David Luiz

[Mouri_Matic 560]

^^^^Because Cahill WAS SIGNED FOR ALMOST NOTHING and his expectations aren't high, no one believe he was EVER WORLD CLASS. While Luis is one of the best CB in the world according to many people on here, so of course he would be under more pressure to perform. And your comments about supporting Arsenal/Liverpool, typical blue tinted glasses supporters who refuse to look anywhere beyond your own team.

So Arsenal/Liverpool is just ahead of us on points and goal differences by pure luck? There is credit where it is due and criticism when needed, not just 1 or the other only.

[Jype 6,398]

^^^^Because Cahill WAS SIGNED FOR ALMOST NOTHING and his expectations aren't high, no one believe he was EVER WORLD CLASS. While Luis is one of the best CB in the world according to many people on here, so of course he would be under more pressure to perform. And your comments about supporting Arsenal/Liverpool, typical blue tinted glasses supporters who refuse to look anywhere beyond your own team.

So Arsenal/Liverpool is just ahead of us on points and goal differences by pure luck? There is credit where it is due and criticism when needed, not just 1 or the other only.

Fuck, ignore not working on Tapatalk so I'm being forced to continue reading your posts.

I wasn't taking anything away from Arsenal and Liverpool, they've done just as well as us this season in the Premier League but not much more to be completely honest. And aren't you forgetting that both of them are already out of the League Cup, Arsenal finished runners up in their CL group and Liverpool were shit enough not to have any European football to begin with?

The way you've been going on about these teams could fool someone into believing they're both better than Barca of 09 and according to you we have zero chance of finishing above them unless we sack Mourinho on the spot and spend 200m on new players in January. Is that really your idea of 'fair criticism'?

[Tomo 21,733]

Don't bother replying, you just became the third member ever I've placed on the ignore list.

My list is up to 9. I only ever had 1 up until last month.

[Mouri_Matic 560]

Fuck, ignore not working on Tapatalk so I'm being forced to continue reading your posts.

I wasn't taking anything away from Arsenal and Liverpool, they've done just as well as us this season in the Premier League but not much more to be completely honest. And aren't you forgetting that both of them are already out of the League Cup, Arsenal finished runners up in their CL group and Liverpool were shit enough not to have any European football to begin with?

The way you've been going on about these teams could fool someone into believing they're both better than Barca of 09 and according to you we have zero chance of finishing above them unless we sack Mourinho on the spot and spend 200m on new players in January. Is that really your idea of 'fair criticism'?

LOL what where did I say we need to sack Mourinho? I am saying Roman might decide to do it IF WE DON'T WIN ANYTHING this season. Like I said, most of the criticism coming Jose's way is because of the way we had been playing for the last few weeks, which had been terrible. If he wins at Arsenal next week, then of course the praises can come his way, but atm he really hasn't done much to warrant praises.

You are forgetting they played MU and ourselves to go out, not some Championship team or something. And Arsenal 2nd in their GROUP OF DEATH, which if was us do you really think we could even make it out there? They could have even top their group if not for their last game fucked up at Napoli. And Liverpool is entirely different now compare to last season, where they could lose to Aston Villa at home. Comparison is so unfair for them.

If we play blistering free goal scoring football like we did in 09-10 or for a period of last season, NO ONE WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING. But you are happy with barely grinding out victories against Sunderland, Crystal Palace, Southampton? And tolerate losses like against Stokes and almost to West Brom.

[Barbara 15,149]

My list is up to 9. I only ever had 1 up until last month.

Don't bother replying, you just became the third member ever I've placed on the ignore list.

My tolerance must be terrible because I have nearly 20 in mine. When I identify a pattern, I just move people there. They'll annoy me, I'll be tempted to answer back to nonsense, so to avoid all that, I just put them there.

As for David Luiz criticism and expectation, potential and whats not.

I think he IS a great CB and he still has some aspects he needs to improve. People talk about him being 26 as if he's done and can't improve. He can, I'm not sure if he will, but he can.

The kind of defending he provides to Brazil and the kind he provided to us most of last season is nearly flawless. He'll make mistakes as any CB will, otherwise most matches around the world would end 0x0.

If Chelsea paid 3x for him than they paid for Cahill, it's their problem. We all know Portuguese teams capitalize a lot with their signings, so basically any player coming from them will be overpriced.

The fact is now we have a team like Barcelona willing to pay 30m for him. Go see if anyone will ever pay even 10m for Cahill. Are they all that much delusional? Are they all that stupid to invest on potential and not reality? Barça has a problem RIGHT NOW in their defense. They aren't looking for potential, but for an immediate impact and the second name in their list was Luiz (Silva being the first).

