David Luiz

[Viper22 2,418]

But the point is our these players actually available. Vidal and pogba are the engines and the heart and soul of juve.

Gundogan has a serious injury.

Kroos is just screwimg around for more money and I have no doubt he ll sign a new contract.

Witsel is 40mil + cos he wwas bought for that. Simply don't see a viable option Unless we are willing to splash some heavy cash. I feel a striker will be the main priority this season.

Gundogan can come back from this injury I reckon. Fortunately for him he's still young enough that he's got a chance of getting over it. Kroos I agree with you, but Pogba AND Vidal could not be both held on to by Juve. If we bid big (like with £30-£35M from the Luiz sale) for either I reckon we'd get them. I personally prefer Pogba because he's younger and in my opinion better than Vidal.

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But the point is our these players actually available. Vidal and pogba are the engines and the heart and soul of juve.

Gundogan has a serious injury.

Kroos is just screwimg around for more money and I have no doubt he ll sign a new contract.

Witsel is 40mil + cos he wwas bought for that. Simply don't see a viable option Unless we are willing to splash some heavy cash. I feel a striker will be the main priority this season.

Vidal and Pogba could be a possibility as Serie A is such a weak league now, if they are ambitious then maybe a move here would interest them, but either way i think its worth us spending big on a world class CM and ST as that would make us one of the top 3 teams on the planet!

[yuvala 2,167]

You just make me laugh...

Laugh all you want, fact is he's a CB and not a top class one ATM, no matter how much "potential" he's got or how much of a good footballer he is.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

I drove without a seatbelt today and I didn't crash and seriously injure myself!!!

There's obviously no need for this seatbelt, so why should I ever wear it again?

Really? Has to be the most ignorant comparison Ive ever heared.

If that kind of thinking could be applied to Luiz' so called "recklessness" and the rather few incidents which COULD HAVE cost us something, then you could just draw the same conclusion from every other player.

Laugh all you want, fact is he's a CB and not a top class one ATM, no matter how much "potential" he's got or how much of a good footballer he is.

Just because Cahill+JT is better, it doesnt make Luiz less good.

Yes he's a top CB and he's also versitile and is a really good DM.

[The only place to be 11,313]

If that kind of thinking could be applied to Luiz' so called "recklessness" and the rather few incidents which COULD HAVE cost us something, then you could just draw the same conclusion from every other player.

Well his failure to track Anichebe did cost us two points against West Brom. If he'd actually marked him then he probably wouldn't have scored and we'd probably have two more points....but yeah, what's two points matter??

Here's the thing about Luiz....Mourinho simply doesn't trust him. He avoids playing him as a defender because he's already had to drop him twice this season and I seem to recall pointing out a couple of weeks back that in the space of about 3 months he was chosen as a CB only a couple of times.

In theory he's a great defender, but he's just not one for us. Great hair though.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

As for David Luiz, he is a very valuable and marketable player. Worth far too much for how much we are using him. I would keep Dave because he has been a good member of the team but for what he's worth its not the right move. The ideal replacement would be Varane at a competitive price (and a midfielder to replace his small but vital role in the midfield).

As for how much I've been hearing about Gundogan, Kroos, Pogba or vidal... give it a break. Those are the kind of transfer our club made in the past, these rash expensive tastes always come back to bite us in the end. Pogba, Vidal and Gundogan are great fits but each have a list of reason they won't work from club loyalty to injuries to the ridiculous cost and contracts needed to get them. I'm very reluctantant to put any player on 250k/week wages and these players like Kroos, Vidal and Pogba will be asking for from the 'rich londond club'. Pogba might not be a bad idea to invest in but I don't think we have the leverage our competitors have. Watch as Vidal gets minced by a player who is his contemporary and who costs 1/3 of his salary.

[Viper22 2,418]

Really? Has to be the most ignorant comparison Ive ever heared.

If that kind of thinking could be applied to Luiz' so called "recklessness" and the rather few incidents which COULD HAVE cost us something, then you could just draw the same conclusion from every other player.

Just because Cahill+JT is better, it doesnt make Luiz less good.

Yes he's a top CB and he's also versitile and is a really good DM.

Not really. Was an answer to you saying that because nothing bad has come of his lack of ability to concentrate (although it has, but other people have already covered that) and suggesting that because nothing bad had happened so far that we should all just ignore it. A perfect analogy then, if a bit strong.

Luiz is not a top CB. Cahill is better and he's not a top CB either. You even admit that yourself. Hummels, Kompany, Silva, Ramos, Pique, Terry and Chiellini are the only players who can be classed as top CB's. He is a decent DM, yes, but if we get £30-35M from the sale of him then we could reinvest that back into Gundogan (if he gets over his injury) or Pogba. they're both far better midfielders than Luiz and although yes he's a useful utility player i'd much rather have an out and out quality DM/CM.

