Rumoured John Stones

[Special Juan 27,429]

He doesn't need to go full-Sterling but he could/should at least try to force the issue a little more - like get his agent to cause some fuss in the media.

It might now come to that, things are really heating up as we approach the closure of the window. Stones has nailed the process here, I really respect him for that.

[Stats 7,056]

Giving Stones the type of money we would offer would only fuck over Everton's entire wage structure, not to mention piss off a lot of players at the club. Imagine how Jagelka or Baines would feel? Some kid earning more than them just because we were sniffing around him? I'm sure Barkley or Lukaku wouldn't like it either.

If they were to offer him any less, I'm not sure he would sign it. It also depends on his performance in the next few months. I can either see him playing worse and signing a contract as a safety net or playing good and not signing a contract to show he still wants to go to a higher level.

Even now, Lukaku earns near triple Stones wages and Barkley is around £60-70k p/w. When Stones signed that contract he was not a key player for them. He was still behind Distin IIRC so if he does sign a new contract he probably will get double and still will not earn more than Barkley and Lukaku and the majority of their first team tbh who are on more than him.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

It might now come to that, things are really heating up as we approach the closure of the window. Stones has nailed the process here, I really respect him for that.

Doubt it, he apparently cried yesterday after being abused by Everton fans. Don't think he got the balls to do what Sterling did.

[Mechromancer 262]

Doubt it, he apparently cried yesterday after being abused by Everton fans. Don't think he got the balls to do what Sterling did.

Wow! Source?

[Jase 43,479]

It might now come to that, things are really heating up as we approach the closure of the window. Stones has nailed the process here, I really respect him for that.

Same here but if Everton do not respect his wishes, even after making it clear he wants to leave, then I don't see why he should do the same.

[RhesusReus 219]

Last year i mean.

He's not done enough. If he really wanted to move he could do what Modric did and refuse to report to training.

Modric had all the power. He was a world class CM at the heart of Spurs team. They would have suffered massively if he sat out and they didnt have the money to replace him.

Everton dont need Stones as much as he need them. Hes 21. Not 29. He'll get plenty of chance to get his big move. Right now he needs game time to develop.

It'll be nice for him to go to a bigger club, but its not really priority. Heck, he hasn't even made into the international side properly.

[MrBlueGuy 1,552]

Wow! Source?

No official video of him crying but it has been going around on twitter, there is a video of him being abused as he walks off the pitch though.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

That ends the fantasy of wanting an English centerback to play for us in the future. Just play a backline of

Azpi - Zouma - Terry - baba

and we could cope with this setback. But ivanovic has to be sacrificed now that we can't get stones to cover for him.

A mobile technical midfielder for the big games is what we don't have.

[Special Juan 27,429]

Doubt it, he apparently cried yesterday after being abused by Everton fans. Don't think he got the balls to do what Sterling did.

I would love to see video footage of this considering it comes from fans who chanted his name and then called him a fucking rat.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

Wow! Source?

It was a tweet by an Everton fan who claimed to have been present. The comment was re-tweeted on the Chelsea Transfer Gossip feed which is where I read it. Obviously I've no idea whether the crying bit is meant to be literal or just a jibe at Stones. No idea even if there's any truth to it at all.

[RhesusReus 219]

No official video of him crying but it has been going around on twitter, there is a video of him being abused as he walks off the pitch though.

Just like Jose crying when United hired Moyes. Right?

All BS. People believe anything.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,892]

That ends the fantasy of wanting an English centerback to play for us in the future. Just play a backline of

Azpi - Zouma - Terry - baba

and we could cope with this setback. But ivanovic has to be sacrificed now that we can't get stones to cover for him.

A mobile technical midfielder for the big games is what we don't have.

The midfielder you describe and a starting quality CM are both higher priorities than a CB.

[iseah100 5,612]

Modric had all the power. He was a world class CM at the heart of Spurs team. They would have suffered massively if he sat out and they didnt have the money to replace him.

