The Mourinho Thread

[zolayes 14,489]

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Don't read it or just laugh at it @Henrique, @Killer, @Rmpr and others, it's just "a book without any valid points and full of weird arguments",

my time has come to an end, my last page on here, don't worry!

I'm fed up by this bullies, don't need that in my free time anymore.

About the game:

It was a very bad game, we didn't stand a chance in the first half. No shots on goal and no play whatsoever.

Second half was slightly better, some chances were there for the taking (for example Ivanovic or Remy) but it shouldn't happen.

Maybe Jose Mourinho's time at Chelsea will end within the next hours. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about that.

We were that bad, no fuckin' clue. Some people had been sacked for less. I expected a win, how wrong could i be?!

Au revoir:

What i can't stand is calling a member of "our" team cunt or worse, lack of respect and manners. But most of the members don't give a fuck.

Some members have fun taking sentences out of context and laughing at a very sad fellow Blue.

Schadenfreude is already on a new level, sky-high i might say, it's a big fun laughing other members down.

Best thing to do is writing an one-liner about how much you want some people out of the club. Put in as much disrespect as you can!

Some people don't want to have a discussion; if you don't comply, you missed the point, explaining it properly is just beneath their dignity.

I started to be more active in the summer, back then it seemed like a special place where some guys could share a beer. D.O.P.E

Well, that has changed over the last months, the atmosphere is getting more and more toxic, just nasty.

Thanks @stroey, @Johnny, @blue_fox, @Barbara, @stats, @CMS, @iceboy, @DYC, @Fulham_Broadway, @supporter for some good debates.

Wish you guys all the best for the future.

We had some good discussions, but this isn't okay. You're better than is. Take a look at Muzchap.

Didierforever is as aggressive as you are, at least he has manners.

In the future you can discredit our people as much as you like, i'm done, therefore quoting is useless.

Heartbroken and crying in the corner, but this decision is taken.

I should have done it some days ago, but after some nice messages i reconsidered. But it's hopeless.

Feel free to delete my account, @ModTeam.

Goodbye!

come back when we are in the top 4 or even top 6 and we can be happy together

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

Mourinho said that he made the players be better than they actually were, right? Now, that's not what I remember. I remember Matic coming last January and beasting it straight away. Playing like a true midfield general for. Costa came and was scoring goals like they were out of fashion. Fabregas making assists like no man's business. These 3 players did that when they came here freshly minted, but a few months under, guess who, JOSE MOURINHO, and all of a sudden, these same players are pub level. How does this add up if he made them all better than they actually were? It seems these guys rode off the novelty of being new players and brought that confidence with them. The fact they've failed to come anywhere near their initial, "new-signing" minted form speaks volumes of the manager.

Terry was already a good player, the thing is others where either too daft or had personal grudges there. Mourinho did the common sense thing and played him. Same with Azpilicueta and Ivanocic. Already good players. Hazard was phenomenal despite Jose and would even have been better last season if he didn't have to play left back in the big games. And don't get me started on Oscar whose development has completely stalled and has even regressed as a player in his 3 years, most under Mourinho!

Late, fuck it, I have to go sleep. Will continue this thing tomorrow evening, when I get back from what should be a busy day for me. Hopefully, the deed is done by then.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

Last pageDon't read it or just laugh at it @Henrique, @Killer, @Rmpr and others, it's just "a book without any valid points and full of weird arguments",my time has come to an end, my last page on here, don't worry!I'm fed up by this bullies, don't need that in my free time anymore.About the game:It was a very bad game, we didn't stand a chance in the first half. No shots on goal and no play whatsoever.Second half was slightly better, some chances were there for the taking (for example Ivanovic or Remy) but it shouldn't happen.Maybe Jose Mourinho's time at Chelsea will end within the next hours. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about that.We were that bad, no fuckin' clue. Some people had been sacked for less. I expected a win, how wrong could i be?!Au revoir:What i can't stand is calling a member of "our" team cunt or worse, lack of respect and manners. But most of the members don't give a fuck.Some members have fun taking sentences out of context and laughing at a very sad fellow Blue.Schadenfreude is already on a new level, sky-high i might say, it's a big fun laughing other members down.Best thing to do is writing an one-liner about how much you want some people out of the club. Put in as much disrespect as you can!Some people don't want to have a discussion; if you don't comply, you missed the point, explaining it properly is just beneath their dignity.I started to be more active in the summer, back then it seemed like a special place where some guys could share a beer. D.O.P.EWell, that has changed over the last months, the atmosphere is getting more and more toxic, just nasty.Thanks @stroey, @Johnny, @blue_fox, @Barbara, @stats, @CMS, @iceboy, @DYC, @Fulham_Broadway, @supporter for some good debates.Wish you guys all the best for the future. We had some good discussions, but this isn't okay. You're better than is. Take a look at Muzchap.Didierforever is as aggressive as you are, at least he has manners.In the future you can discredit our people as much as you like, i'm done, therefore quoting is useless.Heartbroken and crying in the corner, but this decision is taken.I should have done it some days ago, but after some nice messages i reconsidered. But it's hopeless.Feel free to delete my account, @ModTeam.Goodbye!

reference the use of abusive language towards players etc...there are other forums where that is frowned upon especially as the media read the forums to get stories.

