🇪🇸 Pedro Rodríguez

[robsblubot 3,595]

Pedro is playing slightly below his valuation as a player - pretty much like the rest of the squad.

hes just not that good.

we can't compete with the top teams by acquiring decent/good players like Pedro. 

In the end, perhaps we have to play mourinho style to be able to compete - bc we just don't have the players for that.

[TheIceMan 596]

Useless.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

On 23/01/2016 at 7:53 PM, Robguima said:

Pedro is playing slightly below his valuation as a player - pretty much like the rest of the squad.

hes just not that good.

we can't compete with the top teams by acquiring decent/good players like Pedro. 

In the end, perhaps we have to play mourinho style to be able to compete - bc we just don't have the players for that.

Completely agree, of course that is the situation. It is why Jose played as he did after the fleeting early exuberance of last season had worn off. The genius of a manager is a pragmatist. This collection of footballers can't win playing the fantasy football many here insist on seeing so he set them up in a way which gave them a chance. It's what he does.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

1 hour ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Completely agree, of course that is the situation. It is why Jose played as he did after the fleeting early exuberance of last season had worn off. The genius of a manager is a pragmatist. This collection of footballers can't win playing the fantasy football many here insist on seeing so he set them up in a way which gave them a chance. It's what he does.

But Mourinho shaped "this collection of footballers" the way it is now (played a very big part in it atleast). We had plenty of creative players when Mourinho arrived here. He could have focused on reshaping our defense, to fit a more attacking approach, instead he got rid of most of the creative players, stripped us down to the bare minimum of creative players and picked players that would suit a more pragmatic approach.

Mourinho picked a pragmatic system even though he had options to go a different way. He chose to go that direction, he wasn't forced into it.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

23 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

But Mourinho shaped "this collection of footballers" the way it is now (played a very big part in it atleast). We had plenty of creative players when Mourinho arrived here. He could have focused on reshaping our defense, to fit a more attacking approach, instead he got rid of most of the creative players, stripped us down to the bare minimum of creative players and picked players that would suit a more pragmatic approach.

Mourinho picked a pragmatic system even though he had options to go a different way. He chose to go that direction, he wasn't forced into it.

I agree that this is partly true and have always said that if people want to apportion blame to TSO then this is the area where it may be appropriate to do so.

That said he was not responsible (read to blame) for all of the recruitment. It's guesswork as to which players were signed at his request but I think there are big clues available. He spoke about some signings effusively, describing how he had sold the club to them during the process and giving reasons why he wanted that player. Compare the additions of Matic, Fabregas or Costa for example, with the silence accompanying many of the arrivals. Other people will have other guesses of course.

I disagree with you very strongly that  at any stage Jose had a squad which gave him a viable alternative way to play but I'm done to death with that argument. People who see it my way will still be arguing with people who see it your way 20 years from now and not one of us will shift our opinions at all.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I agree that this is partly true and have always said that if people want to apportion blame to TSO then this is the area where it may be appropriate to do so.

That said he was not responsible (read to blame) for all of the recruitment. It's only guess as to which players were signed at his request but I think there are big clues available. He spoke about some signings effusively, describing how he had sold the club to them during the process and giving reasons why he wanted that player. Compare the additions of Matic, Fabregas or Falcao for example, with the silence accompanying many of the arrivals. Other people will have other guesses of course.

I disagree with you very strongly that  at any stage Jose had a squad which gave him a viable alternative way to play but I'm done to death with that argument. People who see it my way will still be arguing with people who see it your way 20 years from now and not one of us will shift our opinions at all.

I agree with your last sentence so i'm just gonna respond to the middle section of your post.

Like you say both of us are just guessing as we don't know for sure. I believe Mourinho always had a big say in what players we bought.

Take Cuadrado for instance. Do i believe he was handpicked by Mourinho ? No, but i also don't believe Emenalo and the board made the decision to buy him on their own.

I think the club always tried to go after Mourinho's first choices but if they weren't available or too expensive then we offered him alternatives to pick from. 

That's atleast how i saw/see it.

[mccg 1,528]

Wouldnt be pissed if i saw him use the same door as Salah,Cuadrado etc went through,ffs when are we going to get someone to be good enough to challenge Hazard+Willian ?

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, mccg said:

Wouldnt be pissed if i saw him use the same door as Salah,Cuadrado etc went through,ffs when are we going to get someone to be good enough to challenge Hazard+Willian ?

The moment we get players similar to those two as opposed to getting players who are of different types and trying to turn them into Hazard/Willian 2.0.

[mccg 1,528]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

The moment we get players similar to those two as opposed to getting players who are of different types and trying to turn them into Hazard/Willian 2.0.

