The Mourinho Thread

[Ossie the King 634]

This isn't the 70s under Clough, or the 90s under Ferguson clubs don't operate like that anymore. It's laughable to think Mourinho, or any manager come to that is solely responsible for ins and outs nowadays.

A Mourinho player is, for me all about personality and desire. Look at the great sides he had here and at Inter and Porto and the top players who gave everything to win.

Not getting the ones he wanted in the Summer, the board or Abramovich getting rid of Cech...and then non-application from the remainder of the title winners for whatever reason brought out the Hitler in the bunker mentality.Hazard at Leicester, as an example, was the antithesis of what a Mourinho player is. Talent means little without application and hunger

And yet we're going to build a team around players like Hazard, players who rarely show any bottle.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

And yet we're going to build a team around players like Hazard, players who rarely show any bottle.

someone will quote you or/and me for "insulting" Hazard, remarking how his poor form is not because of himself but everyone else around him.

Oh and he carried the whole team of "losers" last season, we basically won the title only because of him, otherwise we wouldn't even have made top 4.

[lucio 5,418]

nice little vacancy back at madrid for him?

he can go there, win the CL this season

[Special Juan 27,429]

Rafa to be sacked according to some media today.

[Fernando 6,467]

Perfect they are made for each other.

 

[Fernando 6,467]

I kinda liked Rafa when he was here, there was some progress at the end of the season.

But oh well, too bad many people don't like him.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

7 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I kinda liked Rafa when he was here, there was some progress at the end of the season.

But oh well, too bad many people don't like him.

He should stay as far away from us as possible. 

[Ossie the King 634]

37 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

Rafa to be sacked according to some media today.

What's his missus said about that I wonder? 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

28 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I kinda liked Rafa when he was here, there was some progress at the end of the season.

But oh well, too bad many people don't like him.

Lool, I actually do feel sorry for him - to an extent. His failed media wars with SAF & Mourinho damaged him, rivals saw him as weak and naive. He's a knock-out competition manager, his track record proves that considering he's won both major European Cups, both with English teams as it happens!

But he's one of those guys you'll either get along with really well or you won't and that'll be very damaging esp for Rafa. Terry didn't want him at Chelsea (much like the fans) & he's reportedly having problems with James at Real. Towards the end of his Liverpool tenure it was said Gerrard & Torres weren't happy with him either.

[Ossie the King 634]

7 minutes ago, LDN Blue said:

Lool, I actually do feel sorry for him - to an extent. His failed media wars with SAF & Mourinho damaged him, rivals saw him as weak and naive. He's a knock-out competition manager, his track record proves that considering he's won both major European Cups, both with English teams as it happens!

But he's one of those guys you'll either get along with really well or you won't and that'll be very damaging esp for Rafa. Terry didn't want him at Chelsea (much like the fans) & he's reportedly having problems with James at Real. Towards the end of his Liverpool tenure it was said Gerrard & Torres weren't happy with him either.

Odds on him coming back here next December when we sack Brendan Rodgers?

If Mourinho isn't going to Madrid then there's really only one other job left for him, unless he plans to go in the summer.

[Rmpr 8,977]

40 minutes ago, Mana said:

Yeah, just heard about that (Rafa). Yikes. Only because RM are 4 points behind the top!

 

Also it's said that Zidane's the one to replace him, not Mourinho.

It has nothing to do with being 4 points behind. It has to do with ALL PLAYERS not wanting him, they even wrote a letter to Florentino asking for him to keep Carlo and he ignored it. Now, with voting taking place soon and the fans utterly upset with their president, this is Florentino admiting he fucked upbig time and he obviously dont want the voters unhappy (aka the members).

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Just now, Ossie the King said:

Odds on him coming back here next December when we sack Brendan Rodgers?

Right I don't feel that sorry for him

He was never going to get fan approval at Chelsea, certainly not openly. We can admit amongst ourselves he actually did a job when he got here, finished top 3 with some silverware to show for it, but he even knew how unforgiving SB crowd could be.