The problem about Luiz's mistakes being talked much more than others' is because normally they aren't subtle. Cahill failed in many goals we've conceded this season, but none of them was as bad as that lazy ball Luiz passed to Cech that led to a goal (honestly can't remember if it was Norwich or Cardiff because my memory sucks). So because his errors are messes normally it's easier to criticize it rather than the guy that has mediocre technique, watches opponents all the time, is slow and can't for the life of himself get an offside trap well done, although he does try them quite often and many times can't reach the opponent because he's slow. Not to say the eventual positioning mistake and how awfully passive is his defending. So it's easy to criticize the guy that makes ONE huge mistake that leads to one goal, rather than the guy that makes many of them, leading to many clear chances to opposition and goals. I'm not saying Luiz was responsible only for one goal, but normally his mistakes are that bizarre whereas Cahill's are there almost every match... but JT, Iva, Cech make up for him and we don't concede much, although we do concede because of him too.

As a Brazilian I'm happy with the CB playing for my NT, if English people are happy with Cahill on their defense too, then let's all be happy to have both playing for Chelsea, right?

[didierforever 7,349]

Yeah all those crazies who prefer the 30m-rated and sougth-after player over the 7m no one wants.

People of course can have their own personal preferences, but consider that you may actually be the crazy ones.

what i love is that the same people who just a week ago were critisizing GC ohn his technique (or rather lack of it) are now giving excusses like DL is the 30mil defender... goes on to show exactly how bad DL has been... and how crazy people actually are... but yes u should keep loving him since his worth is 30mil in the market, while he keeps performing like a 2 mil defender.

[didierforever 7,349]

that ugly cunt you posted is better than cahill

in all honesty, he is equal to luiz too and the way he has been improving he will be better than DL too by the next season...

[The Skipper 20,593]

He was okay last season, but how many of those games came in a DM role? What we need from him is consistency. That's what sets the top defenders apart from the 'lesser' ones.

Luiz barely had any good games at DM last year, maybe 3 or 4 and they were all against weaker, sub standard opponents. He was consistent last season, especially for the last half. If you can't remember that then I can't help you, sorry.

Luiz was IMO after Mata and Hazard our 3rd best and most consistent player. He had tons of good games at CB last season.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

^^^^Because Cahill WAS SIGNED FOR ALMOST NOTHING and his expectations aren't high, no one believe he was EVER WORLD CLASS. While Luis is one of the best CB in the world according to many people on here, so of course he would be under more pressure to perform. And your comments about supporting Arsenal/Liverpool, typical blue tinted glasses supporters who refuse to look anywhere beyond your own team.

So Arsenal/Liverpool is just ahead of us on points and goal differences by pure luck? There is credit where it is due and criticism when needed, not just 1 or the other only.

This is the most retarded arguement you could EVER use.

So basically you are saying that because Cahill was cheaper than Luiz we should keep Cahill even though Luiz is better?

And HAHAHAHAHA that you mention the table and goal differance. How many games did Luiz start this season? Or more importantly, the last 6 games?

You are the definition of clueless.

[The only place to be 11,313]

This is the most retarded arguement you could EVER use.

So basically you are saying that because Cahill was cheaper than Luiz we should keep Cahill even though Luiz is better?

And HAHAHAHAHA that you mention the table and goal differance. How many games did Luiz start this season? Or more importantly, the last 6 games?

You are the definition of clueless.

Can you stop using the word retarded. It's not that it's offensive, it's just incredibly fucking boring reading it in every one of your insult-laden posts.

We judge players by what they're capable of. Cahill is a far more limited defender than Luiz but he tends to maximise his potential ability in most games.

David Luiz is one of the most gifted defenders in world football IN THEORY. He has tremendous physical tools, he has fantastic technique and is possibly one of the most complete footballers in the world relative to their position IN THEORY. The knock on him is that he doesn't play to his limits in enough games and that seems to be a mental thing. To be that main guy, that rock like Terry or Kompany then you need to give 100% in every game and Luiz doesn't do that.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

He was brilliant last season lol... I can name so many matches he was horrible, please don't let his goals against Basel, Fulham to overcloud your true judgment of him.

I Guarantee i could name far more games where Luiz was brilliant compared to the few where he was poor! Your clearly one of those people who think the world is going to end when Luiz makes a mistake!

Last season Luiz had spells where he was world class at CB game after game for weeks then he could make a mistake and people like you would start crying and be like 'he cant defend' ect while conveniently forgetting how good he had been in previous weeks!

your probably also the type of person who when you see the likes of Kompany, Vidic, T.Silva, Dante, Ramos, Puyol ect make mistakes you probably see it as an uncharacteristic mistake when in actual fact Luiz doesn't make much more mistakes then any of those guys!

[The only place to be 11,313]

your probably also the type of person who when you see the likes of Kompany, Vidic, T.Silva, Dante, Ramos, Puyol ect make mistakes you probably see it as an uncharacteristic mistake when in actual fact Luiz doesn't make much more mistakes then any of those guys!

I wouldn't include Ramos or Dante in that list to be honest. Players like Kompany, Vidic, Silva and Puyol always seem to give 100% for the cause and when a player makes a mistake whilst doing that, it's easier to forgive them.

Luiz's mistakes come from brainfarts. That's a lot harder for supporters to overlook because it can come off as not caring (look at the Cardiff performance for one of the most disrespectful performances I've seen in a long time).

[Reddish-Blue 2,355]

Can you stop using the word retarded. It's not that it's offensive, it's just incredibly fucking boring reading it in every one of your insult-laden posts.

