Stingray 9,441 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 LolThe its impossible not to be bias really, you'd know this if you read even the most simple of critical thinking books, the no spin zone i post for various reasons.Yes. You are a virgin. I would eat you alive on this one. Challenge me. I dare you.Lets see who knows most about true critical thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Everyone makes errors. If his worse spell as a manager resulted in what he did at madrid, then im not even slightly concerned lol.Well there is something else to consider, not every manager can be top for quite a while. Two great example are Wenger and Benitez. Wenger did amazing when he got to Arsenal but as the year went by well you know the story. He over stayed because of sentimental value, like the fan love him, stability and all that nonsense. All that emotions can blind you from the truth, that your manager ain't good no more. And because there is so much emotional connection there is greater support to hold onto a losing cause. Benitez was amazing at valencia and did amazing at the first couple of years at Liverpool. But same like Wenger he went downhill. When people talk about stability they think about saf, and for me that's a misconception. I think saf case was once in a lifetime. We might never see something like that ever again because the sport has changed. So much money involved in the game that I think 3 to 5 years for a manager in a team is a long time. That being said, with Mourinho horrible time at Madrid he needs to hit the ground running on his comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinedine Iniesco 172 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Stingray it is obvious that you have been offended by my presence and apparently it is due to fear that i might bury you without even trying. Like i said i dont have any interest in "outwitting" you in my sleep, your insecurities are your own problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutcho 8,443 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Well there is something else to consider, not every manager can be top for quite a while.Two great example are Wenger and Benitez.Wenger did amazing when he got to Arsenal but as the year went by well you know the story. He over stayed because of sentimental value, like the fan love him, stability and all that nonsense. All that emotions can blind you from the truth, that your manager ain't good no more. And because there is so much emotional connection there is greater support to hold onto a losing cause.Benitez was amazing at valencia and did amazing at the first couple of years at Liverpool. But same like Wenger he went downhill.When people talk about stability they think about saf, and for me that's a misconception. I think saf case was once in a lifetime. We might never see something like that ever again because the sport has changed.So much money involved in the game that I think 3 to 5 years for a manager in a team is a long time.That being said, with Mourinho horrible time at Madrid he needs to hit the ground running on his comeback.Look at arsenal's squad. Wenger hasn't gone downhill. Wenger has been the same all along and done the best with what he has to work with. Managers are only as good as their squad allows them to be. Mourinho is a great manager and with a great squad they can go hand in hand. "But Madrid have a great squad", i hear you say. True, but they have a lot of big names established players. We have a team that is on the up filled with players who can be moulded by Mourinho and are the Future Greats. And i wouldn't call it a horrible time at madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina 210 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Carvalho - Jose will win league with Chelsea (video) And says: Essien will be training for Jose in July http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/8749558/carvalho-jose-will-win-league-with-chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 cant anybody get this idiot out of here. he is spoiling the moment. Martina, nachikethas and Ramox 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Bayern treble. Mourinho time at Madrid compared to jupp at Bayern is horrible. And this come with Bayern changing manager like Chelsea and Madrid does. Stability? Nonsense! Is all about the board building a great team so the manager can manage them and get the best like jupp did. Now time to move on and give chance to another manager. This is the philosophy I see Chelsea following with roman, emanolo and company. Managers are dispensable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinedine Iniesco 172 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Lol at carvalho saying the first 2 seasons were good.The second one was the only good one.EDIT: im done with the mourinho thread for now, i gave a rebuttal for everything really and simply stated my opinion with supporting details and evidence, if you want to learn more then just backtrack. Ill return to the thread to talk about the subject incase there is a worthy post, until then let this be the delusional illogical love fest that it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Stingray it is obvious that you have been offended by my presence and apparently it is due to fear that i might bury you without even trying. Like i said i dont have any interest in "outwitting" you in my sleep, your insecurities are your own problem. As much as i liked your ideas on Mou, your next step was weak. So I am not offended by your presence but I am a little because of the arrogance you display to some. It might be youth, american hybris, or just a personality trait. In dealing with other people in a mature reponsable way .... you probably know about hamburgers but you do not know how to cook. Go read some real philosophy, some real critical thinking. Then come back to me. Ps: i am open for debate: so feel free. Ps2: never, ever underestimate you opponent. I will challenge the shit out of you on the topic of critical thinking now. bababoom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Look at arsenal's squad. Wenger hasn't gone downhill. Wenger has been the same all along and done the best with what he has to work with. Managers are only as good as their squad allows them to be. Mourinho is a great manager and with a great squad they can go hand in hand. "But Madrid have a great squad", i hear you say. True, but they have a lot of big names established players. We have a team that is on the up filled with players who can be moulded by Mourinho and are the Future Greats. And i wouldn't call it a horrible time at madrid.It is a horrible time. 3 years with all that money and that's all he could win? And don't come with record breaking league cause a horrible Barcelona just did that this season.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina 210 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Managers are dispensable.But true fans aren't. Mind you, I don't mean the glory hunters. didierforever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IliyaDamyanov 43 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 so tomorrow is the big day...can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martina 210 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 EDIT: im done with the mourinho thread for nowOff to Napoli forums and warn them about Rafa? bababoom and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinedine Iniesco 172 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Stingray, like i said i have no intent in challenging anything you might offer lol, i already said this. I dont care.Ive been among the only civil people here by replying with calm and rebuttals, the people have responded in rage, knowing most people here are "Delusional" to state it simply, i have no reason to try to cook the hamburgers well enough so that i kiss ass into oblivion lol.open for debate? say something smart and relevant and maybe there will be debate lol. :blue scalf:You make this about critical thinking really, you are just pushing to get challenged and maybe even r@ped based on your insecurities most likely and like i said, i have no interest in that lol. You come off as weak in that respect, i could give u reasonable doubt but like i said, i dont care about that so drop it or keep consuming yourself.@ Martina. You have my pity. EDIT: Didier and any other raging "noobs" like him also do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 But true fans aren't. Mind you, I don't mean the glory hunters.Celebrate the many trophies Chelsea won over the years with different managers? If so then there is the truth. That managers are dispensable! As long as we got a good squad which our board help us build we will win with a decent manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Lol at carvalho saying the first 2 seasons were good.The second one was the only good one.EDIT: im done with the mourinho thread for now, i gave a rebuttal for everything really and simply stated my opinion with supporting details and evidence, if you want to learn more then just backtrack. Ill return to the thread to talk about the subject incase there is a worthy post, until then let this be the delusional illogical love fest that it is!THANK GOD!!! no more of crack pot stuff. btw cant u go to a madrid forum and curse mou all u want. just dont understand the need of a madrid supporter (as u claim) to come to a chelsea forum when a) you dont have a manager half your squad wants to leave or is on its way outc) there is a big presidential election which will go a long way to decide madrid's future. i am sure their is a lot for madrid fans to talk about now. or wait just realized that u r a TROLOLOLOLOL.... Martina 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Lol at carvalho saying the first 2 seasons were good.The second one was the only good one.EDIT: im done with the mourinho thread for now, i gave a rebuttal for everything really and simply stated my opinion with supporting details and evidence, if you want to learn more then just backtrack. Ill return to the thread to talk about the subject incase there is a worthy post, until then let this be the delusional illogical love fest that it is!Bye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiclasCFC 2,582 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 So Carvalho has just Confirmed Jose is coming home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndersonBLUE 819 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Stop trolling and gtfo Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HNKS 508 Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 So Carvalho has just Confirmed Jose is coming home?We knew he was coming home months ago. The only confirmation that matters is the Chelsea FC one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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