🇪🇸 Fernando Torres

[Tomo 21,751]

Yeah but did that happen? no it didn't. It's like saying if a striker scores a winner in a match, it doesn't mean anything, because just before that he lost the ball and if it wasn't for Bob who was the left back who intercepted it, it would of been a goal against them.

That doesn't matter what could've happened, he still did something worth it no matter what you say.

The point i was trying to make is if we look a the small details then why is Torres winning the corner obsessed over yet Bosingwa's match saving interception at the Nou Camp get overlooked (an interception that meant Torres was a hero and not someone who blew our hard work over 180 minutes)?

There are many small details we can look at throughout the competition that saved us from going out, those two mentioned, Ash's goal line clearance in Naples and we could even go as far as crediting AVB for dropping the highline (and his principles) against Valencia.

[Kojo 4,676]

The point i was trying to make is if we look a the small details then why is Torres winning the corner obsessed over yet Bosingwa's match saving interception at the Nou Camp get overlooked (an interception that meant Torres was a hero and not someone who blew our hard work over 180 minutes)?

There are many small details we can look at throughout the competition that saved us from going out, those two mentioned, Ash's goal line clearance in Naples and we could even go as far as crediting AVB for dropping the highline (and his principles) against Valencia.

Well there you go then, Bosingwa contributed as well, my whole point of this was aimed at the people who were saying Torres has contributed nothing to this club. When he has, who is to say Barca wouldn't of scored at the Nou Camp had he not?. I wouldn't put it past them, remember Iniesta?, when we absolutely smashed them at the Bridge and they get a last minute goal.

[Tomo 21,751]

Well there you go then, Bosingwa contributed as well, my whole point of this was aimed at the people who were saying Torres has contributed nothing to this club. When he has, who is to say Barca wouldn't of scored at the Nou Camp had he not?. I wouldn't put it past them, remember Iniesta?, when we absolutely smashed them at the Bridge and they get a last minute goal.

Exactly, every player who played contributed in some little way or another, maybe even the yellow cards at the Nou Camp. Ramires's adrenaline must have been pumping after getting a yellow and missing the final, could it have been that that made him go on that mad run and score for us seconds later?

But yeah it is naive to say Torres made no contribution's.

Personally i think the group stage struggles played a huge part in winning it for us, a close shave so early on gave the players a kick up the backside which imo made them fight like dogs from the Valencia game onwards.

[termninja 5,290]

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

Enough of the Torres videos already, we all remember how good he was

[Mathewe 65]

Almost all of those goals came from good service, something which I still believe he hasn't consistently gotten when playing for us. If Torres was getting chance after chance for us and still missing (to be fair to the nay-sayers, he has missed multiple opportunities in certain matches in the past) I would really have to agree that we should cut our losses, but I dont feel he has.

From what I have seen for the most part so far this season, Torres has looked dangerous and when he has had good goal scoring chances he has put them away. Against QPR I don't remember him really having anything go his way, there was one chance that he made for himself where he worked Cesar, and other than that nothing. I feel that RDM went waaaaaaaaayyyyy too defensive in that match, it was crying out for an Oscar start and we got 2 defensive wingers instead, against QPR.

/rant.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Almost all of those goals came from good service, something which I still believe he hasn't consistently gotten when playing for us. If Torres was getting chance after chance for us and still missing (to be fair to the nay-sayers, he has missed multiple opportunities in certain matches in the past) I would really have to agree that we should cut our losses, but I dont feel he has.

From what I have seen for the most part so far this season, Torres has looked dangerous and when he has had good goal scoring chances he has put them away. Against QPR I don't remember him really having anything go his way, there was one chance that he made for himself where he worked Cesar, and other than that nothing. I feel that RDM went waaaaaaaaayyyyy too defensive in that match, it was crying out for an Oscar start and we got 2 defensive wingers instead, against QPR.

/rant.

I'm getting tired of this discussion but I just don't get this POV. Torres hasn't had great service with Chelsea but if a striker needs to get the ball at his feet in front of net to score, he's not very good. Many many players can score if you give them excellent service. What makes a top striker is the ability to put those chances away, the ability to get himself into great positions to get those easy chances,and also to create their own chances. Torres has been poor at all three aspects.

[Rowan_Osborn 58]

I'm getting tired of this discussion but I just don't get this POV. Torres hasn't had great service with Chelsea but if a striker needs to get the ball at his feet in front of net to score, he's not very good. Many many players can score if you give them excellent service. What makes a top striker is the ability to put those chances away, the ability to get himself into great positions to get those easy chances,and also to create their own chances. Torres has been poor at all three aspects.

Totally agree. The argument that a striker is not performing because goals are not laid on a plate for him is frankly pathetic. I'm sure even Mikel could score too if he was passed the ball right in front of goal. Torres' movement needs to improve in order for him to get better opportunities, I'd prefer it if he implemented more passing movements as he did against Newcastle rather than trying to take on players which frequently results in lost possession.

[Tomo 21,751]

Almost all of those goals came from good service, something which I still believe he hasn't consistently gotten when playing for us. If Torres was getting chance after chance for us and still missing (to be fair to the nay-sayers, he has missed multiple opportunities in certain matches in the past) I would really have to agree that we should cut our losses, but I dont feel he has.

