Closed Juventus 3-0 Chelsea

[chelseathebest 150]

you sound like a bad loser ....and the group isnt finished yet.

IF they go through and we don't good luck to them

Well I don't like them and I most certainly won't wish them good luck.

But unrelated to that, they are not on the level as Bayern, Barca, Real, Dortmund or even Shakhtar.

I believe they will get knocked out soon enough.

[Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067]

not gonna lie was legit truly upset with this match. We bench torres, wow, how long did it take before that sink in that torres is shit. but not only that, its that the day he decides to drop torres guess what Studge is injured/not picked! go fucking figure! i hope its just our novermber curse or whaever becasue its becoming truly frustrating seeing us not rebound from negative results, or at least showing signs of a comeback during a game in which we are losing. I mean we go down, or if the opposition draw late on in a game and you can bet your life's savings that the most we're coming out with is a draw MAX, never ever a win.

havent kept clean sheet in what 9 games now, prob cause of JT's absence but at this stage in JT's career we should be lessening our reliance on him. at this rate we'll be saying when JT is 35 "oh man we really missed JT out there in defense". and you know what its not just the occasional game we look bad or make costly costly errors, its EVERY fucking game. defense and striker(s) (more like one in RDM's eyes becuz he only chooses one every game)

but what most of all ticked me off, is that Juve come here to fucking Stamford Bridge they drew 2-2 after being down by 2 goals............we go there and get humiliated 3-0. that above ALL ELSE is what got to me. and that right their is the difference between Champs and Europa league contenders.

[Hutcho 8,443]

"Definition of insanity: Doing the same thing and expecting a different result."

After recent results I can't blame RdM for trying something new - I personally feel we would have lost this game whatever lineup he tried because we cannot address the problems with defenders being exposed and attackers not finishing off their chances.

I think a lot of it stems from over use of Hazard and Mata which is degenerating their effectiveness. A lot of people have been spoiled by Lampards longevity and consistency they expect flair players to also be able to play 90 minutes every game with the same effect. Just recall Robben and how often he was out of the side due to injuries - the way especially Hazard plays takes a great toll on his body. Especially today as the match went on Mata and Hazard were not able to keep up the press and trickery. Marin; Moses need to be rotated with those two with greater effect if we want to use them in their most devastating form in matches like the ones against Juve.

Its not the flair players but the lack of players we have to convert what they created. Oscar laid one on a plate to hazard, hazard did one similar to mata etc. We want them 3 to be interchanging a bit deeper with a true striker up front which we don't have. Yes our "flair" players had a bad game but that is not the underlying problem.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Well I don't like them and I most certainly won't wish them good luck.

But unrelated to that, they are not on the level as Bayern, Barca, Real, Dortmund or even Shakhtar.

I believe they will get knocked out soon enough.

Lets hope so.

[Hutcho 8,443]

What is also really annoying is we haven't won in 5 now and the 6th is vs man city...

[leonflare 2]

No, Juventus is not back. You won because we are fucking awful team.

Anyways, you'll get hammered soon in the knock out phase...

You will dream this match when we will raise the cup of the champions.

[Term-X 7,891]

In Roman I trust.

Jose' & Ancelotti (at a push) were the only debatable sackings, the rest were spot on.

[Hutcho 8,443]

You will dream this match when we will raise the cup of the champions.

Ok mate... Never say never after last year, but no, hopefully you get beat by shakhtar we go through and you will remebr us lifting it for the second time...

[Rmpr 8,977]

In Roman I trust.

Jose' & Ancelotti (at a push) were the only debatable sackings, the rest were spot on.

Yes, but that only tells that his signings were all bad ones...

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I really don't want RDM to be sacked, but I wish we could learn that with mazacar, we can't defend deep properly like last season. They are posession based players, so we need to hold possesion and not only when we are loosing.

Two immediate concerns

1. We need to practice our movements in possesion, we rely on mazacar instincts too much ffs.

Team play and positioning while we are in possesion should be practiced so that we get better at creating chances. We had only 12 shots and 6 on target while juventus had 25 and 15 on target. Most of them was playing possesion football.