[yuvala 2,167]

Just because Cahill+JT is better, it doesnt make Luiz less good.

Yes he's a top CB and he's also versitile and is a really good DM.

Yea, but because we look shaky in defense everytime he plays CB - that's right there shows he is less good.

I'm sure he has the potential to be a top CB and maybe he'll even present some amazing defending in the WC (I sure hope so). But right now for us he isn't 'it'.

He's a good DM but that's not his position and we already have Matic there to do the defending. No point in a Luiz-Matic pivot IMO. Only if we want to go really defensive.

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Well his failure to track Anichebe did cost us two points against West Brom. If he'd actually marked him then he probably wouldn't have scored and we'd probably have two more points....but yeah, what's two points matter??

Same as last game against Fulham where John Terry let Dempsey head the ball inside the box. Victor's play and movement was actually a lot better than Dempsey's who was mostly static. These types of "errors" take place all the time otherwise there wouldn't be goals.

If DL had made the same mistake the announcers would've been all over him. That's why I think he should leave ASAP.

[BloodIsBlue 291]

He's a good DM but that's not his position and we already have Matic there to do the defending. No point in a Luiz-Matic pivot IMO. Only if we want to go really defensive.

You may as well start calling for Mourinho's head because there is no such thing as really defensive on one of his teams. That other player in the pivot has to be a fairly good defender there's no two ways about this (at least with the current system).

[The only place to be 11,313]

Same as last game against Fulham where John Terry let Dempsey head the ball inside the box. Victor's play and movement was actually a lot better than Dempsey's who was mostly static. These types of "errors" take place all the time otherwise there wouldn't be goals.

If DL had made the same mistake the announcers would've been all over him. That's why I think he should leave ASAP.

If you want to bring up a mistake made by another defender in response to ones made by Luiz then I'm happy to do that. Of course it's a little easier for me, I mean Luiz made two in the game before that against Newcastle letting De Jong get away from in the box and also playing Newcastle onside.

But if you think he should leave because those nasty commentators keep picking on him then that's fine. I want him to leave to but that's because he's not a good enough defender to represent Chelsea Football Club. But what an Instagram account.

Luiz is not a top CB.

Exactly. If he was, he'd be playing for us week in and week out regardless of Cahill's form.

But if anyone disagrees then that's fine....they can also have a guess at how many more times Luiz will play CB in a Chelsea shirt. I'll set the over/under at 2.5 games.

[bushman 2,043]

If Barca pays 32m for Luiz, let him go. Money received, money allocated for a striker.

[didierforever 7,349]

Vidal and Pogba could be a possibility as Serie A is such a weak league now, if they are ambitious then maybe a move here would interest them, but either way i think its worth us spending big on a world class CM and ST as that would make us one of the top 3 teams on the planet!

Mqybe pogba but can't see someone like vidal doing that. Seems like a old lady fan thru and thru. Would be shocked if he accepted the move.

I feel striker and a LB are a priority. We definitely need a good proper LB even rhough azpi's been phenomenol. As for CMs. Someone like kroos would ve pwrfect alongside matic but rambo n luiz are no pushovers too

[Rmpr 8,977]

There was a period last year that I honestly thought David Luiz would grow to become one of the best defenders on Earth. However, as the time went by he not only didnt progress, but he actually regressed A LOT. Today, Luiz is more of a liability than anything else!

He doesnt seem focused, it is very weird. He walks on the pitch like his actions have no consequence. He is not even half the player he was under Benitez (not that its Jose's fault). I doubt he will ever become a starter again!

We still have Zouma, Kalas, Ake, etc., so I would sell him to Barcelona for 25mi without even thinking twice. We would be getting our money back and Spanish football fits him perfectly, a great deal for both parts.

I still believe he can become the player we all want him to be; the problem is that I dont believe he will do it here at Chelsea...

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If you want to bring up a mistake made by another defender in response to ones made by Luiz then I'm happy to do that. Of course it's a little easier for me, I mean Luiz made two in the game before that against Newcastle letting De Jong get away from in the box and also playing Newcastle onside.

What you define as a mistake is very different than what I define as one. At the end of the day, each player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Victor's was not a mistake the same way Dempsey's header wasn't one either. You call them mistakes and I disagree.

The better teams I've seen play the game realize it's impossible to stop the truly great players - who you eventually have to face if to win anything of importance. BTW, mediocre players CAN have great moments, just not as often. So, they've realized that the only way to stop a Messi or a Ronaldo is to keep the football away from them. It is to anticipate and pressurize them so that they don't have time to think and no time on the ball. Our defense does exactly the opposite - very Jose.

