The Mourinho Thread

[cosmicway 1,333]

Oh look, the same people who claim we need stability in our management regime and that its embarrassing we sack our managers so quickly are out in force now claiming Mourinho is a nut job and because we drew our first game of the season, needs to be sacked.

Fuck me. Some Chelsea fans are a right bunch of whiny, self righteous, hypocrits.

You'll all be wanking over Mourinho again if he wins the league. Idiots.

Mourinho was left to his own devices.

If he too starts using the twitter, he gets the sack. before the fans even realize it.

The Eva incident was overblown and is the result of nervousness all over.

[cosmicway 1,333]

About the incident, alright Jose thinks no treatment is needed.

But did he even say that to the two medics, who would therefore be disobeying his order by walking in ?
No because he was fifteen meters away from them and looking the other way !
So in that interview -effectively- he says "those two should have been telepaths and they are n't".

[Styles 9,790]

Who is accusing Jose of being sexist? Other writers or reporters? Who or what is Martin Samuel responding to exactly?

I am personally accusing Mourinho of being an absolute dickhead which are two completely different things.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Herere's a question for you. Who is the head of Chelsea's medical department, the person ultimately responsible for player fitness, health, conditioning, etc? The answer, for the vast majority of fans, is why care or who cares. Hint: it's not Dr. Eva Carneiro. It's also not Neil Frazer, who felt Mourinho's wrath in 2005.

Here's another question. Who was the head of Chelsea's medical department from 2005 to 2011? The answer, in case you didn't know, is not Eva Carneiro. It's Bryan English. There were several others on his staff of course, including the likes of Glen Driscoll and Bruno Demichelis, but English was the head of the department, the man ultimately responsible and the man Mourinho once called Dr. Needles. He, along with most of his staff, either left with Carlo Ancelotti or were axed by the incoming Andre Villas-Boas.

The few who survived continued their work for the Chelsea medical team, now led by ... again not Eva Carneiro. AVB hired the well respected Paco Biosca away from Shakhtar, and the Spaniard has been in charge ever since. Villas-Boas did promote Dr. Carneiro, who had been with Chelsea since 2009, from the reserves to a first-team role that included sitting on the bench on matchdays to assist the head physio if any injuries occured. Because she is a woman, the football world took notice. For better (inspiration) or worse (rampant sexism), she's been the face of the Chelsea medical department in the media ever since. Her official title is first-team doctor and assistant medical director.

Or at least it was her title. It might still be, but things aren't exactly clear right now.

If you've been following the mainstream media, you will have no doubt seen the stories about Mourinho losing his cool with his medical team, shouting a string of (presumed) obscenities after them as they rushed onto the field to treat Eden Hazard in the dying moments of Saturday's match against Swansea City. If you haven't, here's a video of the post-match interview, inter-cut with the sideline antics (fast forward to 2min35s).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2TzscOY3c

Note that the supposed protagonist of the story, Dr. Carneiro, isn't even the first on the pitch. That would be Jon Fearn, head physio. He's been with Chelsea since 2010. And entering the field of play was undoubtedly not their call. They were waived on by either the referee or Cesar Azpilicueta or Eden Hazard himself -- I've seen the story told all three ways. Regardless, it was not their initiative, though I suppose they could've refused to do so after the referee gave permission, as Mourinho shockingly claimed they should've. Never mind that such a course of action would've gone against the entire purpose of having a doctor or a physio present on matchday.

Whatever prompted Mourinho's sideline tantrum and unreasonable post-match reaction -- be it frustration, anger, mind games, or a bit of each -- it was certainly surprising. The relationship between manager and medical team seemed to be excellent, despite the continuing issues with Diego Costa's hamstrings. Just the day before, Mourinho said he had complete trust in them.

"There is nobody to blame [for Costa's injury issues]. I can't blame the player because he works hard. I completely trust the medical department. I am calm, positive, and I believe he will be with us for many matches."

After the game, many were immediately reminded of Pep Guardiola's very public tiff with long-time Bayern doctor Hans-Wilhelm Müller-Wohlfahrt last season, one that eventually resulted in Müller-Wohlfahrt resigning his position (for the second time in his 38-year career, it should be noted). There's no doubt that the Chelsea medical team were equally unimpressed by Mourinho's public outburst, though only one of them deemed it wise enough to actually comment in public.

Unsurprisingly, it is Dr. Carneiro who now appears to have been punished most severely. According to most sources, Chelsea do not take kindly to even slight dissent like that -- obviously the same standards do not necessarily apply to the manager, but that's a discussion for another day. It would appear that Dr. Carneiro will no longer sit on the bench during matches (it's not clear who will take her spot), though she will otherwise continue in her role as first-team doctor. Jon Fearn and Dr. Biosca, neither of whom have commented in public or on social media, will continue in their current roles, with perhaps just a minor modification or two (again, not clear what those modifications may be).

Chelsea "do not comment on internal staffing matters", so the supposed changes are things that are understood and things that come from unnamed sources. Some of it is probably true. What isn't true of course is the Mourinho vs. Carneiro narrative that is being used to sell this story in the mainstream media, playing up the sexist angle and even suggesting that Mourinho should tread carefully and give her special treatment that he wouldn't necessarily give to doctors who happen to be male.

