The Mourinho Thread

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

19 hours ago, Spike said:

Personally I think it's a simple case of Mourinho's era passing. He was the man from 04-10. Nobody could top him; nobody could outsmart him. He was simply head over shoulders better than his contemporaries. That is a long time at the top especially as football goes in cycles. Mourinho's cycle ended when Guardiola's began, now even the latter's cycle is seemingly closing. The only manager to really stand against the grain of time was Sir Ferguson and even he had his down years.

Man, it's too early. WAYYY TOO EARLY. Why jump on the conclusion at this point ?

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

Guardiola never even got knocked out before semifinal. 6 semifinals out of 6.

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

21 hours ago, Pizy said:

While he did revert to form towards the end of his time here, we can't forget how exciting and pleasant on the eyes our football was in the first half of last season. He may be able to get them playing like that. Unlike us, United actually have a bunch of players who can keep the ball for extended periods of time as well. I think players like Martial and Depay are perfect for Mourinho and both Rooney and José have never hid their admiration for one another so I can see him get a boost in form.

The other (and biggest) reason they'll put up with him and why I think he's nailed on to be a success is who he'll be able to attract and sign. He'll make our board look like total mugs if he goes out first thing in the summer and signs the targets he wanted here that we failed to secure. Say he does what he did with Costa and Cesc and in the first weeks of the summer and signs Stones and Pogba.

Agree that there's definitely risk, but for a club like them who's desperate for immediate success you can't go wrong with Mourinho.

We have just as many players who are comfortable at holding the ball as United have tbh. Hazard and Willian are better dribblers than any United players. 

That's irrelevant however. Mourinho's teams don't really play with the ball at their feet. 

[Hybrid Angel 2,130]

Mourinho at United? Bring it on.

He'll play the same shite football he did here, spend big money, might even win the league in his second season, but he will eventually fall out spectacularly with his players and leave them in a worse position they're now.

Their fans are so desperate for success that they will forget the attacking philosophy and reliance on youth that has been established in the club for many years. If they had a single brain cell they would go for Pochettino. He fits the united philosophy and his plan would require much less transformation than Mourinho. It's even funnier when you see their fans rambling about how their plan is to go Lvg-Mou-Poch, implying that the team would have to adjust to Mourinho's needs and then re-adjust to Pochettino's.

But this is very hypocritical coming from a Chelsea fan. We've had a winning manager in old mourinho, an attacking and winning one in Ancelotti, a revolutionary one in AVB, and then a defensive-minded Mourinho. 

Some need to realize that the basis of long term success lies in the stability of the club's footballing philosphy, and how the club chooses its managers and players based on that. We can bring all the top managers here if we want, but unless they all generally play the same style, we will never enjoy long term success. 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[Fernando 6,585]

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

[11Drogba 2,000]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

Working with Begiristain makes City job easier for Guardiola. He would have to deal with Woodward at United.

[Blue Colored Sky 1,807]

2 hours ago, Fernando said:

Man United set for record revenues despite Champions League exit

http://www.espnfc.us/manchester-united/story/2805008/manchester-united-set-for-record-revenues-despite-ucl-exit

 

This is why I still say that Pep did not choose the easier job. The easier job by far would have been United as they got more money to spend. Giving that City also have to spend to build a squad giving that they have older players and their defensive players are not that good.

United by far the easiest job because of the money they have.

But then compare approaches of both clubs.

Man United owners want to make money from this club.

Man City owners want to bring money to the club and they're not interested to make money from this.

Very different.

[Fernando 6,585]

3 hours ago, 11Drogba said:

Working with Begiristain makes City job easier for Guardiola. He would have to deal with Woodward at United.

How do you know Woodward is hard to work with. You worked with the guy?

So far he has giving every player Van Gaal has wanted. Other players they wanted to buy but they didn't want to come.

2 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

But then compare approaches of both clubs.

Man United owners want to make money from this club.

Man City owners want to bring money to the club and they're not interested to make money from this.

Very different.

Yeah but United still has the money coming in and they have shown the past few transfers window by spending big. They have no problem with spending now.