But if you think he should leave because those nasty commentators keep picking on him then that's fine. I want him to leave to but that's because he's not a good enough defender to represent Chelsea Football Club. But what an Instagram account.

Yes he's a terrible defender according to the same pundits, because he can do no right. We should let him go for free... no wait... apparently we are waiting for the "right offer" in the 30 million... kinda steep for a bad defender.

Exactly. If he was, he'd be playing for us week in and week out regardless of Cahill's form.

Right because every club in the world plays exactly the same way. That's why other clubs are lining up offers for Cahill

But if anyone disagrees then that's fine....they can also have a guess at how many more times Luiz will play CB in a Chelsea shirt. I'll set the over/under at 2.5 games.

Since we are guessing stuff now, how do you think he's going to do if and when he moves to Barcelona?! Would their style of play maybe, just maybe, suite his own style a bit better than Jose's? Same as DL did better for Chelsea under different conditions and management?

Does anyone remember Terry and Cahill playing a very high defense line under AVB?! I do.

My money is that he's going to be massive for Barcelona, which is the reason I wouldn't sell him to them. Offer him to PSG for example or even Bayern who seem to have shown interest as well (such a bad defender).

Ppl here say JT and Cahill are the best CB pairing in Europe and I couldn't disagree more. There was a recent article talking about why RM's pairing is the best in the world and I have to agree. Our CBs can only play one way: very deep. RM's can play deep and high up the pitch that allows them to switch styles during a match with the same players without losing anything.

To the insane poster below me, it is you who have to do the convincing, of why top clubs want to acquire such a bad player as you describe him.

[lionsden 4,689]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

I see some posters are still trying to convince themselves that Luiz is a good (nevermind great) defender. then again some people still believe Torres is a great striker. so not surprising.

The Luiz I am watching right now for brazil is definitely a great defender. Whether or not he's the same person playing for Chelsea is a different matter all together lol.

[The only place to be 11,313]

What you define as a mistake is very different than what I define as one. At the end of the day, each player has his own strengths and weaknesses. Victor's was not a mistake the same way Dempsey's header wasn't one either. You call them mistakes and I disagree.

A failure to track a runner is a mistake. Doing it in crunch situations like the 87th minute is a massive mistake.

The better teams I've seen play the game realize it's impossible to stop the truly great players - who you eventually have to face if to win anything of importance. BTW, mediocre players CAN have great moments, just not as often. So, they've realized that the only way to stop a Messi or a Ronaldo is to keep the football away from them. It is to anticipate and pressurize them so that they don't have time to think and no time on the ball. Our defense does exactly the opposite - very Jose.

It was a very simple run by a very average player. We're talking about Victor fucking Anichebe here

Yes he's a terrible defender according to the same pundits, because he can do no right. We should let him go for free... no wait... apparently we are waiting for the "right offer" in the 30 million... kinda steep for a bad defender.

We don't need to sell him, and Barcelona need a defender. If you hadn't noticed there aren't many world class defenders available so even certain players who can't get in the first team are fairly expensive - same went for Mata. Price isn't dependent solely on the quality of the player in question (a basic error you keep on making) but on the supply of similar players.

Right because every club in the world plays exactly the same way. That's why other clubs are lining up offers for Cahill

Another ridiculous point that you keep on making and should probably stop. No offers have been made for John Terry. No offers have been reported for Messi in the last couple of years either.

Do you know why? Because the club who owns the player has to be a willing seller. We wouldn't sell Cahill for a fee that wasn't extortionate but we would sell Luiz. Understand?

Since we are guessing stuff now, how do you think he's going to do if and when he moves to Barcelona?! Would their style of play maybe, just maybe, suite his own style a bit better than Jose's? Same as DL did better for Chelsea under different conditions and management?

Does anyone remember Terry and Cahill playing a very high defense line under AVB?! I do.

My money is that he's going to be massive for Barcelona, which is the reason I wouldn't sell him to them. Offer him to PSG for example or even Bayern who seem to have shown interest as well (such a bad defender).

Ppl here say JT and Cahill are the best CB pairing in Europe and I couldn't disagree more. There was a recent article talking about why RM's pairing is the best in the world and I have to agree. Our CBs can only play one way: very deep. RM's can play deep and high up the pitch that allows them to switch styles during a match with the same players without losing anything.

To the insane poster below me, it is you who have to do the convincing, of why top clubs want to acquire such a bad player as you describe him.

I think he'll be a fine player for Barca....and I'd love to see him in the starting line-up against us because I wouldn't put it past him to fuck up under pressure.

I've also not seen anyone here say Cahill and Terry were the best CB pairing in Europe - am I misremembering or are you lying?

Either way they're the best pairing in this league and they're the best pairing in our club....long may they continue. :blue scalf: :blue scalf: