Post-season review - Chelsea 2013/14

[1chelsea 864]

Lets see what Mourinho thinks about it. He said Arsenal are failure specialist, Benitez was a loser because we end up in 3th last season.

Failure.

this expected from u and your supporters why not go for change and surprise us all. Well u lost your chance in doing that

[robsblubot 3,595]

For me, success does not necessarily demand silverware, depending on circumstance. The season isn't over yet, so say if we don't make CL next season, or even a 4th place, will be very very far from a "success." On the other hand, reaching a CL final-win or not- would definitely be considered a success by anyone with half a brain.

However, I must confess that I am jealous of the way Liverpool have been performing. And it's not just their striking force (Sturrige, irony not lost on me), but the way they try and keep the football, movement, even player rotation... They've lost their only proper holding mid (thought that would be the end of) and are still topping the league!

[1chelsea 864]

Now we never been talked about until the return of the king, we be hated by too many even some Chelsea fans who don't want Jose here, of which some are there in our mist, am so happy we our achievement in terms of fear factor and fighting at the top of the league not struggling to get 4th place. If not for shit striker who don't know where the post is this story or thread won't exist

Damn

"SUCCESS"

with a trophy or not

[Jase 43,479]

Arsenal 8 trophyless seasons. Thats why they are specialist. 8 seasons. This season is just one season.

You seem to be aware of that and yet you associate us/Mourinho with "specialist in failure" in that post earlier...

About the consistence, I dont think we are more consistent. Since december we dropped points to Villa, West Ham and Crystal Palace. Outplayed City at Etihad, just to play like shit days later against the same team.

Granted our results in the last 3 league games have been a bit dodgy but let's not forget before that we were on a 14-game unbeaten run. In those 14 games, we won 11 and drawn 3 where one of it came at the start in that 0-0 draw against Arsenal while another in 'one of those games' against West Ham. Frustrating as it is beating the top sides but not the smaller ones, we were never going to win all our games then and bound to drop points, one way or another. Some people would still like to moan either way anyway but 11 wins and 3 draws in 14 games is still a strong run, like it or not.

To put things into perspective on the 'consistency' point, the 14-game unbeaten run was our longest since 2007/08 under Avram Grant, when we went 21 games without defeat from mid-December till end of the season. Additionally within that 14 games, we won 5 games in a row (should have been 8 if it weren't for that ridiculous 0-0 draw with West Ham), which was our best winning run in the league since the back end of the 2010/11 season. Seeing us with the record of 'WWWWW DWWDW' is way better than the inconsistency of 'WWLWD WDLWL' or 'DLWWD DDLWL of the last two seasons especially, where a run of results like those were quite common.

[AndersonBLUE 819]

I'll come back to this thread at the end of the season, bit premature isn't it?

[Laylabelle 9,536]

If we still have Jose by the end be a success though saying that half way through the 2nd season seems to be the sacking point....

Neither a success or a failure seeing as it aint over yet...seeing as last we werent sure if we'd make top 4..success on that part.More frustrating then anything I guess....aint over yet..be surprised if we do win it...loose that win the CL instead that be funky...hey ho team to build on

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Great post, I agree with most. But what would it say about our season if Liverpool will win the title?

They finished 7th last season, they spend much less money and have a lesser squad. I think it won't look good for us and for City if Liverpool wins it. It would look like we failed to create that gap between teams that spend so much, and a team that doesn't. A lot of credit goes to Liverpool and what they did, but still.

Liverpool are having an absolute freak of a season. Based entirely on their attacking success. And fair play to them.

[Henrique 9,133]

We've been more competitive than we have been in YEARS so it's a success. We still have issues but compared to recent years we're comfortably better so that's an improvement.

Improvement doesnt mean succes.

[couris 232]

Failure. To much money invested for a failed offensive display.

