The Mourinho Thread

[bethos1 802]

I can understand people getting frustrated on Mourinho not using any of our talented youths and I am a little too...

But at the same time I can understand why he doesn't. We want to retain the league and aim for CL. Youths are more of a risk to creating mistakes.

Look at Arsenal over the past 11 years.

Well it's also a risk to keep playing Ivanovic or Ramires etc.

[bethos1 802]

Honestly I just dont see any of out current youth players playing for us.

Bamford maybe as 3rd striker, maybe someone else with a few minutes here and there.. but cant see anyone really "breaking" into the team.

We have had the best youth team in Europe for like 2 years, surely there has to be someone who's good enough to get a chance for us. It's not like our squad is full of amazing players.

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

The likes of Pedro don't necessarily act as a detriment to youth development. At the age of 28 and at the relatively low cost of £22m, he can act as a stop gap for..

Ah who am I kidding, he wouldn't play the kids if the whole first team was injured and his wife was being held hostage

And he'd make Roman pay the ransom fee

[DDA 9,941]

Well I think it's clear why Pedro choose us over United.

Is not like we are something great above United.

It has to do with lifestyle and management and Mourinho plays a big part of that.

One of the reason why United was so successful was not because of the "United" allure, but because of SAF.

Same can be said of Mourinho.

It would be great for once if he stays for us beyond 5 years, but I'm having reservation. His way of handling things at times can be chaotic, but if the club is willing to turn a deaf ear to such things and see the value this manager brings, then long term can be a possibility.

But all depends on how the hierarchy continue to act towards Mourinho shenanigans and weather his lack of youth integration means anything to them......

Chaotic!! SAF was chaotic !!

He threw hairdryers at heads.. Publicly slated his players (something Jose almost never does)

It's the media bro. They love to hate Jose.

[Jase 43,479]

I can understand people getting frustrated on Mourinho not using any of our talented youths and I am a little too...

But at the same time I can understand why he doesn't. We want to retain the league and aim for CL. Youths are more of a risk to creating mistakes.

Look at Arsenal over the past 11 years.

Why do people always bring up the Arsenal example in integrating youth discussion? Yes, Wenger didn't achieve much while trying to blood youngsters into the squad but then again, you look at what Fergie, Guardiola and heck, Van Gaal did at United, Barcelona and Bayern Munich respectively. They all integrated young players into the first team and still went on to win trophies. No one is asking Mourinho to go youth crazy and start playing 5-6 youngsters in the first XI. No. We want to see him integrate at least 1, if not 2 or 3 into the first team. We have some really good young players in the academy and we aren't really using them. We want to see progression, long term planning and if Mourinho is going to stay for years to come, like he plans to, then he can't go every year and just buy players in the market. Like Gary Neville said last year, you cannot win 4 Youth Cups in 6 years and not bring them through (watch the video below from 2mins 50secs onward).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tIFL2p1fJo

[Madmax 9,219]

But at the same time I can understand why he doesn't. We want to retain the league and aim for CL. Youths are more of a risk to creating mistakes.

Look at Arsenal over the past 11 years.

That can easily be countered with the argument that even with all that much touted experience in the ranks Chelsea have only managed one league in the past five seasons.

[nullabletype 987]

That can easily be countered with the argument that even with all that much touted experience in the ranks Chelsea have only managed one league in the past five seasons.

Of which José, the guy getting the flack, was only in charge of one. Doing the double in the second.

[Unionjack 7,531]

I gotta admit TBH that I dont trust youth too much either. OK 1 in a blue moon deserves a fair crack at the whip but I'd much rather buy who we can, where from and how much he cost.But at the same time I would probably play them over Bane/Cahill/Rami/Mikel/

[Laylabelle 9,536]

Sometimes you have to take a chance or having a youth team is fairly pointless if they just go elsewhere.Agree with what Jason said other teams have done it just fine and have results from it

[Madmax 9,219]

Of which José, the guy getting the flack, was only in charge of one. Doing the double in the second.

Every manager has got flak for it, the tendency at this club doesn't change irrespective of who's in the dugout. The longer Mourinho stays and the more he merely pays lip service through grand promises, the more scrutiny he heaps on himself.

[lionsden 4,689]

It's his third season now. the excuse for his lack of trust in youth was that we needed to break the 5 year league drought which he has already achieved and lack of stability. what will be the excuse this time if he once again ignore the youth?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Capital One Cup maybe?

