termninja 5,290 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 @Sh0n3x, I don't deny the quality he has, he's very agile for his size. And you're spot on about his awareness to leave to others what he cannot do by himselfHe would be a good squad player for Chelsea, a rotation player... for the amount of money we paid for Meireles. When I hear things such as 25m, 30m, my only words are bitch please...Our beloved Villas Boas can deserve credit for one thing, during the interesting pre-season (from a tactical point of view), he asked Mikel to be available higher on the pitch. Against Kitchee he was a target on every set pieces.I'm not doing any comparison with Fellaini there but the Mikel detractors should remind that Mikel as the anchor is one of the Mikels available in Mikel lolDue to his formation as an attacking midfielder, that's clear that he could hold another roles. Being a target could be one, his ball retention is excellent and he wins aerial challenges as well. His use of the ball is always wise (crap, I though he only passed backwards) and I think it could be the same in the last tier of the pitchYou went in the Mikel comparison so I will respondYes, Mikel is a big lad and could be used as anchor man but when I watch him play he just doesn't impose himself physically like Fellaini, Tiote or Yaya Toure do for example. Instead, he looks to me like he is guarding some space around and waiting for someone else to go and do the dirty work. I don't rate his jumping that much also, with his strength and height I would expect more. It's not a big surprise that he still hasn't scored for us minus 2 goals in FA Cup quite some time ago. I am not impressed with his forward thinking and play also, while as you've seen Fellaini just tortured Manchester United playing basically as a striker Marouane is obviously not worth 25,30 mills and I never mentioned any massive money figures. In fact, here, a part of one of my posts hereIf we do sign Fellaini for something reasonable - 12m max then it would be a good transfer in my eyes...Besides, I'm pretty sure that if he came here, somebody would leave so we would get a part of the money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 We were sort of linked him in July, but the answer to your question would be the second one.He is not better player than Mikel definitely, I'm not sure about Oriol and his condition at the moment but I think when he is at his best he is also better than Fellaini.Yes, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 We're OK Mikel's defensive abilies are still underrated in my eyes. Fans love a player who'll make dirty tackles etc... but from a technical point of view, you don't rate a defending player by the amount of times he goes on ground for the simple reason that he becomes then a man down. A good defender (everywhere on the pitch) defends standing because the more he's intelligent, the more he reads the play. The less he is (footballistically), the more he waits for the player to challenge him body vs bodyOne of my griefs on Fellaini actually. If offensively he reads the trajectories to manage to be where the ball falls (like Drogba, Dempsey etc...) ; defensively he over relies on man on man challenges. He's not explosive, rather slow ; that explains it. He's a good defender on the man, not a good defender overally36 tackles and 83% success. Yes that's just figures but it illustrates the "Mikel doesn' go on ground very often but when he does it's successful"http://www.eplindex....-obi-mikel.htmlI was reading a great ITW of Xabi Alonso the other day, he said he didn't consider tackling as an attribute but rather as the last opportunity when you cannot manage to regain the ball standing.Well now, it's down to our personal taste on what kind of defensive midfielder we prefer, but if you want to put stats in, Fellaini won the most tackles after Cabaye in the previous season and had most successful passes in the Everton squad. He also consistently covers more ground then his teammates and he is just an ideal player to torture someone in the opposition team like Kagawa and Silva and like Yaya Toure did to Mata when we played City.On the other hand, I've seen quite a bit of situations in the last couple of seasons where Mikel should have been running like crazy to tackle and stop a dangerous opposition attack but instead he chose to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 We're OK Mikel's defensive abilies are still underrated in my eyes. Fans love a player who'll make dirty tackles etc... but from a technical point of view, you don't rate a defending player by the amount of times he goes on ground for the simple reason that he becomes then a man down. A good defender (everywhere on the pitch) defends standing because the more he's intelligent, the more he reads the play. The less he is (footballistically), the more he waits for the player to challenge him body vs bodyOne of my griefs on Fellaini actually. If offensively he reads the trajectories to manage to be where the ball falls (like Drogba, Dempsey etc...) ; defensively he over relies on man on man challenges. He's not explosive, rather slow ; that explains it. He's a good defender on the man, not a good defender overally36 tackles and 83% success. Yes that's just figures but it illustrates the "Mikel doesn' go on ground very often but when he does it's successful"http://www.eplindex.com/16829/chelsea-forget-john-obi-mikel.htmlI was reading a great ITW of Xabi Alonso the other day, he said he didn't consider tackling as an attribute but rather as the last opportunity when you cannot manage to regain the ball standing.When you say goes to ground, you mean sliding tackles right? But tackle succes rates are about both standing tackles and sliding tackles. Mikel is a awful sliding tackler tbh. His timing is just all wrong. But he hardly does sliding tackles so his tackle succes rate almost solely include standing tackles.Mikel does get too much stick most of time imo but he does need to improve his defensive play. When watching Carrick last season at Utd or Lucas at Liverpool in '10/11 for example, you can't help but wish you had a DM like that in your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Right so after one good game Fellaini seems to be the answer to all of our problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,573 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Right so after one good game Fellaini seems to be the answer to all of our problems.He was good the last year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-in-me-Veins 4,067 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Right so after one good game Fellaini seems to be the answer to all of our problems.i knew everton won becuz his tranfer thread was active when i got home hahaha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 He was good the last year too.I know, he's a good player, doesn't mean he's the answer to the pivot though. Placing him there would nullify him a lot IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Everton bought him for £16 million so you guys can guess how much he will cost. In my mind he will cost at the vet least £21 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson 358 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Never been a big fan but tonight he was sublime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise 45 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think Mikel is decent defensively, of course his mobility and speed could be better, but he makes good interceptions and he shields the ball well. His problem is that Lampard bombs forward and leaves him isolated. We need our two midfielders to stay at the base and protect. Lampard doesn't seem to understand that and it WILL cost us against good teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F. 1,484 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 How could we know who is Luiz, who Fellaini on the pitch if we sign him, fuuuck me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouNameIt 1,511 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Would rather have Yaya Toure even thou it would never happen....Seriousley? That cunt? I wouldnt want him in Chelsea even if we'd get him for free... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_swaggin_96 96 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Seriousley? That cunt? I wouldnt want him in Chelsea even if we'd get him for free...you have to admit tho his difference in that city team winning or losing! he bosses that midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YouNameIt 1,511 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 you have to admit tho his difference in that city team winning or losing!he bosses that midfieldMight be. Balotelli is another player that is very good, but that I would never want in CHelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slb1989 8 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 with all the hype after the goal against united i doubt everton will let him go for cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 Bump.http://www1.skysport...ason-at-EvertonSign him up. That's virtually a transfer request. 25 million, and that'll be a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 He's a mediocre footballer, just a tough defender (not all round for all that) and mighty target man. He's often horrible with his feet, cannot make 15+ yards passes etc... For £25m it would be a complete madness.We need a bully, a thug in midfield. So what if he has no technique? He has more positional discipline than Lampard or Ramires.Everton bought him for 16m and they won't sell him below 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted September 9, 2012 Share Posted September 9, 2012 I rate him but I don't think he is worth 25million. We could see him here though now when Essien and Meireles have left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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