[mannyfreshh 164]

I have a feeling were gonna win the PL.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

So apparently some people think it is a failure because there is now silverware. Though I respect that but it just doesn't make much sense to me. Every team or goes through a life cycle with different phases. They develop and rise, reach their maturity and stability stage, then they decline. Everything in life has a cycle. I believe that in every phase, expectations are different, hence the targets to be achieved. So to fairly judge this season and say whether it is a success or failure, one must know which phase Chelsea is in and what is expected in that phase.

Objectively speaking we are not at our peak nor our trough. Jugding on the past 2 seasons, I can say confidently we are doing better this year. So we are definitely in a rising phase ( call it recovery, transitional or anything else). We have a new manager, with a new system, and new young players. We are still going to buy new players by summer. Base on that I can say we are at the early stages of a rising phase.

In such a phase, who really expects a team to win one more championships. Certainly not Mourinho or the board. Mourinho said that many times. And though he is not a GOD like some people make him seem to be and he makes mistakes and gets it wrong, but he is still one of the very best managers out there and has proved that many times. If a team in such an early stage wins a trophy, it will basically be a bonus. Next year I expect the board and Mourinho to set different objectives for the team. I doubt it will be winning more than one title, but I can guarantee that the objectives would be higher than this season's.

Only when a team reaches high levels of cohesion and maturity, you would expect them to continuously win titles and silverware. If Manchester City does not win more than one trophy, it is failure. They have been building a team and heavily investing for a while now. Arsenal is just a total failure. No stable competitive team since the days of Henry, Berkamp, ljundberg, Pires, Overmars and others. If Manchester United does not manage to qualify to UCL it is a failure. Yes they are in a transitional phase, but they have the same set of developed mature players who won last season's EPL. If they don't qualify then they are definitely in a decline stage and they need to make some major changes to start recovering. If we were in the same position as United, then definitely we can argue that we have failed.

I have a question for the people who think that we should win trophies this year. One what basis did you come to that conclusion? Is it on the basis that we have a JUST had one of the top managers this year? Or is it on the basis of the set of players we have who are young and still inconsistent? Or is it on the basis that we FAILED last year to do anything in the UCL, played against much lower teams in Europa and won it and BARELY qualified for this year's UCL? Don't get me wrong, I want us to still win the UCL and EPL this year, but if we don't I would hardly think of it as a failure.

[Barbara 15,149]

The thing is success is a very subjective concept.

I'll give a brief personal example. I used to work in a worldwide coorporation, with a lot of responsibility and recognition. I wasn't as political as the job demanded, but that could be easily fixed and the promising career I had there could still take me very far. The wages were good and I had some power - designed every process in the Canadian branch (the whole company in the country) and whatsnot, worked with more than ten different countries, controlling process on them. Got recognized by many big shots in the company, collected a few awards - some worldwide worth - and a few other things. Success for a 26yo woman that wasn't even majored on business administration, right? No.

I'd rather work much less even if meant have less money and do something I was passionate about, as well as having time, health and a stress-free life to enjoy whatever money would afford me. At age 29 I said enough is enough, vowed myself to never work in a coorporation again and started another major in early age education. Now I teach 15 four year-old - in a Canadian school nonetheless - and I have overprotective moms questioning every decision I make about their little precious spoiled-rotten children. I finally found the success I craved. It's long term for me because my life quality, my happiness, feeling accomplished and trying to do something for each of those little ones that will spend some months with it pays it all off.

Another person will read this post and thing I'm pathetic, stupid, silly, or someone who just lacks ambition. That's nothing wrong with their assessmemt, again, success is a subjective matter.

On that note and about this club and this season, I don't really judge our success on the trophies we may raise or not. We sort of accidently raised the last three trophies we won (maybe except the FA Cup). We were the underdogs, the team who's played ugly, the dark horse. While it doesn't take the credit away from our honours then, it takes away the enjoyment. The excitment of beating Barcelona and then Bayern of course made up for the pragmatic, defensive, coward approach we had back then. But shouldn't my team give me 'the feels' whether it loses or wins? We played boring, predictable, limited, high-risky (in the bad way) kind of football that made me nervous, but I rarely found myself being entertained by the football we showed. A balance is the ideal situation and I think that's where we're going. We might not immediately be (but I believe in the future we will be because that's clearly Roman's objective) as entertaning as Barcelona and Bayern - and even Real Madrid - in their best days in the past five years, but that's the goal and Mourinho proved with his Real Madrid side that he can provide that - even though some moaners love to talk about what they don't know and say otherwise. That team was exciting to watch, but it had weaknesses, just like Barcelona - who lost to us - and Bayern - who also lost to us - had and still have.