To what end though? That's basically 5 games? And I bet you more than anything, when it gets to the QF/SF and Final we'll play the first XI because its "silverware" lmao.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

It's his third season now. the excuse for his lack of trust in youth was that we needed to break the 5 year league drought which he has already achieved and lack of stability. what will be the excuse this time if he once again ignore the youth?

I wish he never mentioned anything about youth last season or even in his first season. Those names he earmarked and gave all the rhetoric about breaking into the first team, giving them unreal expectations. The worst by far was when he said in the CL game how he'd play RLC and gave him 6 minutes from the end. Iirc it was a dead rubber too!!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Cristiano does not drink because his father died from alcoholism right?

I've heard its because he gives blood every month isn't it? Also why he doesn't have tattoos, due to the risk of hepatitis

[Fernando 6,585]

It's his third season now. the excuse for his lack of trust in youth was that we needed to break the 5 year league drought which he has already achieved and lack of stability. what will be the excuse this time if he once again ignore the youth?

Well the third season just started.

Look at what time Zouma came to the fray last season?

So let's not be so quick to judge.

I really think between this season towards the 5 fith season is where we should see some progress....the word is should.

[stroey 2,525]

Well I think it's clear why Pedro choose us over United.

Is not like we are something great above United.

It has to do with lifestyle and management and Mourinho plays a big part of that.

One of the reason why United was so successful was not because of the "United" allure, but because of SAF.

Same can be said of Mourinho.

It would be great for once if he stays for us beyond 5 years, but I'm having reservation. His way of handling things at times can be chaotic, but if the club is willing to turn a deaf ear to such things and see the value this manager brings, then long term can be a possibility.

But all depends on how the hierarchy continue to act towards Mourinho shenanigans and weather his lack of youth integration means anything to them......

Have you spoken to the manager? What did he say?

He is one of the main reasons why I’m here. He phoned me a few times and said he needed me to make the team stronger.

He has won titles wherever he has been. I am really looking forward to playing under him and hopefully winning more titles.

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2015/08/first-words--pedro.html

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

It's his third season now. the excuse for his lack of trust in youth was that we needed to break the 5 year league drought which he has already achieved and lack of stability. what will be the excuse this time if he once again ignore the youth?

Lionsden, forgive me, you've probably explained this many times and I may even have read it somewhere along the way but, as I type, I can't remember why this issue is so important to you.

You, me and pretty much everyone else here would like to see Cobham graduates regularly starting for the first team, and we all know it is an avowed aim of the club and its manager to see this happen but it can only be a subsidiary aim surely. The key goal must remain to produce a Chelsea team which plays the way we'd like and which dominates on the pitch. If that dream comes to be then, even though I take more interest in the development squads than most, I'll be counting the trophies, not the number of Cobhamites involved.

Jose needs no excuses. Only if the kids show themselves to be good enough, will they get game time. That's the only route for them. I think the challenge for people who take your point of view is that, so far, not one Cobham product has gone on to show that level of ability elsewhere. In fact, so far, they've all gone on to prove the exact opposite.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

To what end though? That's basically 5 games? And I bet you more than anything, when it gets to the QF/SF and Final we'll play the first XI because its "silverware" lmao.

If we reach that stage then we better play the top team. I'd be fuiming, not laughing, if we don't. It's a great characteristic of our club that if we're in it, then we aim to win it. We are not Arsenal.

[Laylabelle 9,536]

In a way it's good but in another be harsh to drop the players who would've played such a part getting us there.Though we do seem to go with a strong team from the start so they don't to often get a look in anyway which needs to change really.don't know if good enough if not given the chance to prove themselves in a first team game and for a few..not when they're off elsewhere all the time

[OhForAGreavsie 6,077]

In a way it's good but in another be harsh to drop the players who would've played such a part getting us there.Though we do seem to go with a strong team from the start so they don't to often get a look in anyway which needs to change really.don't know if good enough if not given the chance to prove themselves in a first team game and for a few..not when they're off elsewhere all the time

Obviously they must first do something that suggests they may be good enough. If, and only if, they are good enough then I think the best way for us to provide the right environment for youngsters to shine when given opportunities is to significantly strengthen the squad with senior players. I guess a lot of you will be ahead of me on this but just in case that statement sounds odd, let me say some more about what I mean.

For a club with our resources our squad is, and has been for a long time, woefully shallow in numbers and, particularly, in quality. As a result, our squad team is often a shambles. Youngsters thrown into that situation have no chance. Give a kid a good side to come into and he has a better platform to show what he can do. A stronger squad serves our purposes not only in pursuit of points, but in facilitating regular rotation to avoid player fatigue and in nursing youngsters through.