Eden Hazard

[Stingray 9,441]

Christ, it really is quite hard expressing criticisms of Hazard here

It seems to go both ways, you now

[zolayes 14,489]

Since Robben left we have been screaming out for a player with pace who could dribble .. We got SWP the headless chicken . Kalou was better but ridiculed ,,,Yuri was never given a chance ,

Now we have Hazard and someone wants to bench him for Bertrand ,,,, FFS

Eden is a potential GREAT so show some faith and appreciation

[CHOULO19 24,332]

What did you expect? A 22 year old Messi? Do you honostly not see the difference between his role in Lille, where every ball went to him and here at Chelsea, where he get's the ball every so often if he's lucky, where he completely had to change his game in favor of defensive duties?

Tell me, who else in this team except Mata shows more skill than Hazard? WTF do you expect of a 22yo guy, what 'have you been promised'? Seriously, I'm baffled.

'Needs to show more or be benched'.. for fucking Marin? Bertrand?

The things you read here...

So what, we're supposed to play him and praise him no matter how he plays just because his name is Hazard and he is 22yo? I like Hazard, but any player, no matter who he is, should be constantly fighting for his spot. If he under-performs for 2-3 games in a row then he needs to be benched. Ededn is greatly talented, but that should not be an excuse to stop trying to improve.

[Jase 43,479]

Cannot believe one goal from 30 yards by Hazard sparked the madness that is happening in this thread right now...

[Manuf 1,448]

Cannot believe one goal from 30 yards by Hazard sparked the madness that is happening in this thread right now...

yea, because things like that don't happen on TC, do they.

[Svita 10 186]

You think any Chelsea players have a 'blue heart'? Don't be so naive mate.

JT, Frank, Petr, Juan, Brano. yes i think.

[Weckerz 3,781]

So what, we're supposed to play him and praise him no matter how he plays just because his name is Hazard and he is 22yo? I like Hazard, but any player, no matter who he is, should be constantly fighting for his spot. If he under-performs for 2-3 games in a row then he needs to be benched. Ededn is greatly talented, but that should not be an excuse to stop trying to improve.

Stop trying to improve? How do you come up with this stuff mate? What on earth makes you suggest he doesn't try to improve?

You should praise him for his very decent first season in the premier league, not because his name is Hazard, instead of being overly critical for no obvious reason at all.

Mata hasn't played that well for a few games now, a few more quiet games and he's ready for the bench amirite?

[Miguelito 459]

Stop trying to improve? How do you come up with this stuff mate? What on earth makes you suggest he doesn't try to improve?

You should praise him for his very decent first season in the premier league, not because his name is Hazard, instead of being overly critical for no obvious reason at all.

Mata hasn't played that well for a few games now, a few more quiet games and he's ready for the bench amirite?

He never says he's not trying to improve, in fact he said he has been improving recently.

And yes you are right, if mata is performing not good enough he should be benched. Nobody is good enough not to be benched when underperforming.

Sometimes people (not calling you out) take every little criticism about hazard out of context and act like he should be immune to it. He shouldn't. Credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is due. (Btw he was a boss last game)

[Weckerz 3,781]

He never says he's not trying to improve, in fact he said he has been improving recently.

And yes you are right, if mata is performing not good enough he should be benched. Nobody is good enough not to be benched when underperforming.

Sometimes people (not calling you out) take every little criticism about hazar out of context and act like he should be immune to it. He shouldn't. Credit where credit is due and criticism where criticism is due. (Btw he was a boss last game)

I promise, if someone deserves criticism I'd be the first to admit. Hazard is far from the finished articicle, he has flaws he has to work on. But I can't resist responding to the arguements some members keep bringing up here, as they make no sense at all. You might wanna check a few pages back. It's outrageous what you read here sometimes.

edit: anyway, ending pointless 'rant' now, been a tough day at work.

[chelseathebest 150]

So what, we're supposed to play him and praise him no matter how he plays just because his name is Hazard and he is 22yo? I like Hazard, but any player, no matter who he is, should be constantly fighting for his spot. If he under-performs for 2-3 games in a row then he needs to be benched. Ededn is greatly talented, but that should not be an excuse to stop trying to improve.

Agreed. We have some serious double standards here, but w/e...

Yeah, I know we can find a lot of excuses for him, such as it's his first season here, it's different football style, more physical league etc.

But the fact is that, overall, taken his all games into a consideration, he hasn't exactly been on a first team level for us. I agree that we don't have anyone to replace him, but that is some other topic.

The same goes for Oscar, he has been good only for a few games, but overall he also wasn't on a first team level.

I'll repeat myself again, I know it's their first season here, but taking only their performances into account, it wasn't that good.

I think Hazard could be great for us starting from the next season, and Oscar in maybe 2-3 years time.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Stop trying to improve? How do you come up with this stuff mate? What on earth makes you suggest he doesn't try to improve?

Well if he is not criticized and benched when he under-performs how on earth is going to improve?

You should praise him for his very decent first season in the premier league, not because his name is Hazard, instead of being overly critical for no obvious reason at all.

I do praise him. I just said in that very post you quoted that I like Eden. It's just that every little criticism, even when it is completely valid, triggers some kind of defense mechanism in some members here.

Yes he's had a decent season so far, but that means that there are lots of areas still that needs improving. He is Chelsea player, we as fans have a right to point out his errors.