So when I look at the progress in Hazard and Oscar (the Brazilian suffers a lot with the winter, but spring is coming and he might blossom again, pun intended) both technically as well as tactically; the recover process that made Terry one of the best - if not the best - English CB in activity, Cahill's progress, Azpilicueta rising, defensive stability, bringing Matic and eating our pride for letting him go, fixing 80% of our midfield issues. And with the exception of Terry - who's older than the others - those guys are very young and their best days are definitely yet to come (not sure about Cahill, but I'm sure he can progress some more). BBC commentators said during the Arsenal massacre that teams should be warned because that was Chelsea in transition. That's the message sent regardless of trophies or not. That's the Chelsea under development, what should they expect of a Chelsea a few steps ahead in the process next season? If now it's a Chelsea that face any top team in the world equally, a team that nobody wants to draw or to play, a team that made the Bridge a fortitude again, so that teams crumble even before they step foot in that pitch because they know that's OUR domain, we rule it, what will this Chelsea be come next season? How come can that not be a success? They look at the man at our dugout and they know they're fucked because he's got the tactics that will kill them and they know we'll be much stronger.

Do we still have deficiencies that should be addressed both technically and tactically? Of course we do, but this team is way too young from the pivot on and we have almost literally no striker at all. Eto'o is old, but also has a great responsibility imo for us fighting to be where we are now. We need to add quality in some positions, but I think as needed as that, we need to mold the young talents we already have. Hazard, Oscar, Schurrle, Salah, Willian need to mature and grow a winning spirit and a fighter character. They just couldn't handle the pressure, they couldn't separate in their minds the EPL from the UCL in the weekend matches prior to playing in Europe. They're still young and I'm not sure all of them will prove that they can become real champions, the kind of guys that have ambition running in their veins. I hope all of them succeed here with that because they'll need it. Mourinho doesn't tolerate weak characters in his team, unless they have very marginal roles.

But still I look at what this season showed, and I look at our rivals, at their fans and I see fear. I like the feeling of my team being feared and not only respected. Even some of the respect we've earned had been lost in the last few years. It's been earned back and if we'll be lucky enough to have all of this crowned with a trophy, all that much better although it may be yet soon to say (I don't think we have more than 20% chances of winning either title). But even if we don't, it doesn't erase this. The feeling is there, the message has beens sent.

I hate using the expression glory hunter, but if the only expectation and the only acceptable thing from the club you support is trophies, then I can't think of another title... unless the club has built a team that reaches the levels or those other clubs aforementioned. But isn't that exactly what we're trying to build here? Or does anyone think Barcelona and Bayern were built in a season? Or that a team like Real Madrid has the effect they have because of a couple of trophies? We've won all trophies that were there to be won. we've conquered it all, now it's time we dominate, but for domination to come, you have to build... and that's what we've done this season and don't fool yourselves, there's more to be built and I think the team won't be at the top of its abilities and productions for another couple of years, but I do believe we'll enter next season as clean favorites to win whatever competition we enter. If that's not success, I don't know what is, no matter how subjective the concept may be.

[The Rising Sun 711]

This season has been a Success in certain areas, while being a failure as well....

Defensive Play - Success

Our team works as a unit defensively now, and breaking us down, and getting through on goal is not as easy as it had become at times in the past few seasons.

Offensive Play - Failure (subjective)

IMO, our offensive performances over the season have not been great, apart from a few great performances.

The results have largely been down to individual performances.