[Styles 9,790]

20 hours ago, Fernando said:

This is funny:

 

Will Ferrell admits Jose Mourinho sacking at Chelsea was his fault

http://www.espnfc.us/blog/the-toe-poke/65/post/2804388/will-ferrell-admits-jose-mourinho-sacking-chelsea-his-fault

Thank you, Will Ferrell. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

43 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 

So far he has giving every player Van Gaal has wanted.

 

You attend to their meetings?

Guardiola knows Begristain for 30 years and they were very successful together at Barca. It is hard to have that synergy with someone else.

[Fernando 6,585]

15 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

You attend to their meetings?

Guardiola knows Begristain for 30 years and they were very successful together at Barca. It is hard to have that synergy with someone else.

And they had a lot of problems with the players they bought. Chigrinsky anyone?

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

[Spike 12,049]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

And they had a lot of problems with the players they bought. Chigrinsky anyone?

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

One transfer isn't 'a lot'. Ibrahimovic conversely was very good player for them, he and the manager simply were at odds.

[11Drogba 2,000]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 

He didn't cut at Barcelona for a reason.

He was the technical director between 2003-2010 at Barca.

[Fernando 6,585]

12 minutes ago, 11Drogba said:

He was the technical director between 2003-2010 at Barca.

Yeah but they let him go because of all those buys they was making. Wasn't as good. The best players was coming for La Masia and they bought a lot of duds.

[11Drogba 2,000]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

He didn't cut at Barcelona

Yeah but they let him go

After winning everything in seven years he resigned when Laporta stepped down. They won four trophies in his last season.

 

 

[Jase 43,479]

11 hours ago, Blue Colored Sky said:

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

He might have reached 5 consecutive Champions League semi finals but he failed to reach the final on each occasion.

If you compare the number of trophies he's won post-2010 with 'between 2004 and 2010', you will find that the numbers have dropped. Between 2004 and 2010, he won 11 trophies (excluding Community Shield, Italian Super Cup, Spanish Super Cup). Since then, he's won only 4.

[xPetrCechx 13,574]

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[robsblubot 3,595]

Look at the player faces and remember what they looked like in the beginning of the season...

club wont release the info but they look visibly thinner and fitter now. It's quite obvious with ivanovic in particular.

was it Jose letting them lose after the title win, or club poor preseason planning? Both? Whoever becomes the manager needs to do better.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 2/11/2016 at 9:28 AM, Blue Colored Sky said:

Man, it's too early. WAYYY TOO EARLY. Why jump on the conclusion at this point ?

Mourinho achieved 5 straight Champions League semifinals between 2010-14 with 3 diffrent clubs (when his era has passed).

Guardiola never even got knocked out before semifinal. 6 semifinals out of 6.

 

Mourinho never reached UCL final with Chelsea, despite facing Liverpool in 2 occasions, a team that in both occasions was a waker side. Mourinho was fired, Chelsea achieved a UCL final, beating the same Liverpool. I don't understand how people only think about the positive aspects of Mourinho's conservative tactics, or how some people act like its only a matter of taste. Sometimes you get the feeling that Mourinho is more afraid of losing than anything else. Bigger the occasion, more conservative his tactics get. I mean, back in 2005, Chelsea was waaay stronger than Liverpool, but somehow Jose came up with ultra conservative tactics, and could not even score a goal in 180 minutes. The gap was not that huge in 2007, but Chelsea was still some steps above Liverpool. In my opinion the rivalry between him and Rafa affected the outcome of those games, it seems he was so obsessed with not losing, that he made it pretty difficult to actually win.

Think about 2008 semi-final. The first 15 minutes of extra-time was one of the most intense football I've ever seen from Chelsea. The team scored a goal that was off-side, then actually scored 2-1, then still pursued a 3rd goal. 3-1. Only in the last 15 minutes the team parked the bus, but I'm sure if Mourinho was in charge, probably the match would have been decided on penalties. 

Mourinho reached semi-finals 2 times with Real. He was fired, then Real actually won it.

Problem with Mourinho tactics is he is ultra conservative even when its not really necessary, thats one of the reasons he is a UCL Semifinal specialist. 

[nono 791]

We were all waiting for Mourinho to change. With regards to his tactics, with regards to his dealing with others. He never did. United fans are in for a very rude awakening. Most of them are delusional and believe being their manager will make Mourinho change.