Everton dont need Stones as much as he need them. Hes 21. Not 29. He'll get plenty of chance to get his big move. Right now he needs game time to develop.

It'll be nice for him to go to a bigger club, but its not really priority. Heck, he hasn't even made into the international side properly.

Possibly. But Stones now has Chelsea. He doesn't need to wait anymore, his big chance is here. Like Jason said, he needs to do more. Get an agent to make some noise, or someone.

[supporter 3,088]

So, exist a type of a tacit agreement with the player? Other clubs just need pay the same amount of the release clause, but they never do that? Interesting, because, i remember read something different in RC about the Ander transfer.

Hi friend!

It is the player himself who, in theory (legally), pay those 50 million but he does paying those 50 million with his salary. Which is impossible because no player can pay his buyout clause with his own salary.

But legally it is done in that way, paying him from his own salary (but actually, would be Chelsea Who would pay those 50 million, not the player). And after that, the Spanish services taxes would be who would demand to Laporte pay those 45% more in taxes.

But all sides lose with this deal. Because Athletic de Bilbao also would have to pay another 45% more in taxes to the services of Spanish taxes.

In this type of agreement the only part that gets benefits are the Spanish tax services.

That's why there is a verbal agreement to never pay buyout clause and make an agreement between the teams for the price set in the buyout clause.

For example, players like Javi Martinez and Ander Herrera were signed by the price fixed in his buyout clause, but as an agreement between clubs, not being paid by the player himself. Without 45% more in taxes.

In summary if we want to sign Laporte, we have to convince Laporte, no Athletic Bilbao. And the final price are 50 million euros.

Sorry for my English .... I hope I explained well.

Regards.

[iseah100 5,612]

Hi friend!

It is the player himself who, in theory (legally), pay those 50 million but he does paying those 50 million with his salary. Which is impossible because no player can pay his buyout clause with his own salary.

But legally it is done in that way, paying him from his own salary (but actually, would be Chelsea Who would pay those 50 million, not the player). And after that, the Spanish services taxes would be who would demand to Laporte pay those 45% more in taxes.

But all sides lose with this deal. Because Athletic de Bilbao also would have to pay another 45% more in taxes to the services of Spanish taxes.

In this type of agreement the only part that gets benefits are the Spanish tax services.

That's why there is a verbal agreement to never pay buyout clause and make an agreement between the teams for the price set in the buyout clause.

For example, players like Javi Martinez and Ander Herrera were signed by the price fixed in his buyout clause, but as an agreement between clubs, not being paid by the player himself. Without 45% more in taxes.

In summary if we want to sign Laporte, we have to convince Laporte, no Athletic Bilbao. And the final price are 50 million euros.

Sorry for my English .... I hope I explained well.

Regards.

You da homie.

[RhesusReus 219]

Possibly. But Stones now has Chelsea. He doesn't need to wait anymore, his big chance is here. Like Jason said, he needs to do more. Get an agent to make some noise, or someone.

Why? Its pointlessly detrimental to him.

The club's chairman released an offical statement saying he wont sell.

That is something Levy never did with Modric or Bale, nor did John Henry with Sterling.

Anything he does simply alienates him at a club where he is gaureented a starting role.

[The Chels 2,502]

So, exist a type of a tacit agreement with the player? Other clubs just need pay the same amount of the release clause, but they never do that? Interesting, because, i remember read something different in RC about the Ander transfer.

That is what generally happens. When we signed Diego Costa, for example, we agreed a deal with Atletico instead of actually activating the clause but Athletic is different because they don't need the money.

Herrera had to buy out his own contract and therefore pay tax on the buyout clause (for which United would have paid him). Whatever the price of Laporte's buyout clause we will have to pay that + tax (20-47%), for sure.

[The Mak 4,459]

The most exciting part about this for me was that he was probably our biggest opportunity to force Ivanovic out of the team for this season (I can't see the intro of Baba doing it yet). I could definitely see him starting on the right and gradually phasing him into the centre over JT. Zouma could push Cahill out too. Alas...other than that I'm not too fussed. Zouma is ahead of him IMO.