Oscar

[AswinR 96]

I saw quite a few brilliant passes from Hazard, even last weekend against Stoke that pass on Eto'o i would call brilliant

hazard isn't that brilliant of a passer either. that's why he's a winger. But hazard's passing is a couple of levels higher than Oscar's. And Hazard has had some really briliant passing this years

Quite a few tbh.

my point wasnt hazard or oscar cant do brilliant passes or hasnt done enough!!....just the lack of many such passes maybe down to the confidence they have for our strikers...

hazad is a brilliant passer just as much he can beat defenders at the drop of a shoulder....stingray , i was comparing with mata from last season

just was trying to say if we had drogs then things might be a little different...

we now see players trying to release hazard or the other attacking mid more often and not the striker imo..

[Gilvorak 3,734]

What are you on about? Hazard makes brilliant passes all the time, even stats back that up. He's created more chances than any other player in the League this season. Oscar simply doesn't have Hazard's vision yet, stop blaming everything on our strikers.

It's getting beyond pathetic now.

[TrippingStep 336]

I find it strange when people diss Oscar and Hazard's passing ability. Oscar I understand, but Hazard too?! The last match itself he had great passes.

I wouldn't complain about Oscar's passing ability either. With his ability to score the goals AND defend, this guy is just awesome. And about his assists, please do remember the striker dilemna we're going through. It's kinda hard to get the assists. Just give him some time, the guy's still young. I'm sure he'll prove us all wrong soon enough, like he did to me in that free kick. Now that was something!

The only thing that mighttt concern me is his first touch though. But then again, that comes with time I suppose. And he's brazillian too, so here's hoping those noteworthy football genes help him there. :blue scalf:

For his first touch, it will improve when he will have a bit more strength in his legs to be more in balance when opponents breath on his neck.

[lionsden 4,689]

What are you on about? Hazard makes brilliant passes all the time, even stats back that up. He's created more chances than any other player in the League this season. Oscar simply doesn't have Hazard's vision yet, stop blaming everything on our strikers.

It's getting beyond pathetic now.

Nor passing ability and hazard isn't even a great passer

[Kieran. 6,317]

wrong thread

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Nor passing ability and hazard isn't even a great passer

I think Eden has shown some incredible pieces of vision in his career but he doesn't do it consistently. Oscar on the other hand has yet to show the level of playmaking for us.

[Stingray 9,441]

What are you on about? Hazard makes brilliant passes all the time, even stats back that up. He's created more chances than any other player in the League this season. Oscar simply doesn't have Hazard's vision yet, stop blaming everything on our strikers.

It's getting beyond pathetic now.

Nor passing ability and hazard isn't even a great passer

I agree he isn't great at all at crossing or high balls, but his one touch direct passing is really excellent imo.

[lionsden 4,689]

I agree he isn't great at all at crossing or high balls, but his one touch direct passing is really excellent imo.

I can't disagree with that.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

As many have pointed out Oscar is 22. I repeat 22. His potential is mouthwatering.

It's world cup year and he's Brasil's number 10. If he can perform at the level that we all know he is capable of, like Ozil did in 2010, his stock and reputation will only get even higher. He's already shown an unwavering ability to cope with high pressure situations: scoring a world-class hatrick in the u20 world cup, performing incredibly in Europe and least of all stepping up as Brasils undisputed number 10 at 21. I'm just praying he stays injury free and has a great world cup. Hopefully those questioning his ability will put in there place then. It's just a shame that some need this. He played a mindboggling 77 games in 2013 winning the man of the match award in the 7 consecutive games for Brazil. He averaged a goal every 90 mins, the same as Ronaldo and better that Messi (91 mins per goal) and Lewandowski (100 mins per goal) in the Europe last season. Honestly if he was at another club we'd be dreaming of signing him.

Also his assists may not have been incredible last year but his industry at only 21 led him to make more tackles in last season (109) than Mata and Hazard’s combined (69). This will only improve under Jose. Nevertheless, putting his 12 assists from last season aside I feel it is a huge dis-service to Oscar to constantly bring up his assists in judging his attacking contribution for us. Oscar as a playmaker is very much in the mould of a Kaka. In the year Kaka won Balon D'Or he played 41 games, scored 19 goals and had 12 assists. The year before when he was voted best playmaker of the year he only had 9 assists. These are good numbers but hardly reflect what Kaka brought to Milan.

Fact is Oscar is 22 and shows a maturity to his game that far exceeds his years. With the guidance of Mourinho and practically a guarantee starter for many years to come he can only get better. :blue scalf:

[Gilvorak 3,734]

Really needs to improve his passing. Had a shocker today, that beautiful shot aside.

[Sheva. 5,373]

He's not suited for games against parked buses.

I hope with Salah joining the team, he can be rested in games like yesterday's and we play with more direct, fast players (Schurrle, Hazard, Salah/Willian)

Now City away next week, the type of game to use his strengths.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

He's not suited for games against parked buses.

I hope with Salah joining the team, he can be rested in games like yesterday's and we play with more direct, fast players (Schurrle, Hazard, Salah/Willian)

Now City away next week, the type of game to use his strengths.