Yes i here you, but for his position i think he has been pretty poor tho many have been to be fair , still think barring his injuries Moses would done better etc

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, mccg said:

Yes i here you, but for his position i think he has been pretty poor tho many have been to be fair , still think barring his injuries Moses would done better etc

Yes admittedly, he has been poor and must do better but it doesn't help that we are not using his quality to its potential. In the glimpses that we have seen so far, we saw what we can do. But unfortunately, we're trying to turn him into a different kind of player.

[mccg 1,528]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yes admittedly, he has been poor and must do better but it doesn't help that we are not using his quality to its potential. In the glimpses that we have seen so far, we saw what we can do. But unfortunately, we're trying to turn him into a different kind of player.

Yes agree, just hope Gus maybe works that out like he did with Costa,Fab, and hopefully turns Hazard season and ours around!

[Stats 7,142]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10155146/is-pedro-in-danger-of-being-next-chelsea-winger-to-be-cut-loose

It is getting to a point now where so many wingers are struggling at us, I am starting to wonder is it down to the player or perhaps the system just does not get the best of our players.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

46 minutes ago, Stats said:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10155146/is-pedro-in-danger-of-being-next-chelsea-winger-to-be-cut-loose

It is getting to a point now where so many wingers are struggling at us, I am starting to wonder is it down to the player or perhaps the system just does not get the best of our players.

What system? Lol. We just have a sort of organised chaos where it's a case of 'go out there and just do it'. Pedro's used to a more tactically open approach, where everyone sort of know what they're doing. For some reason our player have to be retaught how to walk now before they can run. Pedro's a consequence of this stagnation we've gone through. I'm sure we'll have no problem cutting him lose, he was a panic buy anyway..

Lack of foresight

Wasting time, money, effort

Bought on name over logic 

No real surprises in this one then. Joins Salah, Cuadrado, Moses and Schurrle as the 'could have been' clan.

[Styles 9,790]

1 hour ago, Stats said:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10155146/is-pedro-in-danger-of-being-next-chelsea-winger-to-be-cut-loose

It is getting to a point now where so many wingers are struggling at us, I am starting to wonder is it down to the player or perhaps the system just does not get the best of our players.

Two things:

 

1) he was never that good in the first place

2) he joined a rubbish team with very little quality in it.

It's one thing playing alongside the Messi's, Iniesta's etc of this world and it's an entirely different thing joining the shit on a stick football world of Chelsea.

Pedro could leave / be sold tomorrow and I genuinely wouldn't care. That goes for several players in this team.

[Henrique 9,133]

On 28 de janeiro de 2016 at 0:06 PM, Jason said:

Yes admittedly, he has been poor and must do better but it doesn't help that we are not using his quality to its potential. In the glimpses that we have seen so far, we saw what we can do. But unfortunately, we're trying to turn him into a different kind of player.

All Pedro can do is get the ball and run without even Watching whats going on around, untill he does something pretty stupid. Its really embarrassing to imagine Tatá Martino used to play Pedro over Neymar.

[OhForAGreavsie 6,075]

Reading the thread it's clear that mine is not a common opinion, but I really like Pedro.

He is a purpose built tiki-taka player in a team that generally speaking couldn't play tiki-taka against a bunch of 16 year-olds. We all want to see dramatic improvements to the squad over the summer. If that happens Pedro will fit in rather better than he does now. I hope those improvements happen, and I hope Pedro stays.

I'm not suggesting that tiki-taka is Chelsea's future but a team with better possession players who can move the ball more quickly, and with greater accuracy, will take better advantage of what Pedro brings.

[Cech's helmet 220]

What does this guy even do

[lucio 5,418]

1 minute ago, Cech's helmet said:

What does this guy even do

run around like a rat and give the ball away

[Weckerz 3,781]

Just now, Cech's helmet said:

What does this guy even do

Pointless stepovers, running like a headless chicken and battling with Ivanovic for worst crosser award

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17 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

Reading the thread it's clear that mine is not a common opinion, but I really like Pedro.

He is a purpose built tiki-taka player in a team that generally speaking couldn't play tiki-taka against a bunch of 16 year-olds. We all want to see dramatic improvements to the squad over the summer. If that happens Pedro will fit in rather better than he does now. I hope those improvements happen, and I hope Pedro stays.

I'm not suggesting that tiki-taka is Chelsea's future but a team with better possession players who can move the ball more quickly, and with greater accuracy, will take better advantage of what Pedro brings.

I am of the opposite view.  I firmly believe that the Board will repeat the same pathetic fiasco of last summer by missing out on top quality players all in the name of FFP or whatever BS financial reason.  On top of that, our best players like Hazard and Costa will in all probability, be sold.  Hence, with a depleted squad worthy of a bottom half club and playing slow and turgid football, there is no place for Pedro.  He's better off in some other club where as you stated, plays fluid attacking football.