We judge players by what they're capable of. Cahill is a far more limited defender than Luiz but he tends to maximise his potential ability in most games.

David Luiz is one of the most gifted defenders in world football IN THEORY. He has tremendous physical tools, he has fantastic technique and is possibly one of the most complete footballers in the world relative to their position IN THEORY. The knock on him is that he doesn't play to his limits in enough games and that seems to be a mental thing. To be that main guy, that rock like Terry or Kompany then you need to give 100% in every game and Luiz doesn't do that.

I don't think it's a mental thing...he just seems underappreciated at Chelsea.

Luiz goes through a rough patch of form..and you'd think he's the worst defender to ever play for Chelsea...after reading some of the comments on this thread

If you put Luiz on a team with a decent midfield, capable of retaining posession, you'll see him shine.

[Special Juan 27,439]

I don't think it's a mental thing...he just seems underappreciated at Chelsea.

Luiz goes through a rough patch of form..and you'd think he's the worst defender to ever play for Chelsea...after reading some of the comments on this thread

If you put Luiz on a team with a decent midfield, capable of retaining posession, you'll see him shine.

Unappreciated is a weak term to use, he isn't unappreciated at all he's a super player but does things that make you say "What the fuck is he doing"

What has him or anyone making errors got to do with the midfield?

[The only place to be 11,313]

I don't think it's a mental thing...he just seems underappreciated at Chelsea.

Luiz goes through a rough patch of form..and you'd think he's the worst defender to ever play for Chelsea...after reading some of the comments on this thread

If you put Luiz on a team with a decent midfield, capable of retaining posession, you'll see him shine.

Form is one thing. This season he's been dropped twice and not unjustly.

My problem is his level of commitment, especially in what he might consider 'smaller games'. I don't think he's underappreciated either, I just think Chelsea fans expect defenders to give their all in every game and not throw in boneheaded mistakes.

It's not a media myth either. When he does something stupid like he did for Mutch's goal, the reaction isn't one of surprise but exasperation.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I wouldn't include Ramos or Dante in that list to be honest. Players like Kompany, Vidic, Silva and Puyol always seem to give 100% for the cause and when a player makes a mistake whilst doing that, it's easier to forgive them.

Luiz's mistakes come from brainfarts. That's a lot harder for supporters to overlook because it can come off as not caring (look at the Cardiff performance for one of the most disrespectful performances I've seen in a long time).

I dont know how you can say Luiz doesn't give 100%! Maybe you can question some performances this season but every game he has played for the club apart from a few this season i have always felt he has given everything! It wasn't long ago when people were saying Luiz can be our future captain!

[YouNameIt 1,511]

Can you stop using the word retarded. It's not that it's offensive, it's just incredibly fucking boring reading it in every one of your insult-laden posts.

We judge players by what they're capable of. Cahill is a far more limited defender than Luiz but he tends to maximise his potential ability in most games.

David Luiz is one of the most gifted defenders in world football IN THEORY. He has tremendous physical tools, he has fantastic technique and is possibly one of the most complete footballers in the world relative to their position IN THEORY. The knock on him is that he doesn't play to his limits in enough games and that seems to be a mental thing. To be that main guy, that rock like Terry or Kompany then you need to give 100% in every game and Luiz doesn't do that.

1. "Tends to maximise his potential ability" - Has to be the most non-grappable thing Ive ever read. Doesnt mean anything and you base that on nothing.

2. "A mental thing" - What are you referring to? Are you a pshycologist? Do you know David Luiz?

3. "Doesnt give 100% every game" - What the HELL do you know about this? If there is ANYONE that puts their heart out there, who really fights for the team, Luiz is one of them.

Last, but not least, when Luiz plays we have more pace in the defense, he makes better interceptions, he offers more and better passing which speeds up our counter and buildup play.

You guys know nothing of what the situation with Luiz is. We sure knew what kind of defender he was and is. Maybe we're after that? Maybe Chelsea and Mourinho likes the way he plays because it offers some unpredictablity and versatility in our defense?

Oh and also, which is something many people forget: There is no I in team.

VERY rarely is there one player to blame for a loss or goal conceded. You remember the Luiz/Cech incident? What do we know about that? Was it something Cech said? Something Luiz said? Something none of them didnt say or did say? Also during a counter or when we're defending, its not only the CB's or more specifically Luiz who is to blame if something goes wrong. There is SO MUCH MORE at play.

[The only place to be 11,313]

I dont know how you can say Luiz doesn't give 100%! Maybe you can question some performances this season but every game he has played for the club apart from a few this season i have always felt he has given everything! It wasn't long ago when people were saying Luiz can be our future captain!

I watch the Cardiff game and see a guy who looked like having to play this team was beneath him, but it doesn't cost the guy who has brought his kid on the train to the match, got him a burger and been dragged around the club shop any less. Then I see him shirk a challenge away to Newcastle in front of fans who have travelled hundreds of miles to support the club.

You don't make the class clown captain. To me, Luiz is the guy you put next to the rock of your defence.