Mourinho lashed out at the medical team. He mentioned neither Chelsea support staff rushing onto the pitch by name, and there's no reason to think he unfairly judges either of them based on their gender. Rightly or wrongly, he was not happy with their work, and in that moment, felt it necessary to comment and react in public. That was probably not wise, and now we get to deal with the fallout.

That said, it's "just" the medical team, where the keyword is "team." We have maintained a strong reputation for fitness over the past several years, but equating that with the work of just one doctor (who isn't even the head of the department) is quite likely not correct. There's no doubt that Dr. Carneiro is excellent at her job. You have to be to get hired at Chelsea. And if all this results in her eventual departure — again, we hardly have access to all the behind-the-scenes facts and happenings — her replacement will most likely be as well.

Great piece from WAGNH.

[nullabletype 987]

Who is accusing Jose of being sexist? Other writers or reporters? Who or what is Martin Samuel responding to exactly?

I am personally accusing Mourinho of being an absolute dickhead which are two completely different things.

Well in actuality the sexism aspect is more a passing remark in the piece. The main bulk is addressing him being supposedly being a dickhead, did you read it?.

In truth, he probably didn't write the headline -- something he often points out in his articles. I just bolded it because it was the headline, but I might take it out.

[Fernando 6,743]

Wow still talking about a support staff?

You guys are truly bored, or just plain like the controversy....

[Unionjack 7,532]

Instead of all this palaver I dont know why we aren't on her case about not sorting out Costas dodgy leg. Now thats summet to get worked up about not this overblown rubbish.

[Jase 43,479]

Eden Hazard wasn’t injured. He was just knackered. He stayed down after a foul by Ashley Williams for that reason.

It is often why players go to ground late in the day — boxers will take an eight count for the same reason — and Mourinho, as a football professional, knew it. When he spoke of everyone on the bench needing to understand the game, it wasn’t a sexist dig at his female doctor, Eva Carneiro

That's really ignorant from Martin Samuel. Yes, players do go down late on in matches because they are knackered but just because that's the case most of the time, it doesn't mean players don't pick up injury from such situations. How can he, Mourinho or anyone else be sure that Hazard didn't get an injury, especially when he's the player who gets kicked most of the time? If Hazard had actually picked up an injury but wasn't treated at the time and something happened to him later, then what - we would be pointing fingers at others, no? It's just like I said yesterday, Mourinho wouldn't have made a fuss about this if we were winning the match when Hazard called for medical attention but because we weren't, he decided he needed something (or someone in this case) to divert the attention away from the result and performance.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Pretty little we can do except suck it and see.

In GR the supporters clubs (gate 7 - gate 13 - original gate) would have settled this in a matter of hours.

This is one instance of superiority of GR fans.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

Jon Fearn is also off the bench too.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Jon Fearn is also off the bench too.

Oh shit.

Now things are really bad.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Now after those who liked Eva in facebook.

[Iggy Doonican 4,187]

Mourinho has been here before. In 2005, the then club doctor Neil Frazer left Chelsea after he and Mourinho, in his first spell at the club, disagreed over an issue concerning Arjen Robben’s fitness. (From the Independent).

[Peace. 4,352]

Good, we do not need them anyway.. Mr Mourinho knows when a player is injured or not ; and he understands the Football — he can take care of the situation all by himself, we do not need physiotherapists.

[Polo7 3,496]

Good, we do not need them anyway.. Mr Mourinho knows when a player is injured or not ; and he understands the Football — he can take care of the situation all by himself, we do not need physiotherapists.

Yeah because Im sure they wont be replaced.....stupid post.

[Jase 43,479]

Eva Carneiro latest: Chelsea doctor who has been demoted by Jose Mourinho was summoned to the pitch by referee Michael Oliver

The Chelsea doctor Eva Carneiro, who has been stripped of her first team duties by Jose Mourinho, was twice beckoned onto the pitch on Saturday by referee Michael Oliver to treat Eden Hazard ahead of the incident which infuriated the Chelsea manager.

...footage shows that in the moments before the Chelsea medical team entered the field of play the referee Oliver twice turned to the bench after Hazard went down, following a challenge from Gylfi Sigurdsson, and signalled for the pair to come on. If Carneiro was to take her case further then Oliver’s intervention in the sequence of events would be a powerful piece of evidence on her behalf.

Under the General Medical Council good medical practice guidelines, Carneiro would have been obliged to enter the pitch when referee Oliver called her on – regardless of whether Mourinho wanted her to treat the player or not. Ignoring that request would put her in breach of one of the GMC’s first tenets under the “safety and quality” responsibilities.

Doctors are advised that they are obliged by the GMC to “take prompt action if you think that patient safety, dignity or comfort is being compromised”. As medical care providers, Carneiro and Fearn are required to put the principles of the GMC above the wishes of their employer.

[HRiver 1,512]

Watch him produce a masterstroke this weekend and silence all the critics.

[TheIceMan 596]

Watch him produce a masterstroke this weekend and silence all the CUNTS!

[MihaiM24 156]

I remember when Jose said the players need more protection.. he even wanted to make special shin pads for Hazard ffs and now he does this shit

[cosmicway 1,333]

Makes sense.

Can't walk in without the referee calling them. That means red cards all over the place.
Also the players don't do it if their team presses for a goal - unless it's for real.
Also if Jose had any objections -valid or otherwise- he was not even in a position to make them known to the two doctors ! Just look at the vid.

It more and more borders with the absurd and a total cancellation of all actions taken is due.