Yes, we dont have a striker, and that sucks, but we dont have pace in our game , the way other teams like liverpool and city do, and that is extremely disappointing, with the players we have.

Someone here had stated that all our team ethic is all towards defensive responsibilities first, and while that is not a bad thing, we really need to add pace to our game.

Currently we only have pace on counter attacks, but on average gameplay, it is still a bit laboured and when we come up against teams which sit back and are tough to break down, we falter.

Mourinho recently said that it is down to player personalities in such situations, but in this case, apart from Torres, i dont think it was down to that, rather, it was just the way we are set up as a team. We emphasize defensive discipline and counter attack, but over the course of the game , we are not pacy enough or wide enough to cause mayhem and break opposition team plans.

Player progression - Success

Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Shurlle , Azpi, Terry, Cahill, Luiz... ..Nuff Said!!

Mourinho has really improved these guys and taken them to a level up. Good on him.

Overall Season Review - Success

Overall, there has been enough progress to feel we are on the correct path.

However, i hope we set up more offensively next season, with more pace and width next season.

I want our football to be more exciting.

This season was exciting, in terms of results and sticking close to the top of the table, but next season should be exciting, not only because of results, but also gameplay.

I want us to be exciting the way Liverpool are this season, and it is possible.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

What's funny is how people would have reacted to this if we had a different manager.

If last summer, after all the hype and speculation that Jose would be appointed after Rafa left we did not get him and (to a lot of people's disappointment) we hired someone else, and he had the exact same squad and and did the exact same transfers (the purchase of Matic and the selling of Mata ,which would have caused massive discontent and anger over this other manager because he was not Jose) andgot the exact same results and (hypothetically if it goes as many predict) that we win nothing this season. I guarantee that many here would be on this other manager's back with angry comments and would make the comment on the lines of "If we had Mourinho instead of (insert manager that we were linked with before Mourinho was appointed)he would have defiantly won the league for us" and would call this season a failure. which shows just how desperate some people are to move the goal posts when it comes to this man.

[The only place to be 11,313]

What's funny is how people would have reacted to this if we had a different manager.

If last summer, after all the hype and speculation that Jose would be appointed after Rafa left we did not get him and (to a lot of people's disappointment) we hired someone else, and he had the exact same squad and and did the exact same transfers (the purchase of Matic and the selling of Mata ,which would have caused massive discontent and anger over this other manager because he was not Jose) andgot the exact same results and (hypothetically if it goes as many predict) that we win nothing this season. I guarantee that many here would be on this other manager's back with angry comments and would make the comment on the lines of "If we had Mourinho instead of (insert manager that we were linked with before Mourinho was appointed)he would have defiantly won the league for us" and would call this season a failure. which shows just how desperate some people are to move the goal posts when it comes to this man.

It also shows how desperately out of touch you are with the vast majority of Chelsea supporters.

The fact that you can't take the same type of joy in supporting Chelsea as everyone else seems to be able to makes me pity you. And Henrique.

[Mohammed Seif 1,451]

It also shows how desperately out of touch you are with the vast majority of Chelsea supporters.

The fact that you can't take the same type of joy in supporting Chelsea as everyone else seems to be able to makes me pity you. And Henrique.

I think it would be interesting if we have also a voting on this topic.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

It also shows how desperately out of touch you are with the vast majority of Chelsea supporters.

The fact that you can't take the same type of joy in supporting Chelsea as everyone else seems to be able to makes me pity you. And Henrique.

And forgive me when it comes to having different expectations based on what my view are and from all the hype that this forum produces, especially what people were saying during the last summer andmy expectations wss that thisseason we should bewinning the league based on what Iexpected from the summer. The fact that you put one man above the club and cant seem to hold your own opinion for five minutes before jumping ship makes me pity you.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And forgive me when it comes to having different expectations based on what my view are and from all the hype that this forum produces, especially what people were saying during the last summer andmy expectations wss that thisseason we should bewinning the league based on what Iexpected from the summer. The fact that you put one man above the club and cant seem to hold your own opinion for five minutes before jumping ship makes me pity you.