Mata hasn't played that well for a few games now, a few more quiet games and he's ready for the bench amirite?

Yes he should be benched if his dip in form continues. But I am more reluctant to call for Mata to be benched is that even off form, he still offer a lot. Take the last game against stoke, I didn't think Juan had a particularly good game, but he still ended up with 2 assists and a hand full of key passes. Can't say the same about Eden.

[Weckerz 3,781]

My arguement started with LDN blues statement that he isnt the player we (as in chelsea fans) were made to believe, that he hasnt made the impact people expected. I was genuinly wondering what he meant by it. I still haven't got an answer.

I'm not defending Hazard for the sake of defending Hazard.

The way you're quoting me is entirely out of context.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

My arguement started with LDN blues statement that he isnt the player we (as in chelsea fans) were made to believe, that he hasnt made the impact people expected. I was genuinly wondering what he meant by it. I still haven't got an answer.

I'm not defending Hazard for the sake of defending Hazard.

The way you're quoting me is entirely out of context.

How is it out of context? You made a few points regrading a post I made in response to you and I answered to each point alone. I did not remove, change or add anything to your post. How am I taking it out of context?

[Weckerz 3,781]

Nevermind.

[Xtraxion 100]

I think it's important to reflect on the fact why he was not performing well. Is it just because of him? Not in good form? Not willing to improve? I don't think so.

Those games where he was not performing well are those where the whole team wasn't performing well or our tactics/formation just didn't work. Most of the times.

Sometimes I had the feeling he didn't get the ball enough. He made runs but nobody noticed them.

You just have to use this player properly, he isn't a 100% natural winger like Bale. That's why I think playing MAZACAR (with Hazard and Oscar -both not wingers sensu stricto- on the wings) doesn't work (yet).

Don't shoot me if I'm wrong. Just tell me (keeping these last pages in mind ).

[LDN Blue 7,903]

JT, Frank, Petr, Juan, Brano. yes i think.

This isn't the thread for it but..

• John Terry need financial assurances to stop him going from Manchester City
• Juan Mata will probably have Valencia in his heart as he started off with them.
• Frank Lampard was on the verge of Inter Milan not too long ago.
• Cech and Ivanovic's resolve hasn't been tested yet.

[Waterfall 893]

Mata only joined Valencia when he was 19 and left 4 years later with just one trophy. One would think Chelsea is arguably already the more important football club for him as this is where he won the CL.

[Henrique 9,133]

Well before this all got a bit.. out of hand ( ), Henrique did have a point. Not expressed all too well, but Hazard isn't the player that we were made to believe. Well, he hasn't grown into that player, I think everyone can agree on that.

In his last 2 games he's shown a bit more of what he was supposedly doing for game-upon-game in France. I've actually been pleased to see that before this Rafa was benching Hazard and limiting his time, because he wasn't making the impact he should be making at present. The trio of Oscar, Hazard & Mata sounds great in a FIFA 13 game, but they can't play together yet.. They haven't matured.

Hazard is showing flashes off what we've been promised, but as of now, he's still a player that needs to show a bit more or be benched.

Finally someone who is not blind about Hazard at all. If Hazard is so good as people think, perhaps we would be in Champions League right now, and at the top of PL table. Perhaps because in Brazil we have a lot of players that can dribble 3 or 4 player in a row, I'm not impressed about that at all, and I know that it takes a train to be a really great footballer.

As I said before, Hazard is a good player, no doubt about it, but not as good as his price tag and wages suggest. In fact these guys running Chelsea dont have a clue about football. Neymar perhaps is the only u21 player worth more than 25m english pounds, but Chelsea is now paying a lot of money for these young players, and you cant even criticize them, because someone will say: he is only 21 years old. Ok, tomorrow the club will pay 35m for a 10 years old boy, and some forum member will say: lets wait 15 years to see if he is worth that money.

The most annoying argument is: "the guy is only 21". Dont expect me to judge him as a young prospect, when his price tag suggest he is already one of the 15 best players in the world.

ps: I really hope some of those crazy fans will stay away now, because we are discussing serious subjects.

[Henrique 9,133]

Big players have all been young talented kids once. They got better because there were people who trusted and believed in them. By playing and trusting the stars get born, there is no other way...

The truth is: Falcao, Zidane, Messi, Ronaldinho at his peak, Cristiano Ronaldo and other great players were a bargain, or were bought when they were just kids and for a bargain as well, then they became great players. What does it means: you dont pay that kind of money for "potential", or because you see a "young talended kid".

When you see a player like Hazard, you dont even know where he will be 5 years from now. Manchester United paid little money for Javier Hernandez, perhaps he is no as good looking as Hazard, perhaps he cant dribble as the belgian, but you cant deny the mexican reallly made an impact in PL, and to be honest I rather have a bargain like Hernandez, than an expensive luxury like Hazard.

[DoubleO 192]

When you see a player like Hazard, you dont even know where he will be 5 years from now. Manchester United paid little money for Javier Hernandez, perhaps he is no as good looking as Hazard, perhaps he cant dribble as the belgian, but you cant deny the mexican reallly made an impact in PL, and to be honest I rather have a bargain like Hernandez, than an expensive luxury like Hazard.

You must be kidding me. Comparing Eden Hazard to Javier Hernandez is a joke. Hernandez is nothing, he's the worst striker at United.