CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 So did you think we deserved to lose vs Barca*? You can't just base your point on that, over the course of the 90 minutes we gave Juve a very good game.*It's actually not only that game, there are several others we have found a way to win without creating many chances, but didn't see you or any others saying we deserved to lose.Our game plan against Barca was to defend only. We did what we set out to do, i.e defending, better than they did what they wanted to do which is scoring. So no, we deserved to knock Barca out. Against Juve we were trying to control the game and create as many chances as possible. They defended better than us and stopped us from creating and attacked better than us by creating much more chances than we did with less possession. So yes, I would say that their performance was better than ours and hence they deserved to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Our game plan against Barca was to defend only. We did what we set out to do, i.e defending, better than they did what they wanted to do which is scoring. So no, we deserved to knock Barca out.Against Juve we were trying to control the game and create as many chances as possible. They defended better than us and stopped us from creating and attacked better than us by creating much more chances than we did with less possession. So yes, I would say that their performance was better than ours and hence they deserved to win.Weird logic. Barca attacked faaaaaar better than we did in the 1st leg, created like 20 freaking chances to our one, and we deserved to knock them out?! But on the other hand should have lost to Juve....What does creating chances even have to do with deserving to win again? the most efficient team wins football matches and that's what we were against Barca.Against Juve, we barely had any chances and scored 2 goals, Juve had 5 and scored 2, so no they did not deserve to win, who's fault is it they did not take their chances?I get the feeling your post was just because Juve are your 2nd team, or maybe even first. Because i don't understand how we deserved to knock out Barca, but lose to Juve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 Weird logic. Barca attacked faaaaaar better than we did in the 1st leg, created like 20 freaking chances to our one, and we deserved to knock them out?! But on the other hand should have lost to Juve....What does creating chances even have to do with deserving to win again? the most efficient team wins football matches and that's what we were against Barca.Against Juve, we barely had any chances and scored 2 goals, Juve had 5 and scored 2, so no they did not deserve to win, who's fault is it they did not take their chances?I get the feeling your post was just because Juve are your 2nd team, or maybe even first. Because i don't understand how we deserved to knock out Barca, but lose to Juve.I thought I made it clear in my last post but I'll make it even simpler:Against Barca:We WANTED to defend and we defended brilliantly.We were only looking to create one or two chances and take them and that is exactly what we did. They wanted to attack and score but didn't create much. So, we executed our game plan much better than they executed their's. Hence our performance was better than Barca's which is why we deserved to go through.Against Juve:We played with Oscar, Mata, and Hazard; we were clearly looking to create chances. We FAILED to do what we set out to do. Juve wanted to stop us from creating and look to score on their fewer chances. They defended very well and DID manage to stop us from creating. They also SUCCEEDED in creating chances from fewer attacks and lesser possession. So they executed their game plan to perfection. They PERFORMED how they wanted to while we failed to do as the manager planned. Hence why their performance was better than ours and why they deserved to win.2 goals out of 5 chances is decent especially that they were denied by the bar at 2-2. They were unlucky be cause we scored 2 goals from a deflection and a wonder shot.I never said whoever creates more deserves to win. It's all about your tactics and game plan i.e. what you want to do in the match. If you manage to execute your game plan in a match while stopping your opposition from executing their's then you deserve to win the match. Tell me please, where is the gap in that logic?And I must say I feel a little offended that you questioned my loyalty. I support Juve, yes, but Chelsea is my life. I criticize Chelsea more because I love it more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted October 12, 2012 Share Posted October 12, 2012 I thought I made it clear in my last post but I'll make it even simpler:Against Barca:We WANTED to defend and we defended brilliantly.We were only looking to create one or two chances and take them and that is exactly what we did. They wanted to attack and score but didn't create much. So, we executed our game plan much better than they executed their's. Hence our performance was better than Barca's which is why we deserved to go through.Against Juve:We played with Oscar, Mata, and Hazard; we were clearly looking to create chances. We FAILED to do what we set out to do. Juve wanted to stop us from creating and look to score on their fewer chances. They defended very well and DID manage to