2. We need a ball playing CM for this transition of ours to progress. We can't pass from the back because there's no (xabialonso, xavi, scholes, fernadinho, moutinho, schweinstieger) in our team. We were punting balls to short attackers all day. Mata, hazard and oscar are high up and can't come back to help mikel, ramires and so we lose the ball to opposition fast.

RDM's tactis of trying to play on the counter when mata and hazard can't really fufil defensive roles like kalou did is back firing and we are conceding goals for fun.

[Las7 951]

Its not the flair players but the lack of players we have to convert what they created. Oscar laid one on a plate to hazard, hazard did one similar to mata etc. We want them 3 to be interchanging a bit deeper with a true striker up front which we don't have. Yes our "flair" players had a bad game but that is not the underlying problem.

I meant that up until this point our Flair player bailed us out but now that they have been played so much they are starting to get tired and loose their effectiveness when we most need them.

[Term-X 7,891]

Yes, but that only tells that his signings were all bad ones...

Not entirely, for example.. it was Kenyon who appointed Scolari.

And consequently Kenyon was sacked for it.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Not entirely, for example.. it was Kenyon who appointed Scolari.

And consequently Kenyon was sacked for it.

I know, but he has the final decision. If he didnt wanted Scolari he would not have agreed to aproach him.

At the end, we all know Roman has made some major mistakes regarding our coaching staff. I just hope he has learned to study all the possible scenarios, fully belive in whoever he signs and that he has learned to be more patient.

[KonohasOrangeFlash 2,607]

I'm just so fed up. Why aren't basic problems being fixed? (Finishing, Closing down). I guess for that continued ignorance to these issues, RDM is only to blame.

Big changes needed in January because we are in crisis and will probably lose against Citeh.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

The biggest issues are that we have not one single thing fixed.

1) formation. Are we going to play fancy with plenty goals or counter attacks with strong defence? We are doing nothing of that.

2) we dont have striker. Actualy we will need 2 of them.

3) Three playmakers (Hazard, Oscar, Mata) just dont give results. Hazard is not that good on wing, Mata is tired oftenly and Oscar cant put class performances in PL yet. Seems that two playmakers should be at max with some fast tecnical winger that can cross and use strenght.

4) pivot. At one point Rambo-Mikel are class, but then again there should be DPL to offer more creativity.

5) CBs. Which pair to use? Who to buy? What to do with luiz?

6) manager problems...

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So many problems and we have big money players in first team that are just not effective enough (Luiz, Rambo, Hazard,...). I just hope thar board is wise enough to make right changes and is patient enough.

[Kieran. 6,317]

We might still go through so...

[zolayes 14,489]

Being the first reigning Champions to get knocked out of the group stage, is something that will haunt us forever as a football club.

A permanent black mark.

Arent you a Forest fan ,,,, They won this Trophy and went down to Division one ... YOU really are childish sometimes

[Land 331]

Luiz seems to be the scapegoat of every bad defensive performance from the team.He was good today by his awful standards.Everyone was very inconsistent in the back.Mikel was just awful, I swear he keeps walking on the pitch.We need a good DM just as much as a striker.

[Shane 2,275]

Fair play to RDM for having the balls to drop Torres and play Hazard as the false nine, if he put away that chance and we held out people out be calling it a masterstroke. Also Juventus aren't Stoke, they are a top top side and very good at home, If they can beat Shaktar no one would want them in the second round.

We missed Terry at the back tonight, Luiz and Cahill offer no leadership or organisational abillties, the only time they've played well together is when they have 8 others with them in defence. I'm not worried about us going out of the Champions League group stages, City and United did it last year, I am worried at the fact that we're forced to play Hazard upfront because we have no other option.

#Pray4Falcao

[Reddish-Blue 2,530]

It was bad enough getting ripped apart by Juventus..and in 5 days, we have to play Citeh..who continue to play poorly yet they get the results cause they have strikers that can score the decisive goal.