The Mourinho Thread

[Mustafa 885]

How is that a bad thing honestly? Please express what makes you question if he is "fucking retarded"..

We finished 6th in 2012 and barely finished 3rd last season...and you think he's crazy for trying to change the style of our play?

Excuse me for thinking were gonna get better without our best player !! Surely you can change the style and include Juan; the two are not mutually exclusive

[Steve 10,227]

Excuse me for thinking were gonna get better without our best player !! Surely you can change the style and include Juan; the two are not mutually exclusive

Defensively Juan is not great and everyone knows that and Jose benched the likes of Joe Cole who played a very similar style of play to Juan. Jose builds his attack on a defensive play also not just attacking. At the end of the day he knows what he is doing and he has never said he is going to freeze him out, he is just going to adjust the way the team plays and position players differently.

[Mustafa 885]

Defensively Juan is not great and everyone knows that and Jose benched the likes of Joe Cole who played a very similar style of play to Juan. Jose builds his attack on a defensive play also not just attacking. At the end of the day he knows what he is doing and he has never said he is going to freeze him out, he is just going to adjust the way the team plays and position players differently.

The first criteria a #10 should be judged on is not his defensive contribution; Just because Oscar offers more defensively,does not make up for the fact that Mata is leaps and bounds ahead of Oscar in terms of creative ability and overall as an offensive threat.... and isn't that what you come to expect of your #10 ? Isn't that what Ozil did at Madrid ?? Isn't that what made him the most creative CAM in the world ??

[Steve 10,227]

The first criteria a #10 should be judged on is not his defensive contribution; Just because Oscar offers more defensively,does not make up for the fact that Mata is leaps and bounds ahead of Oscar in terms of creative ability and overall as an offensive threat.... and isn't that what you come to expect of your #10 ? Isn't that what Ozil did at Madrid ?? Isn't that what made him the most creative CAM in the world ??

I'm not arguing where your logic is coming from. I understand the position and how it works. What I am is saying is Jose has always played like this. Ozil does actually track back and he is a tad taller then Juan so can still get up for headers and defend when needed. Juan does not have this in his game and I am not arguing how good he is going forward as he is one of my favourite players. I am just looking at it in the way Jose would be and the way he did with previous players.

[Mustafa 885]

I'm not arguing where your logic is coming from. I understand the position and how it works. What I am is saying is Jose has always played like this. Ozil does actually track back and he is a tad taller then Juan so can still get up for headers and defend when needed. Juan does not have this in his game and I am not arguing how good he is going forward as he is one of my favourite players. I am just looking at it in the way Jose would be and the way he did with previous players.

Well whatever he does, we need results and we need them fast !

[Steve 10,227]

Well whatever he does, we need results and we need them fast !

They will come, keep the faith!

[didierforever 7,349]

one of the worst mistakes he has made and believe me we are all going to regret it.

[FabHazard 655]

i dont know whether we will regret it or not....i think mata has that will power to come back strongly... at the moment jose atleast has a plan on what to do...i will give him 2 season's time

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Mourinho made a really bold statement saying he prefers oscar over mata. I know he admires the way brazil play, compact in the middle and deadly on the flanks with counter attacking style. But to do that he has to tell cole and ivanovic to step up their attacking game and lampard cannot provide the energy that brazil pivot (gustavo and paulinho) provide.

For his sake and oscars sake, we have to win fulham or it wont end well

[nono 791]

There are some things I'd like to say that will be obviously drowned by the continual bleating of the sheep on this site. Why I bother I don't know.

1. Our team had a beautiful thing going on with the Mazacar trio. Mourinho came and instantly fucked up the only part of the team that should have been left untouched. The concerns going into the season were to get a striker, a central midfielder, and a center back. Strangely, we added another creative midfielder and loaned maybe our best striker out. Willian is stupidity personified. The stupidity of our board that is.

People here keep on blaming Mata but look at things from his view point. Goes from winning the club's player of the year to becoming a bench player. What a fucking farce. I can imagine he is furious. Maybe Mourinho wanted to project an image of being in control and hence went on and engineered this fiasco.

2. Despite what is repeated almost 10 times in every page of this thread by the sheep, the current problems we are facing are not of one game, or two games, or three games etc. This is a team that has not competed in the league for 3 years now, despite having spent significant money and despite our rivals being so poor ! It is ridiculous when you think of it.

3. There is a disgusting trend at this club of paying lip service to all the real needs. In pre season we were told by our manager of his youth project bullshit. This is the standard perennial bullshit that the club feeds and it is gulped down every time. The season starts and Lampard is a mainstay despite being so poor. Our youth has it's regular spot on the bench.

4. I am tired of shit on a stick. We get dominated by teams with good midfields, as shown in the Bayern game. How can we hope to compete against Bayern and Barcelona etc if we keep on stacking the midfield with technically deficient players ? Furthermore, our manager keeps on saying that he wants a revolution of football style. However, actions mean more then empty words. Look at Mourinho's actions, where he is trying to put the shackles on our most creative footballer, and then try to rationalize this as you will with his rhetoric of improving style. Absurd is all I can say.