I don't put one man above the club, but I recognise that for this club to have stability that we need to ignore the cunts and support the guy who most of us like and believe is doing a good job.

We have one of the best managers in world football, a guy who has re-instilled a sense of fear in the Bridge and pride in the team after the shit we went through last year. The atmosphere is completely different at the Bridge and that for me is a massive success. If you don't understand that then you might as well throw on a City shirt in all honesty because you're ignorant of the joy of supporting a football club.

People like you and Henrique just like to bitch and moan. Enjoy your pint.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

I don't put one man above the club, but I recognise that for this club to have stability that we need to ignore the cunts and support the guy who most of us like and believe is doing a good job.

We have one of the best managers in world football, a guy who has re-instilled a sense of fear in the Bridge and pride in the team after the shit we went through last year. The atmosphere is completely different at the Bridge and that for me is a massive success. If you don't understand that then you might as well throw on a City shirt in all honesty because you're ignorant of the joy of supporting a football club.

People like you and Henrique just like to bitch and moan. Enjoy your pint.

And how long will that last, considering that to me there is nothing there that indicates that he has changed his method of mangement and is still acting on short term ideas. Just becuase he haspayed hefty prices for the likes of Salah and Matic means nothing. Even in his first spell we were paying large sums for young players (£18 million for an 18year old Mikel, £21 million for a 24 year older Shaun Wright Phillips, £25 million for a 23 year old Essien), and so far he has done what he has always done, gone to a good team with great players and pay large sums of money for other ready made players, so forgive me that I don't beleive in any of these ideas that Jose is here for the long term and that we are in some transition year (we've been in one for the last bloody 2-3 years),and that I feel that he should be winning trophies now before he is probably gone in 2-3 years due to whatever reason.

It will be interesting if he does leave in 2-3 years what he reaction will be, although judging by your tack record you will probably jumpship again and decide that actually we should get another manager.

[The only place to be 11,313]

And how long will that last, considering that to me there is nothing there that indicates that he has changed his method of mangement and is still acting on short term ideas. Just becuase he haspayed hefty prices for the likes of Salah and Matic means nothing. Even in his first spell we were paying large sums for young players (£18 million for an 18year old Mikel, £21 million for a 24 year older Shaun Wright Phillips, £25 million for a 23 year old Essien), and so far he has done what he has always done, gone to a good team with great players and pay large sums of money for other ready made players, so forgive me that I don't beleive in any of these ideas that Jose is here for the long term and that we are in some transition year (we've been in one for the last bloody 2-3 years),and that I feel that he should be winning trophies now before he is probably gone in 2-3 years due to whatever reason.

It will be interesting if he does leave in 2-3 years what he reaction will be, although judging by your tack record you will probably jumpship again and decide that actually we should get another manager.

Aw diddums....did you get hurt before and now you find it hard to love again??

What we have for the first time in years (yes, those other 'transitions' didn't work and we ended up with a squad composed of players bought for different tactics) is a solid foundation based on a clear idea of how we want to play football, not just in the first team but at age-group level as well. We have something approaching a spine in the team, something we haven't had for about 4 years. We have clear areas we need to improve on but that wasn't going to happen overnight.

You seem to want instant success when that simply wasn't going to be a given. You talk about Jose's past success yet seem completely ignorant of it. When he arrived here we were already a very good team and he took us to that next level - we weren't a very good team when he arrived this time. He's had to build a team who can defend better and he's improved the young talent we have here and yet people like you (and there are but a handful of you, although the sanctimonious prickishness makes you seem greater in number) still have the temerity to bellyache because he didn't win immediately.

You castigate him for being short-termist yet you seem to care only about the short-term. You're hypocrites and you're representative of everything that was going wrong at this club just a few years ago. EVERYTHING about this club is focused on the long-term now from the way we handle our finances to the acquisition and development of young talent. If you can't trust the club to have hired a coach who actually believes what he says about wanting to be here for the long-term then fine. Enjoy.