He did get a respectful goodbye though.

[Ossie the King 634]

1 minute ago, Rmpr said:

It has nothing to do with being 4 points behind. It has to do with ALL PLAYERS not wanting him, they even wrote a letter to Florentino asking for him to keep Carlo and he ignored it. Now, with voting taking place soon and the fans utterly upset with their president, this is Florentino admiting he fucked upbig time and he obviously dont want the voters unhappy (aka the members).

Although we can all laugh at Real Madrid, I do envy the fact that they elect presidents to their position. I'm not too au fait with the way it works but at least there's some accountability there. 

If only we had something similar. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I just can't see him going back to Real so soon with much of the players still there. I think those bridges are burned... 

[Adnane 1,101]

When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ?

Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. 

He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... 

Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league...

[LDN Blue 7,903]

6 minutes ago, Adnane said:

When will the "Rafa did well for us" myth stop ?

Chelsea was 3 points off the top when he came, in the run for winning the Club world cup and in the two english Cups as well. 

He finished 15 POINTS off the champions, that is a disgrace, even we, in this disastrous situation have only 19 points off Arsenal at the moment, I don't think people here realize how bad he coped with the Premier League... 

Won the Europa League, struggling against the likes of Rubin Kazan and needing an injury time winner against the likes of Sparta Prague... We really don't care, we had better objectives, which were mainly qualify for next season champion's league, but also challenge for the title, we lost FA Cup semis, Carling cup semis and CWC final while getting -12 points under him on the league...

Lol let's not be hypocrites mate.

That season was a disaster Rafa or no Rafa. At that time he was the only one who made that midfield of Oscar, Mata and Hazard actually work - Thank fuck we got rid of that terrible incorporated nickname they made up on here. Let's face it, under Di Matteo we were a sinking ship. Rafa somewhat stabilised it.

You can write off the EL win as much as you want, but we all celebrated it like it was any other trophy - In fact it was our second European Cup in as many years! The fact there's an argument on this forum that we should qualify for the EL and win it goes a long way to prove that. You can belittle the way we won too, but let's not forget how close we came to being battered by Bayern in 2012

I didn't like the bloke as much as anyone, but he did do 'well for us' imo..

[Adnane 1,101]

The debate for Europa League only stands today because of the opportunity of that winning it gives you, playing the Champions League. 

That wasn't the case at the time and I celebrated it madly as well, but we were playing really, really bad against teams like Prague and needing injury time winners at home to qualify, doesn't mean it's a "bad win", just means that we were really lucky and that Di Matteo would have probably won it as well. 

[LDN Blue 7,903]

6 minutes ago, Adnane said:

The debate for Europa League only stands today because of the opportunity of that winning it gives you, playing the Champions League. 

That wasn't the case at the time and I celebrated it madly as well, but we were playing really, really bad against teams like Prague and needing injury time winners at home to qualify, doesn't mean it's a "bad win", just means that we were really lucky and that Di Matteo would have probably won it as well. 

Yeah but if it was so easy why don't English clubs win it more consistently? It's one of the reasons I'm against us qualifying for the EL in the first place; long travels coupled with having to play on the Thursday without a Football Association unwilling to help such clubs is a hindrance. Trying to then balance the issues of qualifying for the CL with a top 4 finish was harder than it looked so credit where it's due. Rafa's instructions were to qualify in top 4 and win a trophy or 2.. Which he did.

Let's not forget personnel wise. Signed Demba Ba for £7m in Jan and made the decision to move Luiz from CB to CM & Ivanovic from RB to CB; those 2 moves in particular sparked us actually beginning to win games.

Like I said, I don't like the bloke and hope he never comes back to Chelsea. His campaign started awfully as well, loss to QPR iirc. But by the end he'd done what he came to do and really didn't damage us in any way.