The Mourinho Thread

[daBlackMamba7 174]

What a bunch of rubbish! When did anyone even talked about Mourinho being fired?

Wenger is there for 10 years without winning and every single one of them there was heavy criticism towards his philosophy. Moyes is in his first year with United and look how much pressure he is on already. The same applies to other big clubs like Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, etc.

Jose is trying to play the victim here. I havent seen him taking much blame for what is currently happening with the team and I am not likeing it. It is the 3rd year fans are hearing the 'this is a transition period' excuse. Sorry, it aint cutting no more!

Everyone knew we needed a striker, everyone knew we needed a good duo for the pivot, everyone knew we needed better defenders, etc. However, what have we done to fix it? Oh yeah, we bought Willian and Schurrle and loaned out Lukaku!!!

I dont expect Jose to make us unbeatable or anything, but I do expect him to at least make us able to keep a clean sheet and perform well against pub teams. Right now, he is basically not doing anything. His work hasnt been very good so far...

Honestly i dont get why people act so ignorant or just straight try to play the, i dont know wtf is happening card....

What are Jose criticisms based on? An entire season? half a season? or because he is special and we are not spanking teams 6-0?...Are we in the 3rd year of Jose's transition?...Have we been actually able to have a real transition period? because our impatience...AVB wasnt here long enough for his "philosophy" to bear fruits, he was chopped and mid season we had to start from scratch, how many mangers have we had after that? I think 3, that means we have to start from scratch 3 times again, just between last season and this one...So yes brother we are still in transition and its actually starting to look like a real one, not those that by december we were already out of the title race..

Everyone know we needed a striker, we went out and got one for basically free, he is not great for us boo hoo, y'all would have been fine if he had cost like $50million, would they have been guarantee he would be great for our team now?.....Lukaku with all his talent, is delusional if he had expected assurances to be the No. 1 striker...I dont know why most people and not pissed at him for not willing to fight for his place, or would you have been happier if Ba was on loan at Arsenal and helping them challenge us for the title? most of all now that they have Ozil to supply him...

Those that say they cant see any difference, if you watched our games last year, when did we use to press high up the field and tried to recover possession and start attack asap during rafa?...Now watch our games and see how much we actually do and did that in the first half of yesterday's game...The players couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half and that has happened more than once, so yes i see things changing....I liked the first half yesterday and against stoke, we just need to to start transitioning into doing that for an entire game....

[daBlackMamba7 174]

Transition? I didn't know Transition involved insisting on playing a 35 year old rather than playing a youngster.

So transition involves playing a player who will retire soon rather than a player who is the future of the club?

As much pressure as David Moyes has been in he's still been encouraging their young talent, Adnan Januzaj.

Just read this post by Rmpr

Which youngster do we have that can pass the ball from the midfield and is PL ready? Baker?.....I know we got a youngster MVG, but it think its a know fact that he is injured....We have tried pretty much the other options there, Essien, Mikel, Rami....Also how many world class AM's does Man U have?...Do you Januzaj, will get a spot among our 6 AM's, you have to put things in context....Why did the same Moyes not do the same with Ross Barkley last season?

[Phil Driver 503]

Drogba should still be at Chelsea with Lukaku and it was not Jose who got rid of Drogba I doubt he would have , we could have had a scenario where Lukaku would have stayed and worked with Drogba and Jose ,instead of Torres who needed to know he was the main striker and Ba ,Eto'o.. So what benefit did Chelsea gain by moving Drogba on before his time was up? as he is by far a better player than the three we have .

Any failings and imbalances in the squad are down to the men who have been dictating transfer policy up to now and one of those is Emenalo ,Jose will have this all sorted out after next summer ,then will be the time to start judging him and it will be favourable.

[Fernando 6,585]

This thread does not make sense. This rant is coming when we are in second with chances of going top very soon?

Has not been the easiest season but one thing this club needs is to win a premier League even if it's winning ugly. We need to get that winning mentality especially after so many new younger players.

Now I agree with worries that we are not playing good, using any much youth and have not utilize mata to the best of its ability. These are things that worry me a bit as well.

But it's still early to make a big conclusion as we are only half way through the season.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Honestly i dont get why people act so ignorant or just straight try to play the, i dont know wtf is happening card....