Exactly the opposite. Players like Salah and Schurrle are poorly suited for games when teams play super-defensively. When there is no space behind the defenders, people who rely on speed don't have space to use it and so are neutralized.What good is speed when there's nowhere to run? These sorts of players, in fact, almost all of our team, is best suited to playing counter-attack. Players who can get into space with quickness, dribble past a defender, and shoot. Oscar is not ideal for this game but is still better suited because he can create a beautiful goal out of nothing on occasion.

[Land 331]

Really needs to improve his passing. Had a shocker today, that beautiful shot aside.

No he did not have a shocker.....we were extremely unlucky.

[Sheva. 5,373]

Exactly the opposite. Players like Salah and Schurrle are poorly suited for games when teams play super-defensively. When there is no space behind the defenders, people who rely on speed don't have space to use it and so are neutralized.What good is speed when there's nowhere to run? These sorts of players, in fact, almost all of our team, is best suited to playing counter-attack. Players who can get into space with quickness, dribble past a defender, and shoot. Oscar is not ideal for this game but is still better suited because he can create a beautiful goal out of nothing on occasion.

Look at Navas at City. It's not about running behind people, but running at defenders and trying to get the ball in the box. (And if we're lucky, a defender lazily sticks his leg out and we get a freekick/penalty)

Something we never do enough, thanks to the AM's being in the middle and fullbacks who can't do much in attack.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Look at Navas at City. It's not about running behind people, but running at defenders and trying to get the ball in the box. (And if we're lucky, a defender lazily sticks his leg out and we get a freekick/penalty)

Something we never do enough, thanks to the AM's being in the middle and fullbacks who can't do much in attack.

Navas is a very different player. He's a real winger who can stay wide and stretch a defence and give players room. Players like Salah and Schurrle cut into the middle and shoot.

[yuvala 2,167]

Navas is a very different player. He's a real winger who can stay wide and stretch a defence and give players room. Players like Salah and Schurrle cut into the middle and shoot.

Exactly .

We really lack width

[Sheva. 5,373]

Navas is a very different player. He's a real winger who can stay wide and stretch a defence and give players room. Players like Salah and Schurrle cut into the middle and shoot.

Fair point, i said Schurrle because his long range shooting could be handy against teams who sit deep.

But Salah while he likes to cut inside, has the pace and trickery to get to the by-line and put the ball in the box.

[lionsden 4,689]

Is it weird that I can't see the hype and fuss about oscar at all, whatever people see in him. In majority of cases where I have found players to be overrated, the issue as always been the lack of consistency and body of work to warrant the hype but such players usually have the qualities and undoubted talent but in Oscar's case, I'm genuinely struggling to see the qualities that's driving the hype machine. Is it vision, or passing or close control or ability to dictate the tempo of the game (None of which he has or excels at for me).

What are these qualities that people see in him that I'm failing to see. I'm genuinely curious.

[yuvala 2,167]

Is it weird that I can't see the hype and fuss about oscar at all, whatever people see in him. In majority of cases where I have found players to be overrated, the issue as always been the lack of consistency and body of work to warrant the hype but such players usually have the qualities and undoubted talent but in Oscar's case, I'm genuinely struggling to see the qualities that's driving the hype machine. Is it vision, or passing or close control or ability to dictate the tempo of the game (None of which he has or excels at for me).

What are these qualities that people see in him that I'm failing to see. I'm genuinely curious.

I know where you're coming from (and you're wrong to say he is overrated).

Oscar is a very all-rounded player, he is very good as some things and he's good at a lot of things but he is no master of any skill.

Like someone else said earlier - he's kinda our version of Muller (only more gifted, more flair..).

When you watch Oscar playing it's not the same as watching Hazard for example.. Hazard will probably make a good impression on you after a few touches with his dribbles and what not..

Oscar, he's not really going to do anything spectacular most of the game but he'll do his job, he might get a few on target, might make a few key passes.. but he won't stand out too much. He can score a goal out of nowhere.

My point is, Oscar fits in our system and Mou's tactics.

Also he does have good control, good dribble, a pretty good shot..

[lionsden 4,689]

I know where you're coming from (and you're wrong to say he is overrated).

Oscar is a very all-rounded player, he is very good as some things and he's good at a lot of things but he is no master of any skill.

Like someone else said earlier - he's kinda our version of Muller (only more gifted, more flair..).

When you watch Oscar playing it's not the same as watching Hazard for example.. Hazard will probably make a good impression on you after a few touches with his dribbles and what not..

Oscar, he's not really going to do anything spectacular most of the game but he'll do his job, he might get a few on target, might make a few key passes.. but he won't stand out too much. He can score a goal out of nowhere.

My point is, Oscar fits in our system and Mou's tactics.

Also he does have good control, good dribble, a pretty good shot..

Your analyses is spot on and it's what I already know about Oscar which makes it all the more baffling why people rate him exceptionally highly and some even see him becoming a world beater in the future. He must be the only "jack of all trade, master of none" that people view in such high regard. atleast Muller is extremely productive in the final third.

When you analyze great players who have a very understated and low tone quality to their game, they usually possess atleast one stand out quality that sets them apart from the rest.