everything else happening around the club. How well we do in recruitment and development of youngsters will decide what future we have. We need to give Mourinho the right eggs don't we? In that regard we're moving in the right direction.

We have a head of youth recruitment and development, Get a decent DofF in, someone who will pose no threat to the Manager and who is there for continuity purposes, in fact define the role that way Continuity Director.

It's also worth pointing out that we are seriously in for Mourinho - and Emenalo is part of the board, so doesn't he get any credit for that? If he's to bear the burden for the Benitez appointment then what about Mourinho's possible appointment?

Azpilicueta. Omeruo. Courtois. De Bruyne.

Now I'm sure you know the main people involved in the scouting of those players but let's not pretend he's simply bought from the top table.

Firstly Emenalo won't have nothing to do with Jose's appointment, if it happens, It'll be done whether he approves or not. There's only one to four people who'll be involved at the club in that appointment. If he survives it, he'll put up with it because it'll be Romans way or the highway for him. Benitez dealt with Emenalo during his appointment, direct quotes from Benitez. Benitez didn't even meet or talk to Roman until after his appointment. You'll also probably know that Emenalo is becoming increasingly isolated at Cobham.

Of those four players you mention, three of them were full internationals, hardly pulled rabbits out of the hat there! With respect we've not got a first team game yet out of three of the four, so declaring them a success as yet is at best a little bit presumptuous on your behalf.

We have about 20 young players out on loan. Many of those are worthwhile loans, some are phenomenal (Lukaku, De Bruyne, Courtois, Chalobah) and I think he deserves some of the credit for that. Josh is years off being ready because of his physicality and, in my opinion, his mental approach to the game. He hasn't gone backwards, he simply has a different development curve to other players.

Fair enough. But still the questions remain - do we replace him and if we do, who with? Mourinho has been a short-term option at every club he's been at. I intend on supporting this club in 4 years time and I'm sure you do to - what happens then?

Courtois loaned out before he got the job, Chalobah's loan was sorted by Eddie Newton, as was Lukaku. De Bruyne's deal was part of the transfer deal demanded by Bruge. Is Josh a better player now than he was a season and a bit ago? In my opinion, no. Therefore he's gone backwards, if his development is slower than others fair enough. Continual improvement is part of development, he's not improved.

If we got the right man we'd have a path for continuity, we've not got the right men. The more I think about it, the more there's a case for ripping it up and starting again.

Here's a proper Board - Dein, Kenyon, Hiddink, Buck, Roman plus Tenenbaum (he just goes with Roman everywhere anyway).

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I like him a lot but would take him only if he will give chance to young players and play atacking football. He is brilliant tactician and knows everything about defending and counter football, but he is terrible IN MAKING YOUNG PLAYERS BECOME GREAT PLAYERS. Di Maria, Ozil were all established players already, Varane got major role because of Zidane, while only Morata is getting some play time from Castilla players. Carvajal, Sarabia, Joselu, Canales, Rodri should all stay in RM, but Mou sent them away because he didnt give fuck abou them...same will happen to Ake, Chalobah, Feruz if Mou comes...besides we are making new Chelsea, someone younger ala Laudrup, De Boer, Klopp should come...Mou as much I like him, he doesnt suit this chelsea team...

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In any argument (I'll use your play on words), the more justifiable points made against rhetoric and suggestion, certainly in my view adds more weight and has a better chance of being more valid. So, yes it's better to have more reasonably argued points. Begiristain, against I'd stated his history and learning process plus his proven success. Gullit and Vialli had the experience of playing at the highest level and working with the best coaches of their day. Mr Emenalo did not and has not.

Nefarious is fair in my view, brought in by the yes man Grant to be his yes man and a set of loyal eyes and ears. Posed no threat because he had even less experience than Grant.

Notts County for parts of a season and a minor league in Africa, I played in the 1st round of the FA Cup once, that almost makes me as qualified as him! Now I'd agree the term football people can mean different things to different people, let's just say he lacks the experience and gravitas to hold such an elevated position at such a prestigious club. An example of a non-footballer who you could class as a football person is a chap who I've also used as an example of someone who would improve us, namely David Dein.

You keep spuriously raising SAF and Wenger, I've said in the past where would he get a job in any of the top four sides in the major European Leagues, you wouldn't answer because you know the answer. I've also said neither of them would allow him at those clubs (in my opinion) because he lacks the skills necessary.

We have a head of youth recruitment and development, Get a decent DofF in, someone who will pose no threat to the Manager and who is there for continuity purposes, in fact define the role that way Continuity Director.

Firstly Emenalo won't have nothing to do with Jose's appointment, if it happens, It'll be done whether he approves or not. There's only one to four people who'll be involved at the club in that appointment. If he survives it, he'll put up with it because it'll be Romans way or the highway for him. Benitez dealt with Emenalo during his appointment, direct quotes from Benitez. Benitez didn't even meet or talk to Roman until after his appointment. You'll also probably know that Emenalo is becoming increasingly isolated at Cobham.

Of those four players you mention, three of them were full internationals, hardly pulled rabbits out of the hat there! With respect we've not got a first team game yet out of three of the four, so declaring them a success as yet is at best a little bit presumptuous on your behalf.