[xPetrCechx 13,569]

Pete Jenson (Dailymail):

"Chelsea spent three years building a team for Guardiola and then put Mourinho in charge. It's like turning a Ferrari into a tank."

[Cosmin 2,484]

Maybe this club is not meant to be a Ferrari. We won UCL and EL by being a tank. Maybe that's just the way it is.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

There are some things I'd like to say that will be obviously drowned by the continual bleating of the sheep on this site. Why I bother I don't know.

1. Our team had a beautiful thing going on with the Mazacar trio. Mourinho came and instantly fucked up the only part of the team that should have been left untouched. The concerns going into the season were to get a striker, a central midfielder, and a center back. Strangely, we added another creative midfielder and loaned maybe our best striker out. Willian is stupidity personified. The stupidity of our board that is.

People here keep on blaming Mata but look at things from his view point. Goes from winning the club's player of the year to becoming a bench player. What a fucking farce. I can imagine he is furious. Maybe Mourinho wanted to project an image of being in control and hence went on and engineered this fiasco.

2. Despite what is repeated almost 10 times in every page of this thread by the sheep, the current problems we are facing are not of one game, or two games, or three games etc. This is a team that has not competed in the league for 3 years now, despite having spent significant money and despite our rivals being so poor ! It is ridiculous when you think of it.

3. There is a disgusting trend at this club of paying lip service to all the real needs. In pre season we were told by our manager of his youth project bullshit. This is the standard perennial bullshit that the club feeds and it is gulped down every time. The season starts and Lampard is a mainstay despite being so poor. Our youth has it's regular spot on the bench.

4. I am tired of shit on a stick. We get dominated by teams with good midfields, as shown in the Bayern game. How can we hope to compete against Bayern and Barcelona etc if we keep on stacking the midfield with technically deficient players ? Furthermore, our manager keeps on saying that he wants a revolution of football style. However, actions mean more then empty words. Look at Mourinho's actions, where he is trying to put the shackles on our most creative footballer, and then try to rationalize this as you will with his rhetoric of improving style. Absurd is all I can say.

1. with mazacar we came third on the last day in the league 1 point ahead of arsenal, got knocked out of the group stages of champs league but won the europa league. It wasnt as perfect as you are making it out to be

2. Mourinho now wants us to compete for the league. As he is a veteran that has competed for every league he has played in, coming first or second, he sees his system as the better way than our past 2 years(6th place and 3rd place, 20 points behind the title)

3. Thats not fair on lampard's part, he did get an assist and has scored already this season. But over playing lampard will be a flaw from mourinho though

4. Yes we get dominated by good midfields for 3 years now. So mourinho's plan to fix it is to get more compact in the middle so that those midfielders wont have space. He's not shackling anybody lol, he wants more team effort than individual play. How is that bad??

I know you like benitez, but benitez played 4-4-1-1 with mata behind the striker and since they are 4 behind him, he doesnt need to defend and it suited mata perfectly.

But now mourinho plays 4-2-1-3, which means the AM will be closer to the pivot than the wingers. Mata must play to the coaches system, what do you want mourinho to do? play with benitez style because it suits mata more??

When mourinho was here, we were feared in europe. Nobody wanted to face us. But in the past 3 years we were never considered contenders for any big trophy, now mourinho wants us to be as dominant as we were before. Allow him time to do this before you kill him

[NishC300 1,865]

Great teams come back from adversity. Let's scrap all this we have a 'crisis' crap today!

[Cech's helmet 220]

Jose is seriously getting on my nerves right now. he always has these stupid dumb moments where he puts his arrogance ahead of the club.

Many people hated him in Madrid for benching Casillas, but he was right. Deigo Lopez is better than Casillas.

Now he's trying to do the same thing benching Mata for Oscar. the problem here is we had Hazard/Oscar/Mata working wonderfully for us. it was the only good thing about this team. we only needed a world class striker and a center midfielder to complete us. Jose basically destroyed the trio. spending 30m on an average player like Willian and an amateur like Schurrle for 17m.

We had KDB and Moses which were going to be our back up for the trio. now we're left with 6 players fighting for the same position, people may think this is a good thing, but this rotation crap is BS. we don't even have chemistry in this team anymore, there is no solid starting 11. players are only focusing on themselves now, there is no team anymore.

If it looks too good......... it's bad mate. We could have just splashed the cash for Falcao or Cavani and sold Torres while keeping Lukaku as no2. we could have gone for De Rossi or someone like Moutinho/fellaini in midfield.

Now we're left with our best player unhappy, a joke of striker in Torres and a 32 year old crooked Etoo who doesn't give a shit about this club. as for now, we cant attack and we cant defend. Aston Villa outplayed us, Bayern out played us, Hull outplayed us, United outplayed us.

The moment Jose dropped Mata was the moment where we started from zero again. can't believe a player who was going to be a legend in here is going to leave us while players like Schurrle and Willian are going to be playing instead of him because they can "track back" "defend" why the fuck should your most creative player track back? you stick your no10 and striker upfront while the wingers and center midfielders do that. Mata proved last year he was the best no10 in the game with his stats, and if the problem here is he thinks Oscar is a better no10, then hes fucking deluded.