Perhaps you are better off posting on those ones or staying here and just blocking the posters that use that language

[Pizy 19,378]

On the bright side, I suppose, is that we're winning the Champions League this season lads!

[Tomo 21,754]

Courtois, Terry, Pedro and err, Azpi/Hazard?

Costa

[Fernando 6,743]

I'm still behind José for a number of reasons.

His critics on here say he doesn't/can't coach offensive football. The first half of last season we were revered as an excellent attacking side so it's clear he can do it.

To me, it's clear from his post match interview that he expects a certain level of intensity and tactical nous that he feels his players aren't delivering on. I don't think many will disagree with that - we complain about it regularly.

He suggested tonight that perhaps he took the squad to the next level last season, winning us the league. I agree. How many of these players, even during the first half of last season, would force their way in to other top European clubs?

The players, in my opinion, don't look remotely interested.

The recruitment this season has been gash.

Finally, Mourinho has a proven history of winning whilst half of this squad look like passengers.

Given his comments tonight I would like to see him throw a few kids on going forward. If he really believes these guys aren't doing as they're told then it will do no harm to give the youth a go. They'd be full of enthusiasm, which sure, might not win games, but it would be a whole lot easier to swallow

Yeah but he's been saying he will play the kids for a long time and nothing.

About rlc and nothing.

He just a liar and until he proves it with actions I can't hope for anything good with this guy.

[Rhino's Skin 972]

On the bright side, I suppose, is that we're winning the Champions League this season lads!

thats the spirit.......shall we book flights to Milan now?

[nullabletype 987]

If their heads begin to drop you can't blame them. They've never been in this position before.

Why is this an excuse for the players but not Mourinho, who indeed, has never been in this position before?

[Pizy 19,378]

thats the spirit.......shall we book flights to Milan now?

It is written in the stars. Have bad PL season, proceed to win CL.

We'll bring Frank back in January and our new manager Brentan Rodgers will lead us to glory.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Not saying that it is but what if the job those managers did was simply never as bad as we are currently seeing under Mourinho in 15/16? Is that possible?

You know what, that may be the case. But even under Carlo, which was our worst period before this nightmare, we played some horrendous football, but still found ourselves travelling to OT with a chance to steal the title. Personally, i chalk that up to the spine of that team grinding out results even in the face of a poor managerial actions. Carlo just sent out the same XI week after week, month after month, no adjustments, but the players still maintained that standard (in the grand scheme of position on table).

[nullabletype 987]

Yeah but he's been saying he will play the kids for a long time and nothing.

About rlc and nothing.

He just a liar and until he proves it with actions I can't hope for anything good with this guy.

The thing is, I get why he doesn't. As Lampard said tonight, trying to blood your youth in a situation like this is far from ideal and perhaps not really the environment for these lads to be given their first proper taste of Premier League football. So I get that Mourinho might be hesitant to play them. But whilst I understand that, I also think that there isn't a great deal to lose given our current predicament given that we look likely to get rolled over every game. If he truly thinks his squad can't hack it, then I say just give the kids a go regardless of whether it's ideal or not. Could it really be that much worse?

[Pseudo 92]

I agree with what you've said in totality..

However, when a team of the stature of Chelsea goes through horrible stretches of form, these said players that cost us tens of millions of pounds and are on high wages, you can't just sit back and chalk up all of this season's trouble to tactics. Like yes, JM should be fired, not even trying to exonerate him. But there's a standard that has to be expected. How do tactics explain Costa/Fabregas/Hazard all showing up over-weight at the beginning of the season? Our previous teams, even when they went through tough periods always knew how grind out results in spite of the many managers that we've fired under the Roman era. Heck, at one point, the main leaders of the team purposefully got a manager fired and delivered a UCL trophy on the back of it.

Even as Rafa Benitez struggles mightily at Real Madrid, do you not expect them to still finish Top 3? Those players are good enough (and in our case, "should" be) good enough to still win games "on their own" so to speak. We've seen it happen in the past at Chelsea, unfortunately, this group of players can't overcome such impediments.

Overall, JM's failure as a manager has made this situation exponentially worse than it should have been under a competent manager. Even if we were going to struggle this season under. Struggling should have comprised of being 8/9th at worst, not being in a relegation battle, imo.

Why are you comparing us to Madrid? We don't have those type of players capable of making atrocious managers look good. That's something you will have to live with.

Why do people bring up the UCL win like we pulled a Greece 04 and played magnificent defensive football? We won because of Cech, luck and Drogba. That back four was breached multiple times in three games of football and it should have been a blow out. We were comprehensively outplayed from start to finish in.all those games.

We were very lucky. that's all.