Courtois loaned out before he got the job, Chalobah's loan was sorted by Eddie Newton, as was Lukaku. De Bruyne's deal was part of the transfer deal demanded by Bruge. Is Josh a better player now than he was a season and a bit ago? In my opinion, no. Therefore he's gone backwards, if his development is slower than others fair enough. Continual improvement is part of development, he's not improved.

If we got the right man we'd have a path for continuity, we've not got the right men. The more I think about it, the more there's a case for ripping it up and starting again.

Here's a proper Board - Dein, Kenyon, Hiddink, Buck, Roman plus Tenenbaum (he just goes with Roman everywhere anyway).

We're just going to have to agree to disagree because we're just going round in circles. Personally I think it's too early to judge him but I like what I'm seeing since he took over. You haven't convinced me otherwise and I doubt I'll convince you.

Giving Eddie all the credit for the loan of Lukaku and Chalobah is a little unfair and I suspect it's based on the managers at those clubs. Eddie reports to Emenalo and so it would've been his say so, although it does hint at how many things are in play at the club and how important it is to have someone who co-ordinates it all. If Jose can help build a system that manages that efficiently then it might make sense to get rid of Emenalo (who isn't 'increasingly isolated' as you've suggested - in fact he's probably more powerful than he has been at any other time purely because of Benitez being a short-term appointment) but that has to be a system that can survive without Jose, which is what we have now.

But like I said, we both want what's best for the club we just have different opinions of how that's best achieved.

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^wow alot of discussions that my eyes got tired haha

I think Jose just wants full control, nothing personal with emenalo. Right now chelsea have no manager but rather first team coach. From what happened in Madrid and Chelsea in the past i think its obvious Jose doesnt want to be given players he didnt choose. I dont know, its a though situation for sure, why not just let the chief scout sign youth players for the academy and file reports of potential first teamers (players in the age of 19+) to the manager (Jose) and he will choose who to sign to fit the system currently used.

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree because we're just going round in circles. Personally I think it's too early to judge him but I like what I'm seeing since he took over. You haven't convinced me otherwise and I doubt I'll convince you.

Giving Eddie all the credit for the loan of Lukaku and Chalobah is a little unfair and I suspect it's based on the managers at those clubs. Eddie reports to Emenalo and so it would've been his say so, although it does hint at how many things are in play at the club and how important it is to have someone who co-ordinates it all. If Jose can help build a system that manages that efficiently then it might make sense to get rid of Emenalo (who isn't 'increasingly isolated' as you've suggested - in fact he's probably more powerful than he has been at any other time purely because of Benitez being a short-term appointment) but that has to be a system that can survive without Jose, which is what we have now.

But like I said, we both want what's best for the club we just have different opinions of how that's best achieved.

No, we won't agree.

As regards the loans, that information is solid. Eddie has a line of reporting past Emenalo. The rest of my reply I'll put in the thread suggested earlier.

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No, we won't agree.

As regards the loans, that information is solid. Eddie has a line of reporting past Emenalo. The rest of my reply I'll put in the thread suggested earlier.

I'm afraid it isn't (to the best of my knowledge). All loans are ultimately Emenalo's decision which is why when there was a discussion about Chalobah's recall and a possible loan for Ake in January it was his call. That's one of his main roles at the club. I'm not saying Eddie wasn't involved in handling it and I'm sure you're aware of his role in monitoring players on-loan, but the person he reports to is Emenalo.

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Since this is the Jose thread, I´d like to post something about him here.

According to Msport Jose to meet Real president at the end of this month to discuss his future.

Real are understood to have already prepared a 10m quids severance package for Jose to depart in the summer.

Now, where is the world going if someone who is not wanted walks away with fucking 10 million.

[MHL 47 378]

Since this is the Jose thread, I´d like to post something about him here.

According to Msport Jose to meet Real president at the end of this month to discuss his future.

Real are understood to have already prepared a 10m quids severance package for Jose to depart in the summer.

Now, where is the world going if someone who is not wanted walks away with fucking 10 million.

The answer to the last sentence is in most medium/large businesses in the world.

At Boardroom/Director level you can be an abject failure and walk/be pushed out with large severence packages, never mind if it's just a case that your face doesn't fit or even if you've upset a couple of overhyped club/national 'treasures'.

I've seen it countless times, there's a certain level that you reach where it really doesn't matter whether you're good at what you do or not, if you have to go you'll go with a big lump of money. It's only the medium level managers and below that get the minimum or nothing.

[Styles 9,790]

I prefer José, he is a bit better than me for this job

Not really, Jose will just sign whatever player Jorge Mendez 'recommends'. So Falcao is almost certain to be a Chelsea player if Mourinho takes the job.

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The answer to the last sentence is in most medium/large businesses in the world.

At Boardroom/Director level you can be an abject failure and walk/be pushed out with large severence packages, never mind if it's just a case that your face doesn't fit or even if you've upset a couple of overhyped club/national 'treasures'.

I've seen it countless times, there's a certain level that you reach where it really doesn't matter whether you're good at what you do or not, if you have to go you'll go with a big lump of money. It's only the medium level managers and below that get the minimum or nothing.

Well, that´s all dandy what you wrote here. However, 10m is just out of the current economical situation in the world. Nothing else, nothing more.