From what I have seen for the most part so far this season, Torres has looked dangerous and when he has had good goal scoring chances he has put them away. Against QPR I don't remember him really having anything go his way, there was one chance that he made for himself where he worked Cesar, and other than that nothing. I feel that RDM went waaaaaaaaayyyyy too defensive in that match, it was crying out for an Oscar start and we got 2 defensive wingers instead, against QPR.

/rant.

The only time the service excuse has been valid was his first six months, complaining about lack of service with Juan Mata behind you is Iniesta complaining about lack of adrenaline just after he scored the winner in the World Cup final.

What also does my head in is the fact he thinks he deserves to be given number one role without competition. Being put on the bench for two cup final's last term should have made him determined to make sure it doesn't happen again with performances on the pitch. Yet RDM came and pandered to him on the plane home from Munich when he should have been celebrating.

As some know i have recently been accepted to go on a trip to Costa Rica next year. Had i been turned down it would have made me even more determined to go back next year and prove they made a mistake by working to get back on.

I know it's 2 complete different thing's but the same principle at the end of the day.

[November33rd 84]

Totally agree. The argument that a striker is not performing because goals are not laid on a plate for him is frankly pathetic. I'm sure even Mikel could score too if he was passed the ball right in front of goal. Torres' movement needs to improve in order for him to get better opportunities, I'd prefer it if he implemented more passing movements as he did against Newcastle rather than trying to take on players which frequently results in lost possession.

No you are wrong. He's Fernando Torres so logic and good sense doesn't apply. He can't do any wrong. If he is playing badly it must be because of the players around him! When he is invisible for 90 minutes it must be because he didn't get any service and not because he was lazy and has no way of creating chances for himself! Leave Torres alone it is not his fault. Stop attacking him, it's RDM's fault, or our midfields fault, or the referees fault...anybody but him.

[Mathewe 65]

Excellent use of subtle sarcasm good sir. Of course its partly Torres' fault, but he isn't the only one at fault. Yes he was poor against QPR, but he wasn't the only one. I'm all for constructive criticism but when it comes to Torres its either people "blindly" sticking up for him, or people who slate him for every little thing.

He's certainly at fault for poor perfomances at times, just like RDM can be at fault for a poor team performance, but it's not always his fault if he has a poor game, just like it isn't always RDM's fault if we play poorly in general. Sometimes shit just happens, and I think the QPR game was a prime example of it.

[Kinol 337]

Excellent use of subtle sarcasm good sir. Of course its partly Torres' fault, but he isn't the only one at fault. Yes he was poor against QPR, but he wasn't the only one. I'm all for constructive criticism but when it comes to Torres its either people "blindly" sticking up for him, or people who slate him for every little thing.

He's certainly at fault for poor perfomances at times, just like RDM can be at fault for a poor team performance, but it's not always his fault if he has a poor game, just like it isn't always RDM's fault if we play poorly in general. Sometimes shit just happens, and I think the QPR game was a prime example of it.

But the problem is that players who played shit against QPR have had good games before, but torres seriously havent had any. Yeah, he has played some okey games but i stand clear on my point that since torres came to Chelsea he havent had a really good game for us which has made me think "wow, thats a world class striker we've got there"

[jmarlow 458]

But the problem is that players who played shit against QPR have had good games before, but torres seriously havent had any. Yeah, he has played some okey games but i stand clear on my point that since torres came to Chelsea he havent had a really good game for us which has made me think "wow, thats a world class striker we've got there"

if you think Torres has never had a good game for us then you clearly have never seen him play very often!

[Kinol 337]

if you think Torres has never had a good game for us then you clearly have never seen him play very often!

I said "a really good game" and for me he hasnt. Not if you compare with other worldclass strikers.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I said "a really good game" and for me he hasnt. Not if you compare with other worldclass strikers.

I'd classify the recent Newcastle match as his only 'really good game'.

[ja1 1,166]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2204688/EXCLUSIVE-Fernando-Torres-feeling-blue-again.html

I no Torres lover but I wouldn't look too much into this Daily Mail article. The type of feature anyone can make up (which they have done before for players at Chelsea) with zero evidence and quotes, just trying to put 2+2 together when watching Torres.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.dailymail...blue-again.html

I no Torres lover but I wouldn't look too much into this Daily Mail article. The type of feature anyone can make up (which they have done before for players at Chelsea) with zero evidence and quotes, just trying to put 2+2 together when watching Torres.

Typical English media. When he was scoring the goals prior to the international break, it was all 'Torres is back!' headline and everything was positive and after just poor game against QPR, it's all negative headlines once again.

[Mufassir08 2,400]

I think it could be a win-win situation for us because either torres is gonna score goals for fun for us or we will sign falcao in january.

[gary gordon 1,777]

I'd like to wonder where we would be had we no signed him and still kept Drogba... OH wait..... we are top of the table!! Honestly, Torres had fuck-all service the other day. Our fucked up midfield and wingers let him down. Nobody else..

[Jase 43,479]

I'd like to wonder where we would be had we no signed him and still kept Drogba... OH wait..... we are top of the table!! Honestly, Torres had fuck-all service the other day. Our fucked up midfield and wingers let him down. Nobody else..

Yes yes. Blame the wingers. Blame the midfielders. Blame everyone else. Torres is the innocent one here as always...