Oscar

[Special Juan 28,133]

where is the cut off point for "world class"?

there is no cut off point, but answer me this, is he up there with messi and Ronaldo?

[Stingray 9,441]

The overreactions towards our Belgian players (especially KDB and Lukaku) are, way, waaaaayyyy higher than that of Oscar!

Sorry mate, but you cant denny that...

I don't know really .... That depends on the frame of reference, really.

I know i tend to go to a belgian bias, but the love for Oscar was really big here last season even though he had to adjust still. Now, even though he is awesome here, he gets a deflected goal against Zambia and the words world class fall, also the Mata derogation. Comon, mate, this is a bit too strong.

The doubt on Lukaku was much stronger btw .... KDB, every time he gets mentioned ... Ugh. War time against his fans.

That said, I love the player. But, we lose pespective in this kind of debate. The perspective where all these guys are blue. That saddens me for a while now .....

[robsblubot 3,595]

there is no cut off point, but answer me this, is he up there with messi and Ronaldo?

were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?

Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina.

[Korea 734]

were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?

Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina.

I'd say Messi was...

Cristiano probably was ....

[Rmpr 8,977]

I don't know really .... That depends on the frame of reference, really.

I know i tend to go to a belgian bias, but the love for Oscar was really big here last season even though he had to adjust still. Now, even though he is awesome here, he gets a deflected goal against Zambia and the words world class fall, also the Mata derogation. Comon, mate, this is a bit too strong.

The doubt on Lukaku was much stronger btw .... KDB, every time he gets mentioned ... Ugh. War time against his fans.

That said, I love the player. But, we lose pespective in this kind of debate. The perspective where all these guys are blue. That saddens me for a while now .....

No, it is not over the top because it was only a single member who posted that, it is not like there is a legion of fans posting Oscar is world class and better than Mata!

It escalated quickly to what was a single post from a single member. Nothing more than that. The rest was us making fun of Liverpool fans and the media for the Coutinho wanking that happened in end of last season and early August.

Also, it was way more for the way he changed and lighted up the game than for the goal he made. People just reacted positively to what has been our best player so far...

However, when Lukaku scores for Belgium, there are pages and pages of 'suck you haters' and 'Mourinho out'. Which is simply pathetic, because he is better off loaned than to not play here!

You cant criticize a Belgian without having to deal with 3-4 members defending them at all costs. It is not even comparable with Oscar, or any other players for that matter.

[robsblubot 3,595]

I'd say Messi was...

Cristiano probably was ....

Gonna have to disagree about Messi. He was, until recently, pretty much a non-factor for the national team. This is not really disputable, since you gonna find very few assists and goals by him when playing for Argentina early on. Ppl were questioning his starting spot at some point... yup! Only recently, already as a matured play, he's been able to reproduce his brilliance at the international level.

Ronaldo prob was already as influential at 22, but a completely different player too. A player who also relies on his physical power and pace, as opposed to Oscar who's pure technique.

BTW, these friendlies have no importance really. They are less boring because we are so close to the WC and players are more motivated, but still, far from the real thing.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

The reactions on here for a deflected goal imo are hilarious.

I think the reaction is more because of how consistent Oscar has been in front of goal so far this season thats 5 goals in 7 games for him now, that is reason to get excited! also when you factor in his performances which have been top class! its easy to see why people are happy for him!

[zolayes 14,489]

where is the cut off point for "world class"?

I would say if a player is worthy of a place in a squad of 33 from all the world ,,then they are World Class ,,but if people wanted it to be 22 I wouldnt argue

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are beyond world-class, especially Messi. I can't for the life of me see how this discussion got so derailed.

[ChelseasMessiah 304]

I think the reaction is more because of how consistent Oscar has been in front of goal so far this season thats 5 goals in 7 games for him now, that is reason to get excited! also when you factor in his performances which have been top class! its easy to see why people are happy for him!

Exactly, Oscar has been scoring left, right and centre, and playing* extremely well also. Let the lad be.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

The reactions on here for a deflected goal imo are hilarious.

People are applauding the fact that he has scored 5 goals in 7 matches

I didn't see overhype of the goal anywhere. Calm down, your beginning to seem like someone just whoring likes

[Rom2013 446]

were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?

Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina.

With 22 years old Messi and ROnaldo were a lot better than Oscar or any other player. Messi with 21 years old was the 2nd best player in the world, and Ronaldo with 22-23 the third.

[Barbara 15,149]

what's the point of comparing any player to Ronaldo and Messi?

It's a miracle itself that they were born in the same generation.

Footballers like that aren't bred every other day. They're beyond world-class, more like out-of-this-world-class.

I'd call world class players I see as a reference in their position in the sports worldwide. Which should make that list quite small if you ask me... don't like the term much tbh

[Korea 734]

With 22 years old Messi and ROnaldo were a lot better than Oscar or any other player. Messi with 21 years old was the 2nd best player in the world, and Ronaldo with 22-23 the third.

I think he meant internationally...

I still think Messi was somewhat very good at the age internationally......

Cristiano as well.

[Atlas Lion 1,223]

People are applauding the fact that he has scored 5 goals in 7 matches

I didn't see overhype of the goal anywhere. Calm down, your beginning to seem like someone just whoring likes

You're

And I'm calm. I've already stated my fond of Oscar this season and his contributions but if you can't identify some of the over reactions on here for a deflected goal against Zimbabwe than there really is no need to go any furthur