What are Jose criticisms based on? An entire season? half a season? or because he is special and we are not spanking teams 6-0?...Are we in the 3rd year of Jose's transition?...Have we been actually able to have a real transition period? because our impatience...AVB wasnt here long enough for his "philosophy" to bear fruits, he was chopped and mid season we had to start from scratch, how many mangers have we had after that? I think 3, that means we have to start from scratch 3 times again, just between last season and this one...So yes brother we are still in transition and its actually starting to look like a real one, not those that by december we were already out of the title race..

Everyone know we needed a striker, we went out and got one for basically free, he is not great for us boo hoo, y'all would have been fine if he had cost like $50million, would they have been guarantee he would be great for our team now?.....Lukaku with all his talent, is delusional if he had expected assurances to be the No. 1 striker...I dont know why most people and not pissed at him for not willing to fight for his place, or would you have been happier if Ba was on loan at Arsenal and helping them challenge us for the title? most of all now that they have Ozil to supply him...

Those that say they cant see any difference, if you watched our games last year, when did we use to press high up the field and tried to recover possession and start attack asap during rafa?...Now watch our games and see how much we actually do and did that in the first half of yesterday's game...The players couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half and that has happened more than once, so yes i see things changing....I liked the first half yesterday and against stoke, we just need to to start transitioning into doing that for an entire game....

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[Barbara 15,149]

Honestly i dont get why people act so ignorant or just straight try to play the, i dont know wtf is happening card....

What are Jose criticisms based on? An entire season? half a season? or because he is special and we are not spanking teams 6-0?...Are we in the 3rd year of Jose's transition?...Have we been actually able to have a real transition period? because our impatience...AVB wasnt here long enough for his "philosophy" to bear fruits, he was chopped and mid season we had to start from scratch, how many mangers have we had after that? I think 3, that means we have to start from scratch 3 times again, just between last season and this one...So yes brother we are still in transition and its actually starting to look like a real one, not those that by december we were already out of the title race..

Everyone know we needed a striker, we went out and got one for basically free, he is not great for us boo hoo, y'all would have been fine if he had cost like $50million, would they have been guarantee he would be great for our team now?.....Lukaku with all his talent, is delusional if he had expected assurances to be the No. 1 striker...I dont know why most people and not pissed at him for not willing to fight for his place, or would you have been happier if Ba was on loan at Arsenal and helping them challenge us for the title? most of all now that they have Ozil to supply him...

Those that say they cant see any difference, if you watched our games last year, when did we use to press high up the field and tried to recover possession and start attack asap during rafa?...Now watch our games and see how much we actually do and did that in the first half of yesterday's game...The players couldn't keep it up in the 2nd half and that has happened more than once, so yes i see things changing....I liked the first half yesterday and against stoke, we just need to to start transitioning into doing that for an entire game....

I wish I was able to like a post more than once because this one certainly deserves it.

I'll add a few ideas though.

Everybody here remember October? The month we didn't lose and we scored 3-4 goals in most matches and we beat ManCity? We even beat Arsenal when they had more first team players than we did...

So if Mourinho was failing so much in creating whatever he's trying to (imo it seems to be a high pressing team, that attacks a lot, not necessary only in counters) then how did the team evolve so much from a shaky start into that?

And why we can't continue to replicate that? Did Mourinho decide during November that whatever he had working so well in October wasn't working anymore and did a 180 turn? Did he start sending a new message to the players? Or said players started oscillating damn frigging much, and stopped doing what they were doing until then, in addition to some of them losing form and facing minor injuries that led to even more rotation?

One might think we're in transition, where teams normally have ups and downs because players are inconstant in some cases because of age, in others because of their adaptation to the league, but also to settle down to the 203984th manager's tactics we had in the last 3 years.

Also I ~love how people say EPL title is ours to take because we have the best squad when 1) ManCity is said by most people here to have the best squad (I think we have more talented players, but they're more balanced imo) 2) the strongest teams without exception had tough games against the weakest sides and dropped points 3) people complain every single day how unbalanced our squad is. So how can we have the best squad if Mancity do or when we complain about how crappy our MD and ST positions are (which is true)? Am I the only one to think that's contradicting?

[Namika 922]

If Roman didn't sacked AVB, we would be a midtable team by now. No champions league, no José but with nice 1-2s and triangle.