[zolayes 14,489]

it used to be said that jose blamed officials ,, bad decisions bad luck .. to deflect blame from and protect the players .. NOW he is blaming the players ...... to deflect criticism from

who ,,,,?????

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Why are you comparing us to Madrid? We don't have those type of players capable of making atrocious managers look good. That's something you will have to live with.

Why do people bring up the UCL win like we pulled a Greece 04 and played magnificent defensive football? We won because of Cech, luck and Drogba. That back four was breached multiple times in three games of football and it should have been a blow out. We were comprehensively outplayed from start to finish in.all those games.

We were very lucky. that's all.

Agree to disagree on this one then pal..

Off to continue running through the 6 with my woes..

[Pseudo 92]

Why is this an excuse for the players but not Mourinho, who indeed, has never been in this position before?

We're in this position because of him. Don't act like these are circumstances beyond his control.

He had a world class Madrid side playing utter garbage in his last season and managed to lose the league to a Barcelona side with no manager and an aging midfield.

[nullabletype 987]

it used to be said that jose blamed officials ,, bad decisions bad luck .. to deflect blame from and protect the players .. NOW he is blaming the players ...... to deflect criticism from

who ,,,,?????

I'll bite...

Himself, and why not if he feels that his playing staff aren't pulling they're weight? I mean, they clearly aren't. Maybe he feels it has gone beyond the point of defending the indefensible?

Of course, you and many others will feel that José is the one who cannot be defended and myself and many others will disagree. Forums, eh?

I just see it like this, he is this clubs most successful manager. He has led an incredibly successful career up to this point. He delivered a further two trophies last season. Maybe he's lost it in a few months. Maybe he lost it a long time ago and this squad really are excellent and it's only now that Mourinho has lost them that they have dipped. I just feel that it's more likely that last season the squad were raised to Mourinho's level and that this season, they are in fact, closer to their true selves.

Just as a note, this isn't a new theory off the back of tonight's comments, Martin Samuel wrote a piece about it a number of weeks ago. I thought it was very good.

[Fernando 6,743]

The thing is, I get why he doesn't. As Lampard said tonight, trying to blood your youth in a situation like this is far from ideal and perhaps not really the environment for these lads to be given their first proper taste of Premier League football. So I get that Mourinho might be hesitant to play them. But whilst I understand that, I also think that there isn't a great deal to lose given our current predicament given that we look likely to get rolled over every game. If he truly thinks his squad can't hack it, then I say just give the kids a go regardless of whether it's ideal or not. Could it really be that much worse?

Well it's never the time with our club.

When Mourinho first came out was because it was his first season.

Then second season because we had to win.

Now third season because of the situation we are in.

There's always an excuse each season and I'm sick of it.

[Pseudo 92]

Says a lot when you could only name 3 players. Wouldn't even put Matic in that bracket because taking aside the "he's gotta do the job of two players" notion, his performances have been nowhere near the standard he set in the last 1 1/2 years.

That is true but the thing is, we're talking about experienced players here, players who have won things. The least you'll expect them to show, especially at the current moment, is competency but they aren't showing that.

I'll just quote what I said to Henrique...

What do you want me to do? name more? Ok I feel our entire back four has been doing their best despite no protection from the midfield and two aging players.

Cesc has finally been exposed because we've not been playing well offensively. Teams are braver when they attack us because we don't trouble them enough on the attacking end and the more they attack, the more likely Cesc defensive frailties are exposed.

Look the players are doing the best they can. I don't expect a work horses like Willian and Oscar to become offensive juggernauts overnight and save Mourinho's bacon. We don't have a Madrid side full of stars to make him look good.

[nullabletype 987]

Well it's never the time with our club.

When Mourinho first came out was because it was his first season.

Then second season because we had to win.

Now third season because of the situation we are in.

There's always an excuse each season and I'm sick of it.

In fairness though, those are three pretty good reasons.

That said, I still at this point he might as well try it despite everyting. Maybe the site of some young guys putting our experienced pros to shame might be the boot in the bollocks they really need.

I doubt it will happen though.

[robsblubot 3,595]

I'll bite...

Himself, and why not if he feels that his playing staff aren't pulling they're weight? I mean, they clearly aren't. Maybe he feels it has gone beyond the point of defending the indefensible?

Of course, you and many others will feel that José is the one who cannot be defended and myself and many others will disagree. Forums, eh?

I just see it like this, he is this clubs most successful manager. He has led an incredibly successful career up to this point. He delivered a further two trophies last season. Maybe he's lost it in a few months. Maybe he lost it a long time ago and this squad really are excellent and it's only now that Mourinho has lost them that they have dipped. I just feel that it's more likely that last season the squad were raised to Mourinho's level and that this season, they are in fact, closer to their true selves.

Just as a note, this isn't a new theory off the back of tonight's comments, Martin Samuel wrote a piece about it a number of weeks ago. I thought it was very good.

As a manager he holds responsibility in building this inadequate squad. The options or lack thereof is also his fault.

I agree that he's not the sole responsible, but he's the manager.