Special Juan 28,141 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 where is the cut off point for "world class"?there is no cut off point, but answer me this, is he up there with messi and Ronaldo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The overreactions towards our Belgian players (especially KDB and Lukaku) are, way, waaaaayyyy higher than that of Oscar!Sorry mate, but you cant denny that...I don't know really .... That depends on the frame of reference, really. I know i tend to go to a belgian bias, but the love for Oscar was really big here last season even though he had to adjust still. Now, even though he is awesome here, he gets a deflected goal against Zambia and the words world class fall, also the Mata derogation. Comon, mate, this is a bit too strong. The doubt on Lukaku was much stronger btw .... KDB, every time he gets mentioned ... Ugh. War time against his fans. That said, I love the player. But, we lose pespective in this kind of debate. The perspective where all these guys are blue. That saddens me for a while now ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 there is no cut off point, but answer me this, is he up there with messi and Ronaldo?were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina.I'd say Messi was...Cristiano probably was .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I don't know really .... That depends on the frame of reference, really. I know i tend to go to a belgian bias, but the love for Oscar was really big here last season even though he had to adjust still. Now, even though he is awesome here, he gets a deflected goal against Zambia and the words world class fall, also the Mata derogation. Comon, mate, this is a bit too strong. The doubt on Lukaku was much stronger btw .... KDB, every time he gets mentioned ... Ugh. War time against his fans. That said, I love the player. But, we lose pespective in this kind of debate. The perspective where all these guys are blue. That saddens me for a while now .....No, it is not over the top because it was only a single member who posted that, it is not like there is a legion of fans posting Oscar is world class and better than Mata!It escalated quickly to what was a single post from a single member. Nothing more than that. The rest was us making fun of Liverpool fans and the media for the Coutinho wanking that happened in end of last season and early August.Also, it was way more for the way he changed and lighted up the game than for the goal he made. People just reacted positively to what has been our best player so far...However, when Lukaku scores for Belgium, there are pages and pages of 'suck you haters' and 'Mourinho out'. Which is simply pathetic, because he is better off loaned than to not play here!You cant criticize a Belgian without having to deal with 3-4 members defending them at all costs. It is not even comparable with Oscar, or any other players for that matter. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I'd say Messi was...Cristiano probably was ....Gonna have to disagree about Messi. He was, until recently, pretty much a non-factor for the national team. This is not really disputable, since you gonna find very few assists and goals by him when playing for Argentina early on. Ppl were questioning his starting spot at some point... yup! Only recently, already as a matured play, he's been able to reproduce his brilliance at the international level.Ronaldo prob was already as influential at 22, but a completely different player too. A player who also relies on his physical power and pace, as opposed to Oscar who's pure technique.BTW, these friendlies have no importance really. They are less boring because we are so close to the WC and players are more motivated, but still, far from the real thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacquiao 1,834 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The reactions on here for a deflected goal imo are hilarious. I think the reaction is more because of how consistent Oscar has been in front of goal so far this season thats 5 goals in 7 games for him now, that is reason to get excited! also when you factor in his performances which have been top class! its easy to see why people are happy for him! Rmpr, kellzfresh and Barbara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 where is the cut off point for "world class"?I would say if a player is worthy of a place in a squad of 33 from all the world ,,then they are World Class ,,but if people wanted it to be 22 I wouldnt argue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are beyond world-class, especially Messi. I can't for the life of me see how this discussion got so derailed. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I think the reaction is more because of how consistent Oscar has been in front of goal so far this season thats 5 goals in 7 games for him now, that is reason to get excited! also when you factor in his performances which have been top class! its easy to see why people are happy for him!Exactly, Oscar has been scoring left, right and centre, and playing* extremely well also. Let the lad be. Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 The reactions on here for a deflected goal imo are hilarious. People are applauding the fact that he has scored 5 goals in 7 matchesI didn't see overhype of the goal anywhere. Calm down, your beginning to seem like someone just whoring likes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 were Messi or Ronaldo up tehre with Oscar when they were 22?Don't know about Ronaldo, but I can tell Messi was far from the end product esp when playing for Argentina.With 22 years old Messi and ROnaldo were a lot better than Oscar or any other player. Messi with 21 years old was the 2nd best player in the world, and Ronaldo with 22-23 the third. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 what's the point of comparing any player to Ronaldo and Messi?It's a miracle itself that they were born in the same generation.Footballers like that aren't bred every other day. They're beyond world-class, more like out-of-this-world-class.I'd call world class players I see as a reference in their position in the sports worldwide. Which should make that list quite small if you ask me... don't like the term much tbh nore_ega, Rmpr and The Skipper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 With 22 years old Messi and ROnaldo were a lot better than Oscar or any other player. Messi with 21 years old was the 2nd best player in the world, and Ronaldo with 22-23 the third.I think he meant internationally...I still think Messi was somewhat very good at the age internationally......Cristiano as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 People are applauding the fact that he has scored 5 goals in 7 matchesI didn't see overhype of the goal anywhere. Calm down, your beginning to seem like someone just whoring likes You'reAnd I'm calm. I've already stated my fond of Oscar this season and his contributions but if you can't identify some of the over reactions on here for a deflected goal against Zimbabwe than there really is no need to go any furthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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