[lionsden 4,689]

I don't believe in any of this "we are in transition" ideas being used to essentially blanket Mourinho with excuses if he does not win the title this season. We have been in "transition" for a good couple of years now, getting rid of some of the older players and replacing them with top quality players that are near the peak of their powers (Hazard, Ramires, Mata, Luiz etc.). Most of these players have settle in this squad and we have got enough depth (I admit it’s not in all area, but it’s still sufficient to last a season unlike last when we had a thin squad) to not worry about injury an crisis.

The simple fact is that this squad should be winning this title this year. Look at all the other teams season and it is clear to me that we are the only one that can be consistent if we are managed correctly. Yes we are a bit blunt with the strikers and central midfield, but Mourinho had a whole summer transfer window to buy these players, so it all lies at his door that we are weak in those departments and decided that he would rather pay £30 million for an attacking midfielder who is simply going to be used as a squad player, while having this deluded belief that players like Lampard can somehow be the backbone of the team. But even after all this, considering the inconsistencies of the other squads; we still should be able to win the title with some of the world class players we have got. Yet Mourinho is in two ways of what type of football we are wanting to play, trying to use flair players to constantly press defensively even though it damages their attacking abilities, and half the time is trying to convince fans that we are going to play attacking football while the other half is playing some messy counter attacking football that leaves us looking completely clueless. How can people say that Mourinho is trying to create an identity for us when after being in charged for 6 months still has no clue on what type of football we are playing? Probably the saddest thing about this is that players like Juan Mata, who are of exceptional class, able to influence games with one pass are being cast aside because of seemingly ego problems by Jose who decided that he would not like him because he does not fit exactly with his idea of everyone pressing even though there is serious doubt if this tactic even works while playing him out of form, never giving him the same chances as others who he plays out of favouritism (Lampard, Ivanovic) and never plays him in his best position, even when his favourite in the number 10 spot is not playing, he for some odd reason refuses to put him there and instead puts Willian or Schurrle there, even when it’s not as effective, like he won't do it because it would damage his pride.

This whole idea that were are in some sort of transition (which has been used for the last 2 seasons at least) and that Mourinho is developing a long term plan that will last for many years is absolutely nonsense. This man is the antithesis of long term management and stability. His whole career has been built around going to a club that already had a good squad, getting a huge transfer bank balance to buy expensive players, create a stock mentality, win some trophies, and then in two or three years’ time, as soon as signs of the train starting to derail, he quickly jumps to another and starts again. I had no belief that he would be here to stay for the long-term and I have seen no evidence that he is capable of doing this. But I have seen loads of evidence of the complete opposite. Nathan Ake, young talent with a promising future who got his breakthrough last season is cast aside to the reserves. Chalobah, another brilliant young talent who a wonderful loan spell last year is not given a chance but loaned out again, Lukaku - very bright talent who also had a great loan spell last year, is put down in the pecking order and goes on loan again while we recruit a 32 year old who is on the decline. While relying heavily on a 33 year old defender who has serious injury concerns that could come p any minute, and a 35 year old midfielder who in no way in hell is capable of being the backbone of the team but plays pretty much every game so far. We pay £30 million pounds for another attacking midfielder who we absolutely did not need and is essentially used like a squad player, yet the talented Kevin De Bruyne another for the future who could have easily be used in the position of Willian and was getting rave review in Germany has been cast aside and looks set to leave the club soon. How is this in anyway a transition? A transition would be offloading Lampard, Cole, Cech etc, using Terry much less frequently while promoting some youngsters into the first team to be bled with are other talented regulars, creating a strategy that unites their strengths - we have seen none of that. To me this will play like any reign of Jose's career time wise, 3 years at the maximum trying to win as many trophies as possible before something comes that makes him leave, whether we have any success is another question all together.

So no, I don't buy this transition idea or that Mourinho is trying to create a long term strategy that needs time. We have a squad that should win the title this season if managed correctly, of course as I have said he had plenty of opportunities to improve the squad, but considering that everyone else has been inconsistent and considering that most of the players that we bought the last few years have settle down with the squad, Mourinho has no excuse, we should win the title if the squad is managed correctly. And it seems to me he and some people here are using this "we are in transition" and "he is trying to create a long term identity" phrases in case we don't win the title this season as an excuse. When to me it’s obvious that Mourinho has no intention (or does not have the capabilities) of doing either of the two. By the grace of god we are second and a few points from the top, so he should be able to do this if he bucks up some of his ideas.