stop us from creating. They also SUCCEEDED in creating chances from fewer attacks and lesser possession. So they executed their game plan to perfection. They PERFORMED how they wanted to while we failed to do as the manager planned. Hence why their performance was better than ours and why they deserved to win.2 goals out of 5 chances is decent especially that they were denied by the bar at 2-2. They were unlucky be cause we scored 2 goals from a deflection and a wonder shot.I never said whoever creates more deserves to win. It's all about your tactics and game plan i.e. what you want to do in the match. If you manage to execute your game plan in a match while stopping your opposition from executing their's then you deserve to win the match. Tell me please, where is the gap in that logic?And I must say I feel a little offended that you questioned my loyalty. I support Juve, yes, but Chelsea is my life. I criticize Chelsea more because I love it more.This could go on forever, i'll just keep it short. First off, we did not play with Hazard, Mata and Oscar, Ramires started on the right, meaning it was a slightly defensive set up.Secondly, i did not question your loyalty, just pointed out your opinion is 'different' because you also support Juve.Not going to talk about whether they deserved to win or not anymore, i already made my point on why they didn't and you have made yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted December 5, 2012 Popular Post! Share Posted December 5, 2012 Will be back in 2018/19 season. Off to a break! MichaelDance, BlueLion., xPetrCechx and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFC-Lloydy 38 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not liking the look of the teams we could face..Will we still wear the Champions League winners badges in the Europa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdenHazard 163 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Some good sides there; Napoli, Ajax and Inter being the stand out ones for me. Hopefully we can avoid them three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 At what point can we draw Spurs?AVB is taking this comp really seriously, it would be fucking great to knock them out of it seen as we were the team to put them in it in the first place! Moustradamus and Changingman_2000 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddish-Blue 2,506 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 At what point can we draw Spurs?AVB is taking this comp really seriously, it would be fucking great to knock them out of it seen as we were the team to put them in it in the first place!We can draw Spurs from round of 16 onwards.. Superblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Some good teams in that unseeded pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 Some good teams in that unseeded pot.Napoli are the ones that stand out for me and they'll certainly be gunning for us after last season.Inter are in the middle of a much greater transitional period than we are experiencing and Ajax are decent at best, certainly made to look better then they are by City this season. The rest are all perfectly beatable.If we take it fairly seriously then we have a real good chance of winning it IMO. Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lav 9 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Heres to meeting the Reds at some point. Juicy matchup that. Beirut_Blues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Anyone outside Ukr/Russia/Turkey...I would like to play vs Ajax actualy, they are good team. I hope we go as far possible, but please play with reserve players (Marin, Moses?, Danny, Azpi, Bertrand, Piazon, Feruz maybe, Romeu,...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,914 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Where's Atletico? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I personally dont like this competition. It does not bring money, publicity, technical challenge and it does bring fatigue, unpreparedness, distraction, prank, shame (if you dont win it). For me it is more of a punishment then a consolation prize.Have said that, it is not like I dont want us to win it. It would be awesome to travel to Amsterdan Arena, I just think it should be placed as our least important objective and we must not risk losing any point by focusing in Europa League. Kostas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Mmmm... Amsterdam :eyebrows:Win this and the World Club Cup next week and we've won the lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nachikethas 1,154 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 ARE YOU WATCHING WHITE HART LANE??spurs ; yessssWELL WE ARE GONA FUCK YOU THERE TOO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Excited about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit 3,176 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I want us to win this so that we can have another crack at UEFA super cup. Rambo and Kisho 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Made a slight error in explaining how the teams will go into the 'Seeded' and 'Unseeded' pots. Have amended it.Where's Atletico?They're through but just not confirmed where they'll finish in their group yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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