Wow post of the year without a doubt. covers everything in a nutshell. and it's no surprise it has only 3 likes since it's a critical evaluation of "gawd" mourinho.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Even if we win next week we won't be top, Liverpool will be. Unthinkable isn't it?

[bushman 2,043]

Even if we win next week we won't be top, Liverpool will be. Unthinkable isn't it?

Ok Chelsea scores 6 just like Citeh, then. Any help there ?

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Ok Chelsea scores 6 just like Citeh, then. Any help there ?

That would be some feast, the cunts getting battered 12 goals in 1 week

Shit don't think 6 is enough now, they just fucked Spurs again

[kellzfresh 7,229]

We needed mourinho back. For 3 years our players have forgotten how to STAY in a title race. Mental strength was at an all time low, we were always satisfied to get into the champions league spot like arsenal and left the manchester clubs dick ride us.

Nothing was more frustrating than that, even our good football cannot write off that stupid mentality

[bushman 2,043]

That would be some feast, the cunts getting battered 12 goals in 1 week

Shit don't think 6 is enough now, they just fucked Spurs again

If Chelsea were to score 6, Jose may buy a new baggy coat for Wenger, an early Christmas gift.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

LOL LIVERPOOL BATTERED THE SPUDS, there goes our chance of top this year. When was the last time we ended a BPL round on top of the table?

[haranr 485]

AVB is absolutely pathetic. There is no other word to describe that scumbag.

Who are Liverpool playing next week? And I believe we'll play well against Arsenal. Common Jose!

[Mouri_Matic 560]

AVB is absolutely pathetic. There is no other word to describe that scumbag.

Who are Liverpool playing next week? And I believe we'll play well against Arsenal. Common Jose!

Cardiff at home, 6-0 for me.

[haranr 485]

Cardiff at home, 6-0 for me.

Oh thanks.

Don't be so sure about the score. I actually think Cardiff can manage a point, they have a good manager but it will be very tough against "in-form" Liverpool.

[Namika 922]

Liverpool have to play City and us Away + Cardiff at home...

[NishC300 1,865]

Which youngster do we have that can pass the ball from the midfield and is PL ready? Baker?.....I know we got a youngster MVG, but it think its a know fact that he is injured....We have tried pretty much the other options there, Essien, Mikel, Rami....Also how many world class AM's does Man U have?...Do you Januzaj, will get a spot among our 6 AM's, you have to put things in context....Why did the same Moyes not do the same with Ross Barkley last season?

Alright just got my internet back today!

JMac? Chalobah? Would be nice to see them. Mate transition isn't bringing a 35 year old Lampard back into the team? How is transition bringing older players back?

[The Skipper 20,609]

I don't believe in any of this "we are in transition" ideas being used to essentially blanket Mourinho with excuses if he does not win the title this season. We have been in "transition" for a good couple of years now, getting rid of some of the older players and replacing them with top quality players that are near the peak of their powers (Hazard, Ramires, Mata, Luiz etc.). Most of these players have settle in this squad and we have got enough depth (I admit its not in all area, but its still sufficient to last a season unlike last when we had a thin squad) to not worry about injury an crisis.

The simple fact is that this squad should be winning this title this year. Look at all the other teams season and it is clear to me that we are the only one that can be consistent if we are managed correctly. Yes we are a bit blunt with the strikers and central midfield, but Mourinho had a whole summer transfer window to buy these players, so it all lies at his door that we are weak in those departments and decided that he would rather pay £30 million for an attacking midfielder who is simply going to be used as a squad player, while having this deluded belief that players like Lampard can somehow be the backbone of the team. But even after all this, considering the inconsistencies of the other squads; we still should be able to win the title with some of the world class players we have got. Yet Mourinho is in two ways of what type of football we are wanting to play, trying to use flair players to constantly press defensively even though it damages their attacking abilities, and half the time is trying to convince fans that we are going to play attacking football while the other half is playing some messy counter attacking football that leaves us looking completely clueless. How can people say that Mourinho is trying to create an identity for us when after being in charged for 6 months still has no clue on what type of football we are playing? Probably the saddest thing about this is that players like Juan Mata, who are of exceptional class, able to influence games with one pass are being cast aside because of seemingly ego problems by Jose who decided that he would not like him because he does not fit exactly with his idea of everyone pressing even though there is serious doubt if this tactic even works while playing him out of form, never giving him the same chances as others who he plays out of favouritism (Lampard, Ivanovic) and never plays him in his best position, even when his favourite in the number 10 spot is not playing, he for some odd reason refuses to put him there and instead puts Willian or Schurrle there, even when its not as effective, like he won't do it because it would damage his pride.

This whole idea that were are in some sort of transition (which has been used for the last 2 seasons at least) and that Mourinho is developing a long term plan that will last for many years is absolutely nonsense. This man is the antithesis of long term management and stability. His whole career has been built around going to a club that already had a good squad, getting a huge transfer bank balance to buy expensive players, create a stock mentality, win some trophies, and then in two or three years time, as soon as signs of the train starting to derail, he quickly jumps to another and starts again. I had no belief that he would be here to stay for the long-term and I have seen no evidence that he is capable of doing this. But I have seen loads of evidence of the complete opposite. Nathan Ake, young talent with a promising future who got his breakthrough last season is cast aside to the reserves. Chalobah, another brilliant young talent who a wonderful loan spell last year is not given a chance but loaned out again, Lukaku - very bright talent who also had a great loan spell last year, is put down in the pecking order and goes on loan again while we recruit a 32 year old who is on the decline. While relying heavily on a 33 year old defender who has serious injury concerns that could come p any minute, and a 35 year old midfielder who in no way in hell is capable of being the backbone of the team but plays pretty much every game so far. We pay £30 million pounds for another attacking midfielder who we absolutely did not need and is essentially used like a squad player, yet the talented Kevin De Bruyne another for the future who could have easily be used in the position of Willian and was getting rave review in Germany has been cast aside and looks set to leave the club soon. How is this in anyway a transition? A transition would be offloading Lampard, Cole, Cech etc, using Terry much less frequently while promoting some youngsters into the first team to be bled with are other talented regulars, creating a strategy that unites their strengths - we have seen none of that. To me this will play like any reign of Jose's career time wise, 3 years at the maximum trying to win as many trophies as possible before something comes that makes him leave, whether we have any success is another question all together.

So no, I don't buy this transition idea or that Mourinho is trying to create a long term strategy that needs time. We have a squad that should win the title this season if managed correctly, of course as I have said he had plenty of opportunities to improve the squad, but considering that everyone else has been inconsistent and considering that most of the players that we bought the last few years have settle down with the squad, Mourinho has no excuse, we should win the title if the squad is managed correctly. And it seems to me he and some people here are using this "we are in transition" and "he is trying to create a long term identity" phrases in case we don't win the title this season as an excuse. When to me its obvious that Mourinho has no intention (or does not have the capabilities) of doing either of the two. By the grace of god we are second and a few points from the top, so he should be able to do this if he bucks up some of his ideas.

Very rational and fair post. I agree with quite a few things.

I'm not in the "sack Mourinho" camp whatsoever, to me the credit goes to Jose for having us be two points off top even though we don't have a concrete playing style whatsoever.

I agree that we haven't played as well as we should've been but that is not my biggest concern. My biggest concern at this moment is our lack of identity - at the end of last season under Rafa you could see that we were moving in the right direction with Hazard, Mata and Luiz all starting to shine. One would've hoped that we would've improved on that but so far it seems as if we've been stagnated. The three mentioned above aren't performing like we know they can and one must wonder why Mourinho hasn't got them to hit top form yet.

Attacking wise we've been shocking for the majority of the season, still heavily relying on individual brilliance - there is no pattern in our play whatsoever and that isn't good enough. I have the patience to wait it out but there hasn't been any promising signs whatsoever. Our AMs should be lighting it up for us but so far, most of them have been marginalised creatively. Our AMs haven't really got a clue on what they're doing IMO.

Obviously as I said before, credit to Jose for getting us this many points without us hitting top gear but we really need to switch a gear up sooner rather than later. Everyone knows we can play a lot better